Whistleblower offers Republicans testimony as Trump pushes to unmask

[RideJocky]

3 minutes ago, Sujo said:

He had due process to face his accuser in mueller but declined.

What did Mueller accuse him of? 

[Mavideol]

18 hours ago, J Town said:

Their hypocrisy is staggering!

wonder what they will come up with now that (finally) Gordon Sondland told the truth..... I know , I know more BS from the Reps

[J Town]

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

wonder what they will come up with now that (finally) Gordon Sondland told the truth..... I know , I know more BS from the Reps

Hahaha! Yeah, the other witnesses "refreshed" his memory. Read: his attorneys told him to come clean cuz perjury charges can and do stick.

[Becker]

And the news just keep getting better

 

Link: Lev Parnas, Giuliani Associate, Opens Talks With Impeachment Investigators

 

"An associate of Rudy Giuliani who was involved in a campaign to pressure Ukraine into aiding President Donald Trump’s political prospects has broken ranks, opening a dialogue with congressional impeachment investigators and accusing the president of falsely denying their relationship.

The associate, Lev Parnas, had previously resisted speaking with investigators for the Democrat-led impeachment proceedings, which are examining the president’s pressure attempts in Ukraine. A former lawyer for Trump was then representing Parnas.

But since then, Parnas has hired new lawyers who contacted the congressional investigators last week to notify them to “direct any future correspondence or communication to us,” according to a copy of the letter."

[Opl]

Truly classy Trump family,

" For weeks, President Donald Trump and his defenders have threatened to publicly name the whistleblower whose complaint catapulted the House into a full-blow impeachment inquiry. Donald Trump Jr., the president's eldest son, did just that on Wednesday by speculating their name in a tweet to his 4 million followers."

https://www.newsweek.com/law-firm-representing-whistleblower-calls-trump-jrs-speculation-clients-identity-disgusting-1470163

[tlandtday]

Of course the whistleblower should be revealed.  If not who's to say this wasn't the creation of the deep state?  Chuck Schumer is on tape saying there is a thousand ways the intelligence community can get Trump.  With the NSA, Homeland Security, CIA, FBI and others all wiretapping Americans how easy it would be to eavesdrop then get someone to come forward to reveal private conversations.  You can bet equal or more incriminating statements have come from dozens of Presidents including Obama who have spoken in private. This is likely a setup and a very convenient distraction from deep state Epstein. 

[bendejo]

12 hours ago, Becker said:

And the news just keep getting better

 

Link: Lev Parnas, Giuliani Associate, Opens Talks With Impeachment Investigators

 

"An associate of Rudy Giuliani who was involved in a campaign to pressure Ukraine into aiding President Donald Trump’s political prospects has broken ranks, opening a dialogue with congressional impeachment investigators and accusing the president of falsely denying their relationship.

The associate, Lev Parnas, had previously resisted speaking with investigators for the Democrat-led impeachment proceedings, which are examining the president’s pressure attempts in Ukraine. A former lawyer for Trump was then representing Parnas.

But since then, Parnas has hired new lawyers who contacted the congressional investigators last week to notify them to “direct any future correspondence or communication to us,” according to a copy of the letter."

Danger!  Danger!

I wouldn't trust this guy as far as I could throw him.  It is very easy for a double/triple/quadruple/etc -cross to be set up to rope-a-dope the impeachment effort into a true clown show.  If the Dems can't see that, well...  I really don't think what I'm saying is difficult to fathom.  Eventually Lev & Igor here will be deported to some kleptocratic country where they'll be free to continue their usual antics, regardless of what comes of all this, the only variable is how much time they'll be held up by law enforcement in the US, which could end with a pardon on Nov. 4 2020.  You can be sure that right now they are as observant of their bail conditions as Manafort was before they locked him up (recall he was caught witness tampering). 

What they should have done when they busted these guys was to indict Giuliani as well, this way he couldn't associate with them without violating bail conditions.  And Rudy would no longer be able to consult with Manafort, who he has been visiting in prison all along.

Don't let your zeal to bring this orange nightmare to an end cloud your judgement.

 

 

[Scott]

Baiting, bickering posts and replies removed.

