Thai Visa Denied in Cambodia

[marin]

19 hours ago, eg84 said:

entry early August to Thailand without visa because wanted get 30 days landing visa as needed go Singapore mid August for work

6 - left Thailand mid August

7 - re-entered Thailand 2 days later, same landing visa 

Did you go to Singapore and work for 2 days and return?  Good luck it looks like you must be living on a trust fund or something as it seems you dont work..

[yellowboat]

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19 hours ago, eg84 said:

Lately just been doing a lot of soul searching through traveling. Been enjoying Thailand and has been helping me figure out what I want to do next. 

Like find a job in a country near Thailand?  If you have more than a few Thai stamps, stay away from DMK.  If possible, get a one year Vietnam Visa.  It is an insurance policy if they try to deport you back to Canada.  I have to go back once or twice a year and I hate it.  Love the people and the work they do for us, but not the government shenanigans. 

[thecyclist]

Did you go through an agency or did you do it in person? 

Good Luck 

Let us know if you got through. 

[Caldera]

1 hour ago, EricTh said:

It's not arbitrary, that was the retirement age for most countries decades ago until they keep raising the age.

 

Now the retirement age is 60 for most countries.

 

Thailand might increase the age later, who knows.

Your numbers are way off, have a look at https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/pensionable-age-and-life-expectancy-1950-2050_5kghq6c6lwhg.pdf

 

It's also worth pointing out that the minimum age for a Thai "retirement visa" used to be 55, until they LOWERED it to 50.

 

Most people cannot retire at age 50, and being retired isn't actually a requirement for obtaining a Thai "retirement visa". That age limit is arbitrary and could be changed in any direction. All other things being equal (with regards to the other requirements an applicant needs to meet), why make age a factor at all?

[Ebumbu]

20 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Good luck. Keep forum updated. Make sure your cell is fully charged. Also money on you in case your denied entry.

And a few backup batteries. 

[jethro69]

Well, nothing heard back yet. So either they let him through or is rotting in the detention cell.

I didn't check that it was becoming so difficult in PNH, so that's off the list for the future. Did drop my application this morning, I don't really expect anything positive. Seems they just take the money and say <deleted> yourself. However I'm on a new Passport with "only" two exemt entries. Tuesday, I'll know.

[DJ54]

Hopefully you can convince them to let you settle you belongings.

If your lucky maybe they’ll give you 7 days. Advise you not to overstay because they will look for you and then it won’t be any fun. 

 

Good luck and if your intent to stay here long term get the right visa,...

[Mansell]

43 minutes ago, jethro69 said:

Well, nothing heard back yet. So either they let him through or is rotting in the detention cell.

I didn't check that it was becoming so difficult in PNH, so that's off the list for the future. Did drop my application this morning, I don't really expect anything positive. Seems they just take the money and say <deleted> yourself. However I'm on a new Passport with "only" two exemt entries. Tuesday, I'll know.

You need to read back a few pages....he got back in with no drama.

[The Theory]

22 hours ago, eg84 said:

Wish I found this forum sooner.

You are absolutely right then you could read that there are more stories day after day regarding denied entries. But of course “it won’t happen to me, happens to next person”. 

Edited October 25, 2019 by The Theory

[sead]

Well. You have been practically living here so this would  come soon. I think it's time to get a new passport, get elite visa if under 50. If over then put money in bank and enjoy retirement Visa. You  can also marry:))

[Sigma6]

22 hours ago, glegolo said:

Hell, that was A LOT of entries, dont you have a job to do in your homecountry,,,, or dont you like it more here in Thailand, so you must leave and come all the time, ants in the pants like we say..

 

glegolo

Ants in ya pants make ya belly button dance... or so I've heard

 

Not sure how it relates though...

[moldresistant]

22 hours ago, glegolo said:

Hell, that was A LOT of entries, dont you have a job to do in your homecountry,,,, or dont you like it more here in Thailand, so you must leave and come all the time, ants in the pants like we say..

 

glegolo

This replies sums up the attitude of most old forum posters here. News flash - many, many travelers you see around the world don't work jobs. Some of us are even smart enough to have investments that pay out. We're not all on the 9-5 until retire then have fun train.

[HLover]

4 minutes ago, moldresistant said:

This replies sums up the attitude of most old forum posters here. News flash - many, many travelers you see around the world don't work jobs. Some of us are even smart enough to have investments that pay out. We're not all on the 9-5 until retire then have fun train.

