3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/a-reminder-of-all-the-brexiteers-who-appeared-in-the-paradise-papers-as-eu-tax-avoidance-legislation-looms/03/09/

 

Of course you will now take the normal Brexit fundamentalist course of action and dismiss this as project fear.

At least throw one of your slogans in there. Brexit means Brexit or do or die or something like that just to add a little something to the debate ????

the Daily Mail reports that Labour’s London headquarters is rented from a tax-exempted property trust fund based in Jersey, and that Labour shadow chancellor John McDonnell receives a Westminster Council pension that is drawn from a fund managed by a Guernsey-based firm.

 

https://www.theweek.co.uk/paradise-papers/89578/paradise-papers-labour-councils-avoid-12m-in-uk-tax

4 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

the Daily Mail reports that Labour’s London headquarters is rented from a tax-exempted property trust fund based in Jersey, and that Labour shadow chancellor John McDonnell receives a Westminster Council pension that is drawn from a fund managed by a Guernsey-based firm.

 

https://www.theweek.co.uk/paradise-papers/89578/paradise-papers-labour-councils-avoid-12m-in-uk-tax

And your point is ? Farage will receive an EUSSR pension from the body he hates so much . McDonnell would have had no choice over his then employer pension scheme. 

37 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Susanna Reid & Co couldn't quite believe their ears...

probably because there's nothing between their ears.

8 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

And your point is ?

My point is both sides take advantage of tax loopholes. So it is silly to want to cancel Brexit or berate the leavers because someone may or may not have used tax havens, when Labours own headquarters is rented from shady entities in a tax haven. 

Hey Brexit Fan Boi's from your very own Daily Excess....

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1197306/General-Election-news-poll-polls-2019-vote-odds-Brexit-results-December-John-Curtice-UK

 

Polling Guru John Curtis has predicted a large win for non-Conservative and Labour with Boris facing another minority situation but with no coalition partners upon which to form a government.

This is because the Tories are no longer conservative and they no longer stand for Brexit.

5 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

probably because there's nothing between their ears.

Pot/kettle.....????.....................????

In this election there’s a clear choice. You can vote for the parties who <deleted> things up because they’re privileged embittered sadists, or parties who <deleted> things up because they mean well but can’t get their sh*t together.

37 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

the Daily Mail reports that Labour’s London headquarters is rented from a tax-exempted property trust fund based in Jersey, and that Labour shadow chancellor John McDonnell receives a Westminster Council pension that is drawn from a fund managed by a Guernsey-based firm.

 

https://www.theweek.co.uk/paradise-papers/89578/paradise-papers-labour-councils-avoid-12m-in-uk-tax

No slogan?

Just whataboutery?

Disappointing. 

9 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

I like their confidence in being able to break the deadlock. Another hung parliament is quite likely and then back to square one.

 

A GE is the least effective way of sorting Brexit out. Might as well toss a coin.

I have been saying the opposite.  My thinking was that with a GE you get the chance to get rid of this shower of imbeciles who are in government whereas with another referendum you may change the result but you are still left with the same mob in power.  And we all know they cannot be trusted to do the right thing.

 

But I think you are right, it would have been better to have a peoples vote first.  It would probably increase the vitriol in the short term but at least then the GE would be about the real issues and not heavily focussed on Brexit.  In which case, just maybe, the inevitable anger could be directed at the politicians rather than the voters.

1 minute ago, dunroaming said:

I have been saying the opposite.  My thinking was that with a GE you get the chance to get rid of this shower of imbeciles who are in government whereas with another referendum you may change the result but you are still left with the same mob in power.  And we all know they cannot be trusted to do the right thing.

 

But I think you are right, it would have been better to have a peoples vote first.  It would probably increase the vitriol in the short term but at least then the GE would be about the real issues and not heavily focussed on Brexit.  In which case, just maybe, the inevitable anger could be directed at the politicians rather than the voters.

Another spin post to stop Brexit.....Gawd...????........................????

1 minute ago, dunroaming said:

I have been saying the opposite.  My thinking was that with a GE you get the chance to get rid of this shower of imbeciles who are in government whereas with another referendum you may change the result but you are still left with the same mob in power.  And we all know they cannot be trusted to do the right thing.

 

But I think you are right, it would have been better to have a peoples vote first.  It would probably increase the vitriol in the short term but at least then the GE would be about the real issues and not heavily focussed on Brexit.  In which case, just maybe, the inevitable anger could be directed at the politicians rather than the voters.