 

[Crazy Alex]

15 hours ago, Becker said:

And the news just keep getting better

 

Link: Lev Parnas, Giuliani Associate, Opens Talks With Impeachment Investigators

 

"An associate of Rudy Giuliani who was involved in a campaign to pressure Ukraine into aiding President Donald Trump’s political prospects has broken ranks, opening a dialogue with congressional impeachment investigators and accusing the president of falsely denying their relationship.

The associate, Lev Parnas, had previously resisted speaking with investigators for the Democrat-led impeachment proceedings, which are examining the president’s pressure attempts in Ukraine. A former lawyer for Trump was then representing Parnas.

But since then, Parnas has hired new lawyers who contacted the congressional investigators last week to notify them to “direct any future correspondence or communication to us,” according to a copy of the letter."

Yes, the news against Trump has been getting better for three years now.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, tlandtday said:

Of course the whistleblower should be revealed.  If not who's to say this wasn't the creation of the deep state?  Chuck Schumer is on tape saying there is a thousand ways the intelligence community can get Trump.  With the NSA, Homeland Security, CIA, FBI and others all wiretapping Americans how easy it would be to eavesdrop then get someone to come forward to reveal private conversations.  You can bet equal or more incriminating statements have come from dozens of Presidents including Obama who have spoken in private. This is likely a setup and a very convenient distraction from deep state Epstein. 

Your ‘of course’ ignores Federal Law Which says it is a crime to reveal the name of a whistleblower.

 

I do understand the problem Trump and his supporters have with the law.

[sirineou]

2 hours ago, tlandtday said:

Of course the whistleblower should be revealed.  If not who's to say this wasn't the creation of the deep state? 

Corroborating witness? one name comes to mind, Sondland.

[Crazy Alex]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Your ‘of course’ ignores Federal Law Which says it is a crime to reveal the name of a whistleblower.

 

I do understand the problem Trump and his supporters have with the law.

I see no mention of that in the Intelligence Whistleblower Act. It only says the IG cannot reveal the name. Everyone knows who it is anyway.

[sirineou]

1 minute ago, Crazy Alex said:

I see no mention of that in the Intelligence Whistleblower Act. It only says the IG cannot reveal the name. Everyone knows who it is anyway.

What difference does it even make who the Whistleblower is? It could be Hillary Clinton and it still would not make a difference.

 Either trump did what it is alleged or he didn't.

IMO Republicans should be asking pertinent questions from the witnesses the Democrats are calling ,and calling their own witnesses  making the case that no Quid Pro Quo happened .

Instead of trying to muddy the waters with talking points and red herring arguments.

People are really getting sick of this. Why is it always Rusia  and that area of the world , is there any doubt on the minds of anyone , republican, democrat or independent of the kleptocracy of that region?   

My Mom always said. "show me your friends and I will tell you who you are" 

Come on. let's get real, Do we want these people running our country? Can't we do better? Let's wake up!! this isn't a game, a reality show, This is our country. our family. our children's futures .

[Tippaporn]

4 hours ago, sirineou said:

What difference does it even make who the Whistleblower is? It could be Hillary Clinton and it still would not make a difference.

 Either trump did what it is alleged or he didn't.

IMO Republicans should be asking pertinent questions from the witnesses the Democrats are calling ,and calling their own witnesses  making the case that no Quid Pro Quo happened .

Instead of trying to muddy the waters with talking points and red herring arguments.

People are really getting sick of this. Why is it always Rusia  and that area of the world , is there any doubt on the minds of anyone , republican, democrat or independent of the kleptocracy of that region?   

My Mom always said. "show me your friends and I will tell you who you are" 

Come on. let's get real, Do we want these people running our country? Can't we do better? Let's wake up!! this isn't a game, a reality show, This is our country. our family. our children's futures .

What difference does it even make who the Whistleblower is?

 

In the U.S. the law requires the accuser to face the accused.  And you claim that you can't think of a single reason why that most important law has been adopted by the founding fathers?  You claim that the accuser has no bearing whatsoever?  And the accuser need not testify to his accusations?  You can't possibly be serious on that point.  Unless you want so badly to remove Trump that any means will justify your ends.  Fairness and justice be damned.

