9 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Boris has a tame parrot - pieces of eight pieces of eight

Read the thing before you get too excited.

3 hours ago, cmarshall said:

If Corbyn were smart he would allow someone like Ken Clarke or Caroline Lucas to take the PM job while the ministries that have to do with providing services would go to Labour.  Then, the Labour ministers can reverse the effects of Tory austerity and earn some credibility with the anti-establishment voters who voted Leave.  Then carry out a referendum with Labour campaigning to remain and put an end to the Brexit nightmare.

 

But is Corbyn smart?

And then blame the resulting UK bankruptcy on the Tories or Greens! Smart!

16 hours ago, cmarshall said:

If Corbyn were smart he would allow someone like Ken Clarke or Caroline Lucas to take the PM job while the ministries that have to do with providing services would go to Labour.  Then, the Labour ministers can reverse the effects of Tory austerity and earn some credibility with the anti-establishment voters who voted Leave.  Then carry out a referendum with Labour campaigning to remain and put an end to the Brexit nightmare.

 

But is Corbyn smart?

Good point. My biggest concern with Corbyn has always been that he has no guile. He can be duplicitous as he was when he neutralized the Labour campaign during the referendum, but that was all plotted out for him by Milne and Co. Ken Clarke or Caroline Lucas would be fine, but maybe Margaret Becket would be a better sop to LP if JC doesn't get the top job. Nicola Sturgeon has slightly overplayed her hand, or is she being canny. The SNP say only that JC should be given first shot, she may expect him to fail to get enough support. She would be wise not to alienate Swinson though in these very dangerous times. If they do manage to get a working alternative to Boris then (Given McLusky etc are totally ignored) Boris's goose is cooked, and Brexit will probably soon be history. 

On 9/29/2019 at 10:26 AM, Loiner said:

It wasn't a deal it was a capitulation. It wasn't made with the government, but Theresa the appeaser and her cabal. 

There was nothing honest about it, made in some secret EU backroom while the official negotiating team had the rug pulled from underneath them. May brought it back from her chummy meetings with Angela.

Remainer cheating and trickery.

It's obvious that many Remainers are federast europhiles, who hate the UK. Some of these emanate from Scotland and Northern Ireland and would back anything they thought would break up the Union. Let's get Brexit sorted and Leave properly, after that I'd be a little sorry to see the Union go, but more than happy to ditch the ones who want to break it up.

"federast europhiles": Brexiteer nastiness on display.

2 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Good point. My biggest concern with Corbyn has always been that he has no guile. He can be duplicitous as he was when he neutralized the Labour campaign during the referendum, but that was all plotted out for him by Milne and Co. Ken Clarke or Caroline Lucas would be fine, but maybe Margaret Becket would be a better sop to LP if JC doesn't get the top job. Nicola Sturgeon has slightly overplayed her hand, or is she being canny. The SNP say only that JC should be given first shot, she may expect him to fail to get enough support. She would be wise not to alienate Swinson though in these very dangerous times. If they do manage to get a working alternative to Boris then (Given McLusky etc are totally ignored) Boris's goose is cooked, and Brexit will probably soon be history. 

Right now the caravan has moved on a little. Corbyn has just had a meeting with other leaders of the opposition and they have agreed there will be no atttempted vote of no confidence in Boris until no-deal is off the table. Excellent. Stand by for more Hard Brexiteers throwing a fit.

4 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Right now the caravan has moved on a little. Corbyn has just had a meeting with other leaders of the opposition and they have agreed there will be no atttempted vote of no confidence in Boris until no-deal is off the table. Excellent. Stand by for more Hard Brexiteers throwing a fit.

The only ones I see throwing a fit here are those from the remain camp who are still smarting at the 2016 vote result...????

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 9/29/2019 at 6:49 PM, Loiner said:

 

So we’re all agreed that Project Fear is a pack of lies?

We owe them nowt.

 

 

The lie was Cummings and his politician mouthpieces calling every argument against leaving 'Project Fear.' Glad you acknowledge that!

 

Having committed to paying certain monies before the referendum, the honourable thing to do is to honour that commitment. How can you expect anyone to commit to a trade deal with us when we are known for defaulting on our commitments?

