BREAKING NEWS EU grants UK a Brexit extension until 31 January 2020

[DannyCarlton]

8 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

This 'deal' isn't the final word. It's just the basic framework agreement that allows the UK to leave. The details still have to be ironed out in the transition period that is already part and parcel of leaving the EU.

 

Whether we leave with a sweet deal, a bad deal or no deal, there was always going to be negotiations. The hard Brexit would mean starting from scratch whereas a good deal, soft Brexit or bad deal would mean there was already a framework and points of reference to work from or build on.

 

There was always going to be a period of detailed negotiations, a transition period if you must but the Remainers keep painting these successive bad deals as being 'it'. No more negotiations, a door slams shut and thus indiscernible from a hard Brexit. It's simply their panic-stricken campaign of disinformation running riot.

Basically true, but if agreement isn't reached by the end of the transition period, we go out on "no deal" terms. A win for Johnson and his backers and a massive loss for GB. Can you see the plan now?

[Chomper Higgot]

49 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The next General Election is way overdue. 

Not according to the law it’s not.

[nauseus]

20 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

This 'deal' isn't the final word. It's just the basic framework agreement that allows the UK to leave. The details still have to be ironed out in the transition period that is already agreed by both the UK and EU to be part and parcel of leaving the EU. There can never, ever be the prefect deal with all factions onboard and we've had almost 3 years of parliamentary obfuscation already. What there hasn't been so far is any willingness to compromise in Westminster and that mainly because both the Tories and Labour, through decades of existential angst and weak leadership, have far, far too much to lose if they end up getting it totally and horribly wrong. Either could end up in the political wilderness like the Lib Dems. They must be doing something very wrong if the Lib Dems suddenly have a discernible following and see themselves as a viable alternative despite their revoke article 50 and people's vote nonsense and the SNP shouting ever louder, "Freedommmmmmm!!!!!"

 

Whether we leave with a sweet deal, a bad deal or no deal, there was always going to be hard and complex negotiations. The hard Brexit would mean starting from scratch whereas a good deal, soft Brexit or bad deal would mean there was already a framework and points of reference to work from or build on. The hard work of Brexit hasn't even bloody started yet.

 

There was always going to be a period of detailed negotiations, a transition period if you must but the Remainers keep painting these successive bad deals as being 'it'. No more negotiations, a door slams shut and thus indiscernible from a hard Brexit. It's simply their panic-stricken campaign of disinformation running riot.

Unfortunately, under this (and May's) "agreement", the EU will control the iron and the UK will end up becoming a flattened, singed and steaming pair of Y-fronts. 

[nauseus]

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Not according to the law it’s not.

The fixed-term act does not alter the fact that it is needed now and it does not necessarily preclude an election anyway.

 

And while you're there, how about the explanation requested in my post 48?

[yodsak]

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

The fixed-term act does not alter the fact that it is needed now and it does not necessarily preclude an election anyway.

 

And while you're there, how about my explanation?

The fixed term act tells us the next election is due in 2022.

 

The next election is not ‘way over due’ it’s not even due yet.

 

Perhaps all the failed promised Brexit dates are causing you problems with what is and is not due.

[sammieuk1]

And I volunteer to dig it????

[NanLaew]

15 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Basically true, but if agreement isn't reached by the end of the transition period, we go out on "no deal" terms. A win for Johnson and his backers and a massive loss for GB. Can you see the plan now?

I see the successive rejection of deals with Bojo's one being roundly condemned by Corbyn, Swinson and Sturgeon as being even worse than any of May's previous efforts. Those were so bad, even the ERG voted them down. Then suddenly those darned pesky Labour rebels and the ERG roundly voted for Bojo's.

 

Labour and Corbyn is the fly in the ointment here. Vacillating, self-serving prevarication. Fiddling while London burns.

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The fixed term act tells us the next election is due in 2022.

 

The next election is not ‘way over due’ it’s not even due yet.

 

Perhaps all the failed promised Brexit dates are causing you problems with what is and is not due.

And perhaps, like Corbyn, you prefer just  to dodge the issue.

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, yodsak said:

Some amongst the Lib Dems seem eager to reestablish their party’s roll as prop to the Tories.

 

If they believe that is a good electoral strategy then they did not learn the lessons of their last sell out.

[NanLaew]

13 minutes ago, yodsak said:

Oh Bercow's gonna just LOVE that. Two Bills essentially the same? What was his 'reasoning' for disallowing Johnson reintroducing his bill for a meaningful yes/no vote last week? He said it would be "repetitive and disorderly"? Bercow said the “same question convention” is “a necessary rule to ensure the sensible use of the House’s time, and proper respect for the decisions that it takes”.

 

Either way, bring it on. I'm ready to cast my vote (again).