 

IMO Republicans should be asking pertinent questions from the witnesses the Democrats are calling ,and calling their own witnesses  making the case that no Quid Pro Quo happened .

 

Don't you remember that the Dems rigged the inquiry so that Schiff has absolute control over who the Republicans can and cannot call as witnesses?  Schiff is the first person on their list.  Do you think he'll allow himself to be questioned over his contact with the whistle blower prior to the filing of his complaint?  Or sending one of his staffers to Ukraine to meet with the U.S. Ambassador in late August?  Or the fact that he hired a couple of DNI boys whom the whistle blower worked with?  Yeah, right.

 

Why is it always Rusia  and that area of the world ,  . . . 

 

For one, because ever good MIC needs an enemy.  After all, it's how they make their livelihood.  War and conflict is good for them, and necessary for their survival.  And secondly, because it's been pounded into your head over and over and over again.  Been gas lit lately?

 

. . .  This is our country. our family. our children's futures .

 

Trump is taking care of them.  You simply can't see it.  You see the exact opposite.  But Orange Man Bad has been pounded into your head over and over and over again as well.  You're being played.  Big time.

 

Edited November 7, 2019 by Tippaporn

[J Town]

8 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

In the U.S. the law requires the accuser to face the accused.

Firchrissake how many times do we have to go over this? This has been explained again and again - this is NOT a trial. It's a inquiry. There IS no accused at this point so there IS no accuser to face.

 

 

Edited November 7, 2019 by J Town
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[Tippaporn]

8 minutes ago, J Town said:

Firchrissake how many times to we have to go over this? This has been explained again and again - this is NOT a trial. It's a inquiry. There IS no accused at this point so there IS no accuser to face.

Transparency only when it suits your cause.  In other words, you're more than willing to rig things to your benefit.

 

There IS no accused at this point . . . 

 

Geezus, mate, please do make some sense.

[Sujo]

13 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Transparency only when it suits your cause.  In other words, you're more than willing to rig things to your benefit.

 

There IS no accused at this point . . . 

 

Geezus, mate, please do make some sense.

Transparency?

 

Look at all those trump supporters lining up to give evidence, or not.

 

if you dont like the process then blame repubs. Dems are doing it by the book.

 

Trump has no rights in an impeachment investigation. The process is whatever congress says it is.

[Tippaporn]

16 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Transparency?

 

Look at all those trump supporters lining up to give evidence, or not.

 

if you dont like the process then blame repubs. Dems are doing it by the book.

 

Trump has no rights in an impeachment investigation. The process is whatever congress says it is.

Look at all those trump supporters lining up to give evidence, or not.

 

You must have missed when I wrote:  Schiff has absolute control over who the Republicans can or cannot have as witnesses.  You claim that Republicans are not calling in witnesses when you know that Schiff controls the witness list.  Are you being transparent?

 

Dems are doing it by the book.

 

Dems are doing it by hook and crook.

 

The process is whatever congress says it is.

 

The process is not what congress says it is.  The process is whatever the Dems say the process is.  You do remember the vote on procedures?  100% of Republicans and two Democrats against.  But please do continue to argue how the process has been created and agreed upon by congress.

 

As long as the game is played to exclusively benefit the Democrats it's all fair and good.  This is strictly a political impeachment attempt.

 

Edited November 7, 2019 by Tippaporn

[J Town]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Transparency only when it suits your cause.  In other words, you're more than willing to rig things to your benefit.

There IS no accused at this point . . . 

Geezus, mate, please do make some sense.

What words did you not understand? I'll keep this short so it is easy to grasp:

 

1.  Now is inquiry.

2. Now is NOT trial.

3. Now is NO criminal accusation (sorry, couldn't think of a shorter words for this)

4. No accuse, no accuser.

5. When real impeachment happens (starts next Wednesday) is different.

 

Heavy sigh . . .

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Look at all those trump supporters lining up to give evidence, or not.

 

You must have missed when I wrote:  Schiff has absolute control over who the Republicans can or cannot have as witnesses.  You claim that Republicans are not calling in witnesses when you know that Schiff controls the witness list.  Are you being transparent?