Problem there. It'll be the same shower standing for re election.

 

On reflection, it probably would have been best to hold both ballots at the same time, one for the GE one for the people's vote. That way the outcome of one couldn't influence the other and it would have incurred only one trip to the polling booth.

17 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Problem there. It'll be the same shower standing for re election.

 

On reflection, it probably would have been best to hold both ballots at the same time, one for the GE one for the people's vote. That way the outcome of one couldn't influence the other and it would have incurred only one trip to the polling booth.

All together now ......

 

"We have that vote already and we voted to "LEAVE" done  from a red-faced,foaming spit-flecked mouth with an estuarine accent.

 

ETON (+ cap doffing class traitors) vs the PEOPLE 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_of_the_United_Kingdom_by_education

24 minutes ago, transam said:

Another spin post to stop Brexit.....Gawd...????........................????

couldn't resist STOP BREXIT

 

 

10 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

Would have made more sense to have the referendum 1st, get Brexit out of the way and then have a GE on the real issues. But ho hum.

W had a referendum and voted out! We are not Ire or Holland we're referendums are held until German's Europe gets the result it wants. British people are angry, very angry. We are a Nation not a state. Maybe sume on here who are from other countries with their smug remarks might just think how would they like: if American Canada or Mexico deciding their laws and deciding who is allowed into their country, not be allowed to stop murderers, rapists and criminals or being told they have to take in illegal immigrants, hand over your military and pay millions to a currupt mafia. Yep. 

5 minutes ago, Scot123 said:

W had a referendum and voted out! We are not Ire or Holland we're referendums are held until German's Europe gets the result it wants. British people are angry, very angry. We are a Nation not a state. Maybe sume on here who are from other countries with their smug remarks might just think how would they like: if American Canada or Mexico deciding their laws and deciding who is allowed into their country, not be allowed to stop murderers, rapists and criminals or being told they have to take in illegal immigrants, hand over your military and pay millions to a currupt mafia. Yep. 

Looks like you have exploded already. The actual date is tmrw. Calm down dear have a nice cup of English tea and stop reading rubbish on t'internets. Apologies to linking to an article containing a picture of that tub'o lard Mark Francois - especially if you are eating your breakfast. 

 

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/mark-francois-on-bbc-politics-live-1-6274443?jwsource=twi

3 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Aye, but there's not too many that see a loss as a win. Like DJT claiming the US troop pullout from Syria as some sort of glorious victory?

 

Awfy blue lookin' doon sooth, eh?

 

But what about those orange weirdos north of Conon Bridge? I would watch them like a hawk, they could be Norwegian separatists.

 

There is a fair bit of Ross and Cromarty north of the Conon, former stomping ground of the sadly departed Charlie Kennedy. The current SNP MP is great also. 

 

 

1 hour ago, dunroaming said:

I have been saying the opposite.  My thinking was that with a GE you get the chance to get rid of this shower of imbeciles who are in government whereas with another referendum you may change the result but you are still left with the same mob in power.  And we all know they cannot be trusted to do the right thing.

 

But I think you are right, it would have been better to have a peoples vote first.  It would probably increase the vitriol in the short term but at least then the GE would be about the real issues and not heavily focussed on Brexit.  In which case, just maybe, the inevitable anger could be directed at the politicians rather than the voters.

I agree

 

1 hour ago, DannyCarlton said:

Problem there. It'll be the same shower standing for re election.

 

On reflection, it probably would have been best to hold both ballots at the same time, one for the GE one for the people's vote. That way the outcome of one couldn't influence the other and it would have incurred only one trip to the polling booth.

I agree

 

Whatever the outcome people will claim it was all, or not all,  because of Brexit. More confusion, more bitterness, and more recrimination results. We are - to our world wide embarrassment- running our country like a bunch of total dick#heads (Or fan#ies if you prefer). 

 

In my dreams I see an election where both Johnson and Corbyn loose their seats, my joy would know no bounds. 

 

I did dream that the SNP won all the seats in England as well as Scotland, but on sober reflection I realized that was a bit far fetched!!

57 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

couldn't resist STOP BREXIT

 

 

Noooo, I could not watch your vid, I took one look at the bloke in the background and moved on...????

3 hours ago, blazes said:

Sorry, but you've omitted Plaid Cymru....

Oh, be fair, he mentioned a "circus throwing millions down the drain"!