I agree as I am young and do not have any ants in my pants.

[madmen]

15 hours ago, Destiny1990 said:

My friends  most of them were spending well over an 100 k monthly. I wouldn’t call them poor or desperate.

Int School one child 30k monthly, House rental 28k monthly, car payment 12 k monthly, groceries parties, visas, insurances,  electricity etc 30k.

They left and not coming back either.

oh puleeze save that nonsense for newbie members. 

[Hackney35]

8 minutes ago, moldresistant said:

This replies sums up the attitude of most old forum posters here. News flash - many, many travelers you see around the world don't work jobs. Some of us are even smart enough to have investments that pay out. We're not all on the 9-5 until retire then have fun train.

Don’t let them wind you up. It’s largely just jealously. Some older people don’t always understand the premise of not working in a full time job.  
My old man is always nagging me to get a job ????

[CHiangMaiMuu]

My entry/exit record looks even worse. I came back to Thailand in January, this year, after having lived in Pattaya and Chiang Mai for most of 2009-2014 - having started out with a retirement visa. This time it was an impulsive decision to leave the U.S.A. and I came w/o a visa. 

So i started with a 30-day visa-exempt permit, extended it once for a month and flew to Vietnam - where I had been 50 years ago in the military -,  where I found the government surprisingly more accomodating to Farangs, and stayed there 3 months and came back to L.O.S. again without a visa and got another 30-day permit, walked over the line into Myanmar at Tachileck and got one more 30-day exemption....

I got a new U.S. passport in May and it shows the stamps where I entered the kingdom and left again in June, came back to Thailand again in July and got the 30-day permit again and the one at Tachilek in August.

I flew to Canada in Sept and back early this month and they stamped me with a 30-day with no questions.

So this passport shows my Vietnam visa of June and the stamps for June, July, August and Sept. 

My Departure Card has a date of 13 Oct stamped beside it.

 

I had thought I was under the limit of 30-day exemptions since there was one by land and two by air with once extension.

 

Now my plan is to make an extension in Oct at C.M. Immigration and then fly to DaNang (with an online application for a visa to Vietnam) in November and apply for a 3-month Tourist visa to Thailand over there.... I have been talking to the the language schools and martial arts school and they are sure they can get a one-year Ed visa for me when I bring my T.V. , around the end of 2019.

 

- My question is do I fall below the annual limit of 30-day visa exemptions - 2 by land and no limit by air was the last I heard?

Or will Immigration think that I am trying to stay in Thailand (which is true)?

-And, before that, will Immigration just look at the current passport entries and disregard my travels before May of this year, which are on their computer??

I am sure the answer to that is No!

-Can I expect the Thai embassy in Saigon to O.K. my T.V. in Nov? I will have my two bank books showing a few thousand dollars in American banks and showing my monthly disability allowance from the U.S. Veterans Administration.

-Will I need to have an onward flight booked out for the Thai Immigration at CNX when I get back in Dec? 

- again, is reasonable to think the Thai Immigration Officer will not stop me from entering the kingdom since it might look like I am trying to just stay in Thailand. ?

Sometime in 2020 the odds are I will get married and want to apply for that visa.

But that is not part of the equations right now.

 

Any advice or warnings will be appreciated.

Anyone who just wants to throw out insults and put-downs, please pass on to someone else - I don't need trash talk right now.

 

Thanks

 

I 

[peixotorms]

 

On 10/24/2019 at 7:34 PM, elviajero said:

Get a letter from your girlfriend giving the address you're staying at and explaining that your reason for frequent entries is to visit her. A copy of her ID with her phone number might also help. If you are questioned and immigration call her make sure she confirms, if asked, that you do not work in Thailand - even online.

This will make no difference.

Last time I went to Bangkok my girfriend went with me and even though she was there in person, the officer was extremely unpleasant and rude. Result, go back to where you came from.

 

 

On 10/24/2019 at 7:42 PM, eg84 said:

Wish I found this forum sooner. There's no direct flight to CNX from Phnom Penh. I found a flight that takes me through DMK to CNX. Already booked. Taking off in few hours ???????? I guess the worst they say is no and make me fly back or somewhere else. One can only try and plead with the immigration officer and hope he has a heart to let me back for a short stay to pack my belongings. Settle my affairs. Wish me luck

What's going to happen is that the officer will tell you that the computer says you have to be sent to the boss. Boss, if the same as mine last time, will send you back escorted with a letter for the immigration at the destination country.