 

Still, the amount can be reduced considerably if Farage and his fellow British MEPs forego their very generous pensions!

8 hours ago, transam said:

The only ones I see throwing a fit here are those from the remain camp who are still smarting at the 2016 vote result...????

 

The tide has turned, Boris has a "Majority" of -43 or more. Why on earth should remainers, be upset. Of course if Boris doesn't get out on the 31st, his hedge fund friends who have been shorting the £, will lose millions, and will be calling for blood. Maybe an Epstein fate awaits Boris, he is expendable, no wonder he looks worried. 

4 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

The lie was Cummings and his politician mouthpieces calling every argument against leaving 'Project Fear.' Glad you acknowledge that!

 

Having committed to paying certain monies before the referendum, the honourable thing to do is to honour that commitment. How can you expect anyone to commit to a trade deal with us when we are known for defaulting on our commitments?

 

Still, the amount can be reduced considerably if Farage and his fellow British MEPs forego their very generous pensions!

Well Cummings wasn't far off with that strategy was he? 

 

As far as the money goes, do you remember the initial EU claim of 100B? Then you talk of honour! What is actually fairly due is about 20B. Of course the longer this dance goes on then the more it will cost. 

 
The lie was Cummings and his politician mouthpieces calling every argument against leaving 'Project Fear.' Glad you acknowledge that!
 
Having committed to paying certain monies before the referendum, the honourable thing to do is to honour that commitment. How can you expect anyone to commit to a trade deal with us when we are known for defaulting on our commitments?
 
Still, the amount can be reduced considerably if Farage and his fellow British MEPs forego their very generous pensions!

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5 hours ago, nauseus said:

Well Cummings wasn't far off with that strategy was he? 

 What on Earth are you on about? He lied; as he did about a lot of things during the campaign.

 

5 hours ago, nauseus said:

As far as the money goes, do you remember the initial EU claim of 100B? Then you talk of honour! What is actually fairly due is about 20B. Of course the longer this dance goes on then the more it will cost. 

 

The EU never claimed 100 billion, be it Euros or Pounds. Some UK press commentators speculated that it may be this much, but that was neither confirmed nor denied by the EU and UK. 

 

See The EU "divorce bill"

14 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 What on Earth are you on about? He lied; as he did about a lot of things during the campaign.

 

 

The EU never claimed 100 billion, be it Euros or Pounds. Some UK press commentators speculated that it may be this much, but that was neither confirmed nor denied by the EU and UK. 

 

See The EU "divorce bill"

Your link has nothing to do with the initial claim.

11 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Your link has nothing to do with the initial claim.

 That's because there was no initial claim by the EU for anywhere near that amount; unless you can prove differently!

 

Edit; You've got at least 24 hours to try and find something, as I'm off now and wont be back until tomorrow evening at the earliest.

feel free to take your time

 

Some people in the know, know something Brexiteers do not...

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Conservative MEPs are advertising an internship in EU parliament. Start date? November 1

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/tory-meps-job-listing-in-brussels-after-november-1-1-6297959

 

 

On 9/30/2019 at 12:49 AM, Loiner said:

So we’re all agreed that Project Fear is a pack of lies?

Moment of truth - when project fear becomes project reality.

 

Japanese car maker Nissan will review its decision to build the Qashqai 4x4 in England if Britain leaves the EU without a deal, potentially leading to the closure of the Sunderland plant, the Financial Times reported.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-nissan-sunderland-factory-no-deal-future-a9128331.html

 

The pound tumbled more than half a per cent against the euro on Tuesday after Ireland vehemently rejected Boris Johnson’s latest Brexit plans for checks near the Irish border.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/pound-euro-exchange-rate-brexit-boris-johnson-gpb-irish-border-backstop-a9128291.html

 

Something to thank the Americans for.

 

The pound’s decline against the dollar could have been more precipitous were it not for more bad news for America’s economy.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/pound-euro-exchange-rate-brexit-boris-johnson-gpb-irish-border-backstop-a9128291.html

 

9 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 That's because there was no initial claim by the EU for anywhere near that amount; unless you can prove differently!

 

Edit; You've got at least 24 hours to try and find something, as I'm off now and wont be back until tomorrow evening at the earliest.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/03/david-davis-rejects-claim-of-100bn-brexit-divorce-bill

Are we there yet ?

