Police shoot dead man who killed two in London stabbing, call it terrorist attack

[amykat]

8 hours ago, kingdong said:

Totally agree he would have been shot by a bystander and perhaps those people wouldn,t have been murdered.

Your paintball fantasy games!!!

[steve187]

17 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

Nothing to do with Police officers on the street , he was arrested by special branch and given a minimum of 8 years in 2012 for plotting bamb attacks. Not the cops who let him out before that to murder was it, or lack of them.

police do not let people out of prison early, the prison service/probation service do that. Police investigate, arrest and charge in conjunction with the crown prosecution service , who then take over the prosecution.

[roo860]

5 hours ago, Basil B said:

 

 

Was it meant to be?

 

"Police shoot a dead man ...." or "Police shoot dead, a man ...."

2 people murdered, three injured, and some posters still going on how the headline was <deleted> worded.

Get a grip ladies.

[Tug]

Good glad the dude is dead done in by the tusk of the mighty narwhal!!what are the odds a brave man was walking along with the tusk of the mighty narwhal love it just love it!!to bad 2 lost their lives rip I mean no disrespect with the narwal comment

[transam]

On 11/30/2019 at 6:10 AM, baboon said:

Good work by the police and public. But really? Terrorism? Come on, that is surely overstating the case somewhat.

The killer was let out of prison early, from a 16 year stretch for terrorism offenses...????

[TopDeadSenter]

49 minutes ago, Tug said:

Good glad the dude is dead done in by the tusk of the mighty narwhal!!what are the odds a brave man was walking along with the tusk of the mighty narwhal love it just love it!!to bad 2 lost their lives rip I mean no disrespect with the narwal comment

Yes totally awesome. Reminded me of the hilarious Skin Tight novel by Carl Hiassen when the main character Mick Stranahan kills an intruder with a marlin spike he had hanging on the wall. Life imitating art! I believe like at Mick's stilt house, the narwhal tusk was hanging on the wall at the Cambridge conference venue. 

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, steve187 said:

police do not let people out of prison early, the prison service/probation service do that. Police investigate, arrest and charge in conjunction with the crown prosecution service , who then take over the prosecution.

And obviously didn,t do a very good job in this case.

[DannyCarlton]

12 hours ago, Cat ji said:

"...the mosques came..."

 

Yes, funded by oil sheikhs, Saudi and Qatari.  Old friends/associates of the British Establishment.
 

Maybe refer to [da'wa] ...as it relates to propagation of Islam and building of mosques.

Quick Google results copy-paste...

Probably the biggest single factor, aided and abetted by the rise of social media. Young Moslems are as likely to be radicalised on line as in the Mosque in 2019.

[DannyCarlton]

11 hours ago, kingdong said:

 

It was up to 1937 when anyone could legally own a gun,then the police stated people didn,t need them as the police were there to protect them,this then led to licensing,and led to a blanket ban on handguns,except section 5 pistols (which any self respecting drug dealer would turn his nose up at )

And gun crime has dropped through the floor. Long may they stay banned.

[kingdong]

Just now, DannyCarlton said:

And gun crime has dropped through the floor. Long may they stay banned.

No it hasn,t gun crime has steadily risen since they banned legal ownership.

[Orton Rd]

18 minutes ago, amykat said:

What he is saying is ....how would someone know that a person was dangerous  until he, more or less, shot people already???  Unless he had a crystal ball??

 

 

Bloke in black with a beard with two knifes, one strapped to his had and with a crazed look in his face and probably screaming something in Arabic might be a bit of a clue to him being dangerous. ????

[DannyCarlton]

1 hour ago, transam said:

The killer was let out of prison early, from a 16 year stretch for terrorism offenses...????

Not let out early. He was originally given an indeterminate sentence which would have made his release subject to the Parole Board and allowed the authorities to detain him for life if the Parole board weren't satisfied that he no longer posed a threat to society. This type of sentencing was brought in by the previous Labour Government as part of their counter terrorism measures.

 

Unfortunately, whilst serving his sentence, the Tory Government removed this sentencing option from judges and, as a result, Kahn appealed his sentence which was changed to a straight 16 years. He was released automatically after serving half of his sentence as per Home Office rules.

[DannyCarlton]

33 minutes ago, kingdong said:

No it hasn,t gun crime has steadily risen since they banned legal ownership.

No. It dropped like a stone after the banning of most weapons in private ownership. It has risen recently but is still nowhere near previous levels.

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

The last thing the UK needs is to follow the US lack of gun laws,its not really working out for them.

It's working really well for us. How many terrorist attacks in the UK involve guns? None. Terrorist attacks in France, where gun laws are more lax, do generally involve guns and the numbers killed are generally much higher.

 

Factor in the almost daily mass shootings in the USA, where the number of deaths are on another level and the perps, generally, are not taken down by US citizens exercising their right to bear arms, and relaxing UK gun laws makes no sense at all.

[Old Croc]

The two victims were murdered at a conference about prisoner rehabilitation. The terrorist was attending this event. The first victim named, Jack Merritt, was the course co-ordinator who worked for prison reform. A female victim also died there.

He was followed onto the bridge and tackled by other attendees, one of whom had a tusk taken from the wall of a fish shop nearby.

One of the "heroes" who fought him was himself a convicted murderer on day release. The family of the girl he killed, strongly object to him being described as a hero.

[bendejo]

5 hours ago, bannork said:

I see it was a Pole armed with a narwhal tusk who took on the terrorist.

Is this a common thing to see on the streets of London, Poles carrying narwhal tusks?  Does one need an open-carry permit?  ???? 

A certain US president says on the evening of 9/11 in New Jersey (across the river from NYC) that Muslims were celebrating the attack at outdoor parties.  I come from that general area, and I can assure you the local denizens would have reacted in a fashion similar to the way these fellows did.  There would have been a lot of baseball bats ruined by blood stains by the time the sun came up the next day.

 

 

[DannyCarlton]

3 minutes ago, bendejo said:

Is this a common thing to see on the streets of London, Poles carrying narwhal tusks?

Probably more common than Narwhals carrying poles.

 

 

[overherebc]