 

Dems are doing it by the book.

 

Dems are doing it by hook and crook.

 

The process is whatever congress says it is.

 

The process is not what congress says it is.  The process is whatever the Dems say the process is.  You do remember the vote on procedures?  100% of Republicans and two Democrats against.  But please do continue to argue how the process has been created and agreed upon by congress.

 

As long as the game is played to exclusively benefit the Democrats it's all fair and good.  This is strictly a political impeachment attempt.

 

Yes schiff has subpoenad many witnesses. Guess which ones didnt come.

 

Congress decides how its run. Elections have consequences.

 

You are 100% correct in your final sentence. It is strictly political. Thats what impeachment is by definition, a political process. Not a civil or criminal process. Which is why it doesnt follow normal rules.

[J Town]

51 minutes ago, Sujo said:

That's what impeachment is by definition, a political process. Not a civil or criminal process. Which is why it doesn't follow normal rules.

I saw an interview of a political scholar, and it's MOSTLY political but it is also a bit criminal. Definitely NOT civil. That's why this is such an important issue, it's going to set a precedent and I don't see much good coming from it. It IS a foregone conclusion - Trump will be impeached. They already have the votes, the witnesses, we're now just going through the motions.

 

Now that the actual impeachment process will go public, the average American will see what weasels Trump and his administration are. It will go to the Senate, and most likely be put down like a rabid dog. They've already declared they won't look at any evidence and will vote party over the constitution. Trump and his minions will dance in the streets, laughing maniacally, HEE HAWING and tweeting nasty things. If future presidents with similar lack of moral integrity gain the oval office, they will repeat what this horrible man got away with.

 

Our greatest hope is that people will get out and vote. Trump's base is a minority, but he plays on their fears, he fans the flames of their hatred - just watch 3 minutes of any of his rallies (if you can stomach it!). NEVER a call to unify the country, ALWAYS hate hate hate! These sycophants vote! If Independents (the clear majority) can come out and get behind a candidate, Trump will be soundly trounced. If that happens, there is a mountain of indictments with his name on them sitting on the desk of The United States District Court for the Southern District of New York.

Edited November 7, 2019 by J Town

[tlandtday]

Haha so the whistlebloser is a cia hack roflmao... can you spell SETUP? 

[ExpatOK]

29 minutes ago, J Town said:

I saw an interview of a political scholar, and it's MOSTLY political but it is also a bit criminal. Definitely NOT civil. That's why this is such an important issue, it's going to set a precedent and I don't see much good coming from it. It IS a foregone conclusion - Trump will be impeached. They already have the votes, the witnesses, we're now just going through the motions.

 

Now that the actual impeachment process will go public, the average American will see what weasels Trump and his administration are. It will go to the Senate, and most likely be put down like a rabid dog. They've already declared they won't look at any evidence and will vote party over the constitution. Trump and his minions will dance in the streets, laughing maniacally, HEE HAWING and tweeting nasty things. If future presidents with similar lack of moral integrity gain the oval office, they will repeat what this horrible man got away with.

 

Our greatest hope is that people will get out and vote. Trump's base is a minority, but he plays on their fears, he fans the flames of their hatred - just watch 3 minutes of any of his rallies (if you can stomach it!). NEVER a call to unify the country, ALWAYS hate hate hate! These sycophants vote! If Independents (the clear majority) can come out and get behind a candidate, Trump will be soundly trounced. If that happens, there is a mountain of indictments with his name on them sitting on the desk of The United States District Court for the Southern District of New York.

The Senate may well call the whistleblower as well as Joe and Hunter Biden.  There is also talk they will call Schiff as he had contact with the whistleblower and lied about it.  Trump could be there to question all of them.  Should be fun to watch as they take the fifth.

Edited November 7, 2019 by ExpatOK

[candide]

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

You must have missed when I wrote:  Schiff has absolute control over who the Republicans can or cannot have as witnesses.  You claim that Republicans are not calling in witnesses when you know that Schiff controls the witness list.  Are you being transparent?

As mentioned before by Sujo, several known pro-Trump witnesses have been called in and did not come.