8 minutes ago, transam said:

Noooo, I could not watch your vid, I took one look at the bloke in the background and moved on...????

I'm in  a generous mood today must be deluded hope here he is getting  his comeuppance.

 

https://order-order.com/2019/10/23/guido-met-steve-bray/

23 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

I agree

 

I agree

 

Whatever the outcome people will claim it was all, or not all,  because of Brexit. More confusion, more bitterness, and more recrimination results. We are - to our world wide embarrassment- running our country like a bunch of total dick#heads (Or fan#ies if you prefer). 

 

In my dreams I see an election where both Johnson and Corbyn loose their seats, my joy would know no bounds. 

 

I did dream that the SNP won all the seats in England as well as Scotland, but on sober reflection I realized that was a bit far fetched!!

Sounds to me you had bit of a nightmare, have you tried Horlicks before trying to sleep and keep off the cheese before bedtime.

1 hour ago, transam said:

Another spin post to stop Brexit.....Gawd...????........................????

It was a post in response to Danny's and just my opinion.  No spin on anything. There is an awful lot of paranoia about.

 

Anyway moving on.  Inevitably  people will vote in the GE for the party that they believe will get them the Brexit result they want.  People will be tempted to vote for the Lib Dems because that would stop Brexit even though normally they wouldn't dream of voting for them for their policies.  In the same way Labour Brexit supporters would vote for the Tories because they believe they are the only party who will push Brexit through.  So much for there socialist principles.

 

In other words I think this General election will not and cannot be driven by party policies as it should be.

1 hour ago, Scot123 said:

We are not Ire or Holland we're referendums

That's a first, a brexiteer referring to themselves as referendums. Did anyone vote for you?

 

 

Good luck to all the Brits and their British workers, families and colleagues.

 

Unfortunately, I bet one year from now we will still be talking about this.

 

God bless all of you Brits.

12 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

Good luck to all the Brits and their British workers, families and colleagues.

 

Unfortunately, I bet one year from now we will still be talking about this.

 

God bless all of you Brits.

One year?  This will run for many years I am afraid.

4 hours ago, luckyluke said:

If the U.K. (In accordance with the E.U.) vociferate, in a couple of months, that it is now out of the E.U.,

(but in reality isn't);

would the man in the street evidently perceive it? 

 

For the older, as myself, Belgians I know,  we all assume we are part of the E.U., as we have been told so, and continuous remembered. 

However none of us perceive any concrete difference from before the E.U. existed and now. 

All done by stealth and mirrors.

1 hour ago, Nigel Garvie said:

I agree

 

I agree

 

Whatever the outcome people will claim it was all, or not all,  because of Brexit. More confusion, more bitterness, and more recrimination results. We are - to our world wide embarrassment- running our country like a bunch of total dick#heads (Or fan#ies if you prefer). 

 

In my dreams I see an election where both Johnson and Corbyn loose their seats, my joy would know no bounds. 

 

I did dream that the SNP won all the seats in England as well as Scotland, but on sober reflection I realized that was a bit far fetched!!

Are you really Susan Boyle?

5 hours ago, luckyluke said:

If the U.K. (In accordance with the E.U.) vociferate, in a couple of months, that it is now out of the E.U.,

(but in reality isn't);

would the man in the street evidently perceive it? 

 

For the older, as myself, Belgians I know,  we all assume we are part of the E.U., as we have been told so, and continuous remembered. 

However none of us perceive any concrete difference from before the E.U. existed and now. 

Life has changed a lot since, impossible to attribute to whichever entity.

3 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

My point is both sides take advantage of tax loopholes. So it is silly to want to cancel Brexit or berate the leavers because someone may or may not have used tax havens, when Labours own headquarters is rented from shady entities in a tax haven. 

I hope I’m never held accountable for the tax practices of someone I rent a property from.

 

Meanwhile, Labour have stated they will change tax laws to reduce off shore tax dodging, while the Tories have no such plans and are infested with people who use ‘off shoring’ to avoid paying taxes.

13 hours ago, webfact said:

"I'm ready for it," Corbyn told parliament. He frames Labour as a socialist alternative to the inequality and close relations with U.S. President Donald Trump that he says characterise Johnson's premiership. "Change is coming."

 

That will be good for the £ sanctions from US on UK.

 

13 hours ago, webfact said:

Among voters, there was some relief that the Brexit debate might be ending soon.

As Boris said let the boss decide the UK people again.