You only get your passport back in Phnom Penh by local immigration officer, after some mild grilling abut why you were denied.

 

When I was sent back to Malaysia in August, they asked me why I was sent back, gave me the letter from thai immigration, stamped my passport and said "Oh well! Welcome to Malaysia!"... 

 

And now my gf mom thinks I must be a drug dealer because I was denied entry to Thailand (funny).

Those dirty farang... keep good one in (locals, rich chinese and now indians), bad ones out... any farang sokapok that thinks we are a colony if they think can come here on tourist visas lah.

Edited October 25, 2019 by peixotorms

[elviajero]

4 minutes ago, peixotorms said:

This will make no difference.

Last time I went to Bangkok my girfriend went with me and even though she was there in person, the officer was extremely unpleasant and rude. Result, go back to where you came from.

It can and it might. It’s worked for others.

[peixotorms]

1 hour ago, CHiangMaiMuu said:

My entry/exit record looks even worse. I came back to Thailand in January, this year, after having lived in Pattaya and Chiang Mai for most of 2009-2014 - having started out with a retirement visa. This time it was an impulsive decision to leave the U.S.A. and I came w/o a visa. 

So i started with a 30-day visa-exempt permit, extended it once for a month and flew to Vietnam - where I had been 50 years ago in the military -,  where I found the government surprisingly more accomodating to Farangs, and stayed there 3 months and came back to L.O.S. again without a visa and got another 30-day permit, walked over the line into Myanmar at Tachileck and got one more 30-day exemption....

I got a new U.S. passport in May and it shows the stamps where I entered the kingdom and left again in June, came back to Thailand again in July and got the 30-day permit again and the one at Tachilek in August.

I flew to Canada in Sept and back early this month and they stamped me with a 30-day with no questions.

So this passport shows my Vietnam visa of June and the stamps for June, July, August and Sept. 

My Departure Card has a date of 13 Oct stamped beside it.

 

I had thought I was under the limit of 30-day exemptions since there was one by land and two by air with once extension.

 

Now my plan is to make an extension in Oct at C.M. Immigration and then fly to DaNang (with an online application for a visa to Vietnam) in November and apply for a 3-month Tourist visa to Thailand over there.... I have been talking to the the language schools and martial arts school and they are sure they can get a one-year Ed visa for me when I bring my T.V. , around the end of 2019.

 

- My question is do I fall below the annual limit of 30-day visa exemptions - 2 by land and no limit by air was the last I heard?

Or will Immigration think that I am trying to stay in Thailand (which is true)?

-And, before that, will Immigration just look at the current passport entries and disregard my travels before May of this year, which are on their computer??

I am sure the answer to that is No!

-Can I expect the Thai embassy in Saigon to O.K. my T.V. in Nov? I will have my two bank books showing a few thousand dollars in American banks and showing my monthly disability allowance from the U.S. Veterans Administration.

-Will I need to have an onward flight booked out for the Thai Immigration at CNX when I get back in Dec? 

- again, is reasonable to think the Thai Immigration Officer will not stop me from entering the kingdom since it might look like I am trying to just stay in Thailand. ?

Sometime in 2020 the odds are I will get married and want to apply for that visa.

But that is not part of the equations right now.

 

Any advice or warnings will be appreciated.

Anyone who just wants to throw out insults and put-downs, please pass on to someone else - I don't need trash talk right now.

 

Thanks

 

I 

 

They won't ignore your previous entries even if they were more than 1 year ago.

They just see a big list on the computer, so you must be up to no good on tourist visas.

 

If you show a lot of money and pension, they will tell you to get a retirement visa.

Thai embassies in vietnam have been refusing ED visas as well... but like everything, it depends on your luck.

 

Thats the thing I hate most about thailand... is that you are playing lottery every time, even if you have all documents.

 

 

 

 

[peixotorms]

14 minutes ago, elviajero said:

It can and it might. It’s worked for others.

More than to bring your girlfriend in person and let her do the talk?

 

The letter helps in getting the SETV in the embassy, but not for entry.

But like anything, it depends on the officer.

 

One boss lady wanted to deny me entry previously but was interested in listening to my situation.

In the end asked me to buy her some snack (I gave her some cookies from Japan) and it was all smiles and stamp.

 

The other lady boss didn't even bother to listen. Quick remarks in succession without any pause to explain anything.