[yodsak]

We will know tomorrow.  Looking like a single line bill will pass.

[beautifulthailand99]

I wish to inform the House a PM was sent to the Right Honourable Member for Malagateddy reminding him of the agreement we freely entered into made at the blow up of the last Brexit extension. Despite being read shortly after being sent I have received no reply to date, so I have to possibly conclude his behaviour at this time may suggest that like our Great Liar-in-Chief Johnson this will be a broken pledge from a previously recalcitrant Leaver. I look forward to being wrong before the final date of 31st October. 

 

ENDS

[nauseus]

55 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

I wish to inform the House a PM was sent to the Right Honourable Member for Malagateddy reminding him of the agreement we freely entered into made at the blow up of the last Brexit extension. Despite being read shortly after being sent I have received no reply to date, so I have to possibly conclude his behaviour at this time may suggest that like our Great Liar-in-Chief Johnson this will be a broken pledge from a previously recalcitrant Leaver. I look forward to being wrong before the final date of 31st October. 

 

ENDS

You just don't look yourself!

[beautifulthailand99]

10 minutes ago, nauseus said:

You just don't look yourself!

With broken promises I may shortly have to announce my retirement from the Brexit threads. ????????

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

With broken promises I may shortly have to announce my retirement from the Brexit threads. ????????

Just don't dig a ditch with that thing!   

[kingdong]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Or so you tell us.

 

You,'ve answered a question with a question that states you had no answer.

[david555]

So tomorrow 4th attempt......a PM on a leash....5555

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/28/boris-johnson-third-attempt-general-election-fails

Boris Johnson fails in third attempt to call early general election

Prime minister falls short of two-thirds parliamentary majority required to call snap poll

 

more...

[melvinmelvin]

15 minutes ago, david555 said:

So tomorrow 4th attempt......a PM on a leash....5555

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/28/boris-johnson-third-attempt-general-election-fails

Boris Johnson fails in third attempt to call early general election

Prime minister falls short of two-thirds parliamentary majority required to call snap poll

 

more...

 

to sum up briefly, BJ is a failure as a Brexit pushing PM

 

how he performs with other political issues on the foggy islands I don't know

(could guess though)

 

Pommies: enjoy your PM while he is there

 

 

[DannyCarlton]

7 hours ago, NanLaew said:

I see the successive rejection of deals with Bojo's one being roundly condemned by Corbyn, Swinson and Sturgeon as being even worse than any of May's previous efforts. Those were so bad, even the ERG voted them down. Then suddenly those darned pesky Labour rebels and the ERG roundly voted for Bojo's.

 

Labour and Corbyn is the fly in the ointment here. Vacillating, self-serving prevarication. Fiddling while London burns.

You really don't see it do you? The opposition wanted the bill to pass to the next stage so they could attach a couple of amendments to it, remain in the CU and a confirmatory vote a.k.a. a people's vote. Why do you think Johnson is refusing to bring the bill back to the house? He needs a GE before the bill goes any further as he's assuming that he'll then have a majority in the house and any amendments wouldn't pass.

 

Once the bill passed, he would then play his silly games with the EU until the clock ran out on making an agreement on a trade deal with the EU and he would succeed in us crashing out with, what would effectively be, no deal, Johnson Cummings ultimate goal, always has been, always will be.

 

Self serving? Look no further than Johnson Cummings and their backers for that.

[webfact]

EU agrees Brexit delay as British parliament blocks December election

By William James, Kylie MacLellan and Elizabeth Piper

 

Britain's Prime Minister Boris Johnson speaks at the House of Commons in London, Britain, October 28, 2019, in this screen grab taken from video. Parliament TV via REUTERS

 

LONDON (Reuters) - The European Union agreed to a Brexit delay of up to three months on Monday, as Prime Minister Boris Johnson said he would push on with his bid to end Britain's political paralysis with an election on Dec. 12.

 

With the United Kingdom's scheduled Oct. 31 departure from the EU now virtually certain to be postponed, Brexit hangs in the balance, with British politicians still arguing over how, when or even whether the divorce should take place at all.

 

Johnson, who had loudly promised to deliver Brexit on Oct. 31, "do or die", has repeatedly demanded an election to end what he casts as a nightmare political deadlock that is sapping public trust by preventing any Brexit outcome at all.

 

Hours after the 27 countries remaining in the EU backed his reluctant request for a delay, Johnson attempted to force a snap election on Dec. 12 in the hope of finally winning a majority to pass the divorce deal he has negotiated with Brussels.

 

But his third attempt to call such an election gathered only 299 votes in parliament, short of the 424 - or two-thirds of the house - that he needed.

 

After the vote, Johnson said he would try again, by a legislative route that would only require a simple majority.

 

"We will not allow this paralysis to continue and, one way or another, we must proceed straight to an election," Johnson told parliament. "This House cannot any longer keep this country hostage."

