Dutch Tourist Hurls Objects at Udon Thani Café Staff Over Change Dispute

[kingdong]

2 hours ago, John1012 said:

I hope the UK DOES NOT accept this false piece of NON Brexit legislation.

 

A layman’s summary of the EU’s new ‘UK colonisation treaty’ agreed by the PM

1. Parliament will not be sovereign - UK still to be governed by existing and new laws of the ECJ – a foreign court – and
with no say over these laws. [WA articles 4, 87, 89 and 127, PD para 131]

2. Demands payment of a sum to be decided by the EU - Minimum £39 billion but this is likely to increase and the
EU decides the final sum. This must be paid BEFORE any trade deal is agreed. [WA articles 138-144, and 152-155]

3. No trade deal with EU – Not included as this is just a divorce treaty. Any EU trade deal must ensure “a level playing field
for open and fair competition” and “deep regulatory and customs cooperation”. This will make it difficult for the UK to reduce
non-tariff barriers in trade deals with USA, Australia, China, etc. [PD paras 17 & 21]

4. Prevents independent tax policy - Political Declaration still obliges UK to adopt a future relationship which will impose
EU State Aid rules and “relevant tax matters” on the UK. EU specifically intends to curb UK’s ability to have “harmful tax
practices”. Withdrawal Treaty also applies EU law to UK during transition period - allowing EU to sue UK, including infringement
proceedings for as yet unidentified breaches of State Aid rules and billions in VAT on commodity derivative transactions dating
back to 1970s. [PD para 77, WA articles 86, 93, 127].

5. Restricts independent foreign policy - UK to be bound by international agreements concluded by the EU despite
having no influence in their negotiation during the transition period and must “refrain, during the transition period, from any
action... which is likely to be prejudicial” to the interests of the EU. [Articles 129(3) and (6)].

6. Prevents independent military action – UK permanently stopped from taking “any action likely to conflict with or
impede” EU’s foreign policies. Critical parts of section on foreign policy and security are not reciprocal, eg future relationship will
not “prejudice the decision-making autonomy of the EU” but no such language for UK – only permitted to “maintain the right
to determine how [to respond] to any invitation to participate in operations or missions”. Also, parties “agree to consider”
security collaboration in European Defence Agency, European Defence Fund, and PESCO “to the extent possible under [EU law]”
which is prescriptive (not permissive) obligation. Despite paying for European Defence Agency during transition, British troops in
EU battlegroups will not be led by British staff officers. [WA articles 129(6-7) and 156-157 and PD paras 99, 102(c)]

7. Controls UK fishing – Common Fisheries Policy continues in UK waters during transition (which can be extended) but UK
will have no say in implementation or enforcement. After transition, Political Declaration requires “cooperation on... regulation
of fisheries, in a non-discriminatory manner” - code for continuing current arrangements for EU access to UK waters. Any trade
deal to “ensure service providers and investors are treated in a non-discriminatory manner, including with regard to
establishment” - prevents UK protecting quotas from EU purchase. [PD paras 29 and 72]

8. Replaces one EU Commission with another - New body established with “powers equivalent to those of the
European Commission”. UK must accept exclusive jurisdiction of Arbitration Panel and judgments of ECJ. Grants EU officials
criminal immunity and exemption from UK tax. Imposes gagging order on UK which must keep all EU information confidential
but EU can use UK information as it sees fit. [WA articles 74, 101, 104-5, 106-116, 159, 168, 174]

9. Leaves UK with €500bn liabilities from EU Investment Bank but no profits - No rights to past and future
profits made from UK investment in EIB, no rights to UK share of assets of EIB, yet UK remaining liable for risk of up to €500bn of
guarantees. UK must let EU bid for UK public projects at least during transition. [WA articles 34, 75-78, 127, 143, 147, 150].

 

10. EU colonisation - makes UK bystander in laws that govern it - UK permitted to send civil servant to Brussels to observe
EU passing laws designed to disadvantage UK economy during transition which might last many years. EU could regulate
London’s huge foreign exchange markets, impose financial transaction tax that would be collected at UK expense by HMRC but
sent to foreign governments. [WA article 34]

Prepared by Brexit Facts4EU.Org with advice from a Brussels-based barrister

For more information: https://facts4eu.org/news/2019_oct_eu_treaty_for_uk_colonisation

that's not leaving with a deal that's a fiasco,a big thank you to Gina miller and all the remainers who made it possible.