Why you here? You bring gf huh? Doesn't matter, cause you are soooo going back.

Have money mai? Mi mai mi? How much? OK, but you stay too long, mai dai.

Pai go back to your country or where you came from.

You there, take him to airasia... walks away.

 

Proceeds to grill my gf that I cannot come on tourist visa ever again.

walks away without listening to any reasonable explanation.

 

We are definitely not begpackers and neither we look criminals.

It doesn't matter how many letters from gf you bring... it may work if you are lucky and they are in a good mood.

But better have it than not having it always.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 25, 2019 by peixotorms

[baansgr]

15 hours ago, Ron jeremy said:

Perhaps get a proper visa or live in another country 

2 options 

What is a proper visa for an unmarried under 50 year old not working in Thailand? Don't say Elite as that is a 5 year game plan

[EricTh]

13 hours ago, CHiangMaiMuu said:

My entry/exit record looks even worse. I came back to Thailand in January, this year, after having lived in Pattaya and Chiang Mai for most of 2009-2014 - having started out with a retirement visa. This time it was an impulsive decision to leave the U.S.A. and I came w/o a visa. 

 

You have been lucky so far but those days of visa/border runners seem to be over judging by the number of denied entries reported here since July 2019.

 

 

[EricTh]

12 hours ago, baansgr said:

What is a proper visa for an unmarried under 50 year old not working in Thailand? Don't say Elite as that is a 5 year game plan

A proper visa is education visa (learn Thai), work visa, elite visa or marriage visa for under 50 years old.

 

If you can't get any of these, you should look at other countries instead.

 

I am sure that Mexicans or latin Americans can't stay long term in USA on a tourist visa alone. The same goes with any other countries.

Edited October 26, 2019 by EricTh

[eg84]

Apparently my post here drawn the attention of the immigration police. I got added on Line, by a DMK police investigator and was told they made a mistake when stamping me in. Should be 30 days, not 60 days, as my visa is indeed invalid.

 

Inquiring how they came to discover the visa issue, she mentioned someone informed them of this post. Good to know!

 

I also inquired about the situation between foreigners who come for longer time on tourism and she mentioned we're only allowed to stay 180 days out of the year. Apparently their main concern seems to surround foreigners that come here on Tourist visas and find jobs to support themselves.

 

So there we have it. One sour individual must not of liked the result of this thread and reported me in. Be warned and aware, what you post here will likely be reported by sour individuals. Like that guy who specifically asked for a picture of the actual stamp with the immigration officers unique code????????

 

Enjoy your weekend everyone. See you next year or whenever. Might as well work on that elite visa because even as a tourist enjoys traveling across Thailand, it seems having a tourist visa as a tourist is a no no ???? catch 22

[BritManToo]

2 minutes ago, eg84 said:

So there we have it. One sour individual must not of liked the result of this thread and reported me in.

You posted your real name on an anonymous forum?

[eg84]

22 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

You posted your real name on an anonymous forum?

Nope. Apparently after someone reported me from here, they investigated the date posted, fly from Cambodia and mention of Don Muang airport, to find me. Everything happens for a reason so let's see where the universe brings us ????

[sanemax]

4 minutes ago, eg84 said:

Nope. Apparently after someone reported me from here, they investigated the date posted, fly from Cambodia and mention of Don Muang airport, to find me. Everything happens for a reason so let's see where the universe brings us ????

Immigration officers  do also read this forum as well 

[Don Chance]

I like Cambodia better than Thailand so take it as sign from the travel GOD's. You can easily get a six month visa a Cambodia and find a decent apartment in Kampot for $300 a month.

Better yet, get a 5 year visa for India and hit Goa or Kerala for 6 months. People are way nicer than either of the above countries and speak english and way more fun. Nicer beaches, better food etc. Airasia has conectting flight all over India from PP.

If you haven't figured it out yet 30 days visa is for tourist, once you live there in an apartment they want you to get a long term visa. Like i said take it as sign for the future...

[4evermaat]

12 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Immigration officers  do also read this forum as well 

Them and other officials with a need to know about foreign influence.  This has been going on for over a decade now.

[SteveK]

17 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Immigration officers  do also read this forum as well 

I see that as a good thing. If they know that people are making online reports about interactions with immigration officers, be they good or bad, then maybe they will be less likely to make up the rules as they go along or treat people poorly.

Edited October 27, 2019 by SteveK