8 hours ago, nauseus said:

This figure was reported near the start of all this exit talk. All the numbers at that time were unofficial but the links below also indicate that this 100 Billion figure did come from within the EU and it was even discussed in the European Parliament.

 

The figure, like all the other suggested ones, did come from within the EU; but as you, yourself, now admit; none of them were official figures put foreard into the negotiations.

 

Yes, as your first YouTube links shows, the figure of 100 billion euros was brought up on the European parliament by Stuart Agnew, a UKIP MEP. Very noticeable that the video does not show any discussion of nor any other MEPs response to his claim!

 

In the ITV video, Robert Preston does not say that the EU have demanded 100 billion Euros. Like the FT, like all the others who reported on this at the time; he said that he had heard from 'very reliable sources' that the French and German governments wanted this amount. Reliable sources; not official sources. French and German governments, not the EU.

 

As for your DW.com article; it mentions several suggested figures from several sources; none of them official demands.

 

8 hours ago, nauseus said:

It was Bruno Le Maire's first hopeful bid, backed by Verhofstadt, I think. So go fish in another pond.

Whatever Le Maire's and Verhofstadt's hopes may have been, like my hopes to win £160 million on the Euro lottery last night; it never happened.

 

I have no need to fish in any pond; you are the one desperately fishing for something to back up your original false remark!

On 10/1/2019 at 1:34 PM, nauseus said:

As far as the money goes, do you remember the initial EU claim of 100B?

 

2 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

The figure, like all the other suggested ones, did come from within the EU; but as you, yourself, now admit; none of them were official figures put foreard into the negotiations.

 

Yes, as your first YouTube links shows, the figure of 100 billion euros was brought up on the European parliament by Stuart Agnew, a UKIP MEP. Very noticeable that the video does not show any discussion of nor any other MEPs response to his claim!

 

In the ITV video, Robert Preston does not say that the EU have demanded 100 billion Euros. Like the FT, like all the others who reported on this at the time; he said that he had heard from 'very reliable sources' that the French and German governments wanted this amount. Reliable sources; not official sources. French and German governments, not the EU.

 

As for your DW.com article; it mentions several suggested figures from several sources; none of them official demands.

 

Whatever Le Maire's and Verhofstadt's hopes may have been, like my hopes to win £160 million on the Euro lottery last night; it never happened.

 

I have no need to fish in any pond; you are the one desperately fishing for something to back up your original false remark!

 

Well looking at the links, I don't think you can prove my original remark was necessarily false. If you can, go ahead. The 100B figure was first touted by an EU representative. 

Let's have No Deal for the laughs - 24 hr rolling news and the Trump impeachment will keep me glued to the telly. 

11 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

The figure, like all the other suggested ones, did come from within the EU; but as you, yourself, now admit; none of them were official figures put foreard into the negotiations.

 

Yes, as your first YouTube links shows, the figure of 100 billion euros was brought up on the European parliament by Stuart Agnew, a UKIP MEP. Very noticeable that the video does not show any discussion of nor any other MEPs response to his claim!

 

In the ITV video, Robert Preston does not say that the EU have demanded 100 billion Euros. Like the FT, like all the others who reported on this at the time; he said that he had heard from 'very reliable sources' that the French and German governments wanted this amount. Reliable sources; not official sources. French and German governments, not the EU.

 

As for your DW.com article; it mentions several suggested figures from several sources; none of them official demands.

 

Whatever Le Maire's and Verhofstadt's hopes may have been, like my hopes to win £160 million on the Euro lottery last night; it never happened.

 

I have no need to fish in any pond; you are the one desperately fishing for something to back up your original false remark!

 

No. I did not mention negotiations. You are spinning out of control again.

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Well looking at the links, I don't think you can prove my original remark was necessarily false. If you can, go ahead. The 100B figure was first touted by an EU representative. 

 The figure was not and never had been an official demand from the EU as part of the negotiations; as you, yourself, later admitted!

 

8 hours ago, nauseus said:

All the numbers at that time were unofficial

All the links you have provided to prove your original assertion come from reports of what people have said; none of them have come from the official EU negotiators.

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