[kingdong]

3 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

Boris working hard under the very difficult circumstances left to him by Cameron and May. Whining Brits should give him their full support.

What for that stitch up deal

[melvinmelvin]

1 hour ago, Thingamabob said:

You are kidding yourself. The only reason Labour and others do not want an election is that the Tories are going to win it. Grow up and get real.

 

 

that would be the icing on the cake,

if after all the mess the Tory party has continuosly created since the referendum.

they would win a snap GE

 

if so, I don't leave much hope for UK, a country which is unable to take and handle politics in a serious manner

 

at least a good thing Japan is not part of these negotiations,

doesn't have to deal with snap erections in weekly discussions

 

[billd766]

2 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Well the sad thing is to me it's a typical EU not wanting UK to leave they want the dosh. ???? 

 

I always liked ABBA back when they started and I still do nowadays.

Edited October 25, 2019 by billd766
added extra text

[joecoolfrog]

5 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

Boris working hard under the very difficult circumstances left to him by Cameron and May. Whining Brits should give him their full support.

Oh please , Boris has utilised May's deal almost in its entirety.

Its pathetic that she is vilified simply because she is perceived as a remainer.

She promised to deliver Brexit and tried her best to achieve that aim , she has also stoutly backed Boris when a lot off lesser souls might not have.

It must be wonderful to live in such a black and white world , leavers are good , remainers all bad.

Well I hate to burst your bubble but Boris is a Brexiter in name only , he sat on the fence for a long time ( remember the dual speeches ) and his final decision was based purely on his best chance of becoming PM.

Had Boris and his mates put country before ambition then May's deal would have gone through and we would not have suffered another 6 months of indecision.

I like Boris , he is far sharper than many think and uses the buffoon image to his advantage. However the idea of he being a hero , and May a villian , is worthy of little more than a suppressed guffaw.

[Kwasaki]

22 minutes ago, billd766 said:

I always liked ABBA back when they started and I still do nowadays.

Always liked Abba too, fell in luv with blondie, posters on the bedroom wall, the other lady didn't sing will go to London. ????

[3NUMBAS]

the torys are toast after 31 if they dont leave so bojo knows what will happen to him and corbyn ,all headed for early retirement and the scrap heap along with the other vipers and rats at westminster if they dont deliver on 31

[3NUMBAS]

1 hour ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

that would be the icing on the cake,

if after all the mess the Tory party has continuosly created since the referendum.

they would win a snap GE

 

if so, I don't leave much hope for UK, a country which is unable to take and handle politics in a serious manner

 

at least a good thing Japan is not part of these negotiations,

doesn't have to deal with snap erections in weekly discussions

 

only if they leave on time otherwise nigel farage bounces back big time as the <deleted> have been taking the  pi55 for 3 years

[brewsterbudgen]

I hope the UK DOES NOT accept this false piece of NON Brexit legislation.

 

A layman’s summary of the EU’s new ‘UK colonisation treaty’ agreed by the PM

 

1. Parliament will not be sovereign - UK still to be governed by existing and new laws of the ECJ – a foreign court – and

with no say over these laws. [WA articles 4, 87, 89 and 127, PD para 131]

 

2. Demands payment of a sum to be decided by the EU - Minimum £39 billion but this is likely to increase and the

EU decides the final sum. This must be paid BEFORE any trade deal is agreed. [WA articles 138-144, and 152-155]

 

3. No trade deal with EU – Not included as this is just a divorce treaty. Any EU trade deal must ensure “a level playing field

for open and fair competition” and “deep regulatory and customs cooperation”. This will make it difficult for the UK to reduce

non-tariff barriers in trade deals with USA, Australia, China, etc. [PD paras 17 & 21]

 

4. Prevents independent tax policy - Political Declaration still obliges UK to adopt a future relationship which will impose

EU State Aid rules and “relevant tax matters” on the UK. EU specifically intends to curb UK’s ability to have “harmful tax

practices”. Withdrawal Treaty also applies EU law to UK during transition period - allowing EU to sue UK, including infringement

proceedings for as yet unidentified breaches of State Aid rules and billions in VAT on commodity derivative transactions dating

back to 1970s. [PD para 77, WA articles 86, 93, 127].

 

5. Restricts independent foreign policy - UK to be bound by international agreements concluded by the EU despite

having no influence in their negotiation during the transition period and must “refrain, during the transition period, from any

action... which is likely to be prejudicial” to the interests of the EU. [Articles 129(3) and (6)].

 

6. Prevents independent military action – UK permanently stopped from taking “any action likely to conflict with or

impede” EU’s foreign policies. Critical parts of section on foreign policy and security are not reciprocal, eg future relationship will

not “prejudice the decision-making autonomy of the EU” but no such language for UK – only permitted to “maintain the right

to determine how [to respond] to any invitation to participate in operations or missions”. Also, parties “agree to consider”

security collaboration in European Defence Agency, European Defence Fund, and PESCO “to the extent possible under [EU law]”

which is prescriptive (not permissive) obligation. Despite paying for European Defence Agency during transition, British troops in

EU battlegroups will not be led by British staff officers. [WA articles 129(6-7) and 156-157 and PD paras 99, 102[emoji2398]]

 

7. Controls UK fishing – Common Fisheries Policy continues in UK waters during transition (which can be extended) but UK

will have no say in implementation or enforcement. After transition, Political Declaration requires “cooperation on... regulation

of fisheries, in a non-discriminatory manner” - code for continuing current arrangements for EU access to UK waters. Any trade

deal to “ensure service providers and investors are treated in a non-discriminatory manner, including with regard to

establishment” - prevents UK protecting quotas from EU purchase. [PD paras 29 and 72]

 

8. Replaces one EU Commission with another - New body established with “powers equivalent to those of the

European Commission”. UK must accept exclusive jurisdiction of Arbitration Panel and judgments of ECJ. Grants EU officials

criminal immunity and exemption from UK tax. Imposes gagging order on UK which must keep all EU information confidential

but EU can use UK information as it sees fit. [WA articles 74, 101, 104-5, 106-116, 159, 168, 174]

 

9. Leaves UK with €500bn liabilities from EU Investment Bank but no profits - No rights to past and future

profits made from UK investment in EIB, no rights to UK share of assets of EIB, yet UK remaining liable for risk of up to €500bn of

guarantees. UK must let EU bid for UK public projects at least during transition. [WA articles 34, 75-78, 127, 143, 147, 150].

 

10. EU colonisation - makes UK bystander in laws that govern it - UK permitted to send civil servant to Brussels to observe

EU passing laws designed to disadvantage UK economy during transition which might last many years. EU could regulate

London’s huge foreign exchange markets, impose financial transaction tax that would be collected at UK expense by HMRC but

sent to foreign governments. [WA article 34]

 

Prepared by Brexit Facts4EU.Org with advice from a Brussels-based barrister

 

For more information: https://facts4eu.org/news/2019_oct_eu_treaty_for_uk_colonisation

Yes. Revoke Article 50 is really the only sensible answer.

 

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[Proboscis]

11 hours ago, Bundooman said:

Could you define please, exactly why he should have to explain himself to you? The word 'out' is not a difficult word and furthermore, how is he supposed to know, 'please exactly' how the future will pan out - we Brits have always taken risks throughout our history and made all the difficult choices. We're masters at it. 

 

Let me spell it out for you. WE WANT OUT OF THE EU.

 

There. Exactly what he means by 'out'!

 

 

Well there is the question of how far out?

Out could mean out of the Single Market.

Out could also mean out of the Custom's Union.

Out could mean out of Single Market AND Custom's Union.

Out could mean out but with numerous conditionality and exemptions (eg the Boris Deal where Northern Ireland remains to some degree in the Single Market/Custom's Union)

Out could mean out numerous features, from Pharmacutical Standards to European Arrest Warrant.

Out could mean out of everything.

Out could mean no deal on anything but yet developing a Trade Deal with the EU theoretically sometime in the next few years but more realistically in the next decade.

Out could mean no Trade Deal with the EU for the future where the UK would face high tarrifs and huge paperwork, including visas . . . .

 

So, which version of "Out" are you actually referring to?