Moreover, under the new rules, the Republican minority can officially request testimonies and even issue subpoenas. Yes, it is controlled by Schiff, but:

- has the minority so far called in testimonies?

- has the minority complained about any refusal by Schiff?

Edited November 7, 2019 by candide

[J Town]

1 minute ago, ExpatOK said:

The Senate may well call the whistleblower as well as Joe and Hunter Biden.  There is also talk they will call Schiff as he had contact with the whistleblower and lied about it.  Trump could be there to question all of them.  Should be fun to watch as they take the fifth.

Yes to the Senate calling anyone they wish.

No to the contact between Schiff and the whistleblower. That's been debunked as a red herring.

Yes, Trump could go there, but I don't think it wouldn't go well for him if he did.

I honestly never enjoy people hiding behind the 5th.

[Sujo]

43 minutes ago, tlandtday said:

Haha so the whistlebloser is a cia hack roflmao... can you spell SETUP? 

The whistleblower is irrelevant. The evidence has come from others.

[Sujo]

23 minutes ago, ExpatOK said:

The Senate may well call the whistleblower as well as Joe and Hunter Biden.  There is also talk they will call Schiff as he had contact with the whistleblower and lied about it.  Trump could be there to question all of them.  Should be fun to watch as they take the fifth.

Which has nothing to do with what the witnesses say trump has done to warrant an impeachment inquiry.

[sirineou]

4 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

What difference does it even make who the Whistleblower is?

 

In the U.S. the law requires the accuser to face the accused.  And you claim that you can't think of a single reason why that most important law has been adopted by the founding fathers?  You claim that the accuser has no bearing whatsoever?  And the accuser need not testify to his accusations?  You can't possibly be serious on that point.  Unless you want so badly to remove Trump that any means will justify your ends.  Fairness and justice be damned.

 

IMO Republicans should be asking pertinent questions from the witnesses the Democrats are calling ,and calling their own witnesses  making the case that no Quid Pro Quo happened .

 

Don't you remember that the Dems rigged the inquiry so that Schiff has absolute control over who the Republicans can and cannot call as witnesses?  Schiff is the first person on their list.  Do you think he'll allow himself to be questioned over his contact with the whistle blower prior to the filing of his complaint?  Or sending one of his staffers to Ukraine to meet with the U.S. Ambassador in late August?  Or the fact that he hired a couple of DNI boys whom the whistle blower worked with?  Yeah, right.

 

Why is it always Rusia  and that area of the world ,  . . . 

 

For one, because ever good MIC needs an enemy.  After all, it's how they make their livelihood.  War and conflict is good for them, and necessary for their survival.  And secondly, because it's been pounded into your head over and over and over again.  Been gas lit lately?

 

. . .  This is our country. our family. our children's futures .

 

Trump is taking care of them.  You simply can't see it.  You see the exact opposite.  But Orange Man Bad has been pounded into your head over and over and over again as well.  You're being played.  Big time.

 

This is not an accusation it is an inquiry, and u are wrong, the republicans can call witnesses. After this inquiry is concluded if the evidence suggests, there will be an accusation (impeachment proceedings) and then the accused will have the right to confront his accuser. The whistleblower has nothing more to ad to these proceedings his/hers information has being  
corroborated by others, it is simply a political stunt designed to muddy the waters.

Sorry my friend,I am afraid it is you who is being played. 

 

[muzley]

Here's an interesting article. Seems like a setup.

Whistleblower’s Lawyer Responds to Firestorm Over Past ‘Coup Has Started,’ ‘We Will Get Rid of Him’ Tweets

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/whistleblowers-lawyer-responds-after-coup-has-started-and-we-will-get-rid-of-him-tweets/

[J Town]

1 minute ago, muzley said:

Here's an interesting article. Seems like a setup.

Whistleblower’s Lawyer Responds to Firestorm Over Past ‘Coup Has Started,’ ‘We Will Get Rid of Him’ Tweets

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/whistleblowers-lawyer-responds-after-coup-has-started-and-we-will-get-rid-of-him-tweets/

If tweets meant anything, Trump would have been out on his a$$ a LONG time ago. Next.