 

To follow this route, Johnson will need the support of opposition parties such as the Scottish National Party (SNP) and the Liberal Democrats.

 

These have been pushing for a Dec. 9 election, aiming to ensure that Johnson cannot try again to rush his divorce deal through.

 

The BBC's political editor said Johnson's office had confirmed that the government would not bring the deal back to parliament - potentially opening the way for the SNP and LibDems to back a snap poll on Johnson's preferred date of Dec. 12.

 

DIVIDED KINGDOM

After almost four years of tortuous discussion, the United Kingdom remains divided over a divorce that removes what was once considered to be one of the West's most stable democracies from the European project.

 

While almost all British politicians agree that an election is needed, they want to inflict maximum political damage on Johnson - who leads in opinion polls - by preventing his last-minute deal from being ratified before the poll.

 

Johnson, in turn, is trying to shift the blame for failing to deliver Brexit by Oct. 31 onto parliament.

 

"We have a great new deal, and it's time for the voters to have a chance to pronounce on that deal, and to replace this dysfunctional parliament with a new parliament that can get Brexit done so the country can move on," Johnson said.

 

Britain's departure has already been delayed twice - from March 29 and April 12 - after Johnson's predecessor, Theresa May, failed three times to get her deal ratified by parliament.

 

In a letter to European Council President Donald Tusk, Johnson reluctantly accepted the delay agreed in Brussels, saying he had no choice under British law.

 

"This unwanted prolongation of the UK's membership of the EU is damaging to our democracy," he said.

 

"I would also urge EU member states to make clear that a further extension after 31st January is not possible. This is plenty of time to ratify our deal."

 

If no EU country objects within 24 hours - by Tuesday afternoon - the delay will have been formally adopted.

 

The EU, forged from the ruins of World War Two as a way to prevent another ruinous conflict in Europe, is fatigued by Britain's protracted crisis but keen not to be held responsible for an economically tumultuous "no-deal" rupture.

 

(Additional reporting by Kate Holton, Alistair Smout, Andrew MacAskill, Costas Pitas and Paul Sandle; Writing by Guy Faulconbridge; Editing by Mark Heinrich and Kevin Liffey)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-10-29

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[DannyCarlton]

5 minutes ago, webfact said:

"We have a great new deal, and it's time for the voters to have a chance to pronounce on that deal"

I'm sure that the fact that a peoples vote is the surest and simplest way of doing that, hasn't escaped him.

 

However, in a peoples vote, his deal or remain, a no deal Brexit is'nt on the cards. A disaster for him and his backers, so it ain't going to happen.....unless he's found dead in a ditch.

[Bruntoid]

9 hours ago, evadgib said:

A fair number of remainers now wish to leave.

Why is it not happening in the other direction?

Apart from an actual organisation of leavers who marched through London a couple of weeks ago saying it’s ok to change your mind waving EU flags ? 
 

Is there a remainer equivalent ? 
 

Where’s the evidence for your ‘fair number’ ? ????

[Bruntoid]

What happened to Zorrows daily countdown to No Deal Oct 31st ?? ????

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, Bruntoid said:

What happened to Zorrows daily countdown to No Deal Oct 31st ?? ????

Dead in a ditch.

[Bruntoid]

2 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Dead in a ditch.

Is Michael Goves “we have the means and ability to leave on Oct 31st” in there as well ? 
 

That ditch will soon be the size of a trench !! 

[DannyCarlton]

3 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:

Is Michael Goves “we have the means and ability to leave on Oct 31st” in there as well ? 
 

That ditch will soon be the size of a trench !! 

They will have an explanation.I'm sure that Cummings is writing the new script as we speak. Words with the maximum number of syllables. Look out for pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis in Mogg's next speech.

[kingdong]

9 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The fixed term act tells us the next election is due in 2022.

 

The next election is not ‘way over due’ it’s not even due yet.

 

Perhaps all the failed promised Brexit dates are causing you problems with what is and is not due.

The government has offered a general election and the remainer s keep bottling it,how many more times

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, DannyCarlton said:

I'm sure that the fact that a peoples vote is the surest and simplest way of doing that, hasn't escaped him.

 

However, in a peoples vote, his deal or remain, a no deal Brexit is'nt on the cards. A disaster for him and his backers, so it ain't going to happen.....unless he's found dead in a ditch.

Yes a " people's vote" shame the remainer s aren,t so keen on a general election.

[DannyCarlton]

5 minutes ago, kingdong said:

The government has offered a general election and the remainer s keep bottling it,how many more times

It's not about "bottling it". It's about waking up to Johnson Cummings' machiavellian games and out playing them at their own game. The opposition will call an election when the time is right for them, not Johnson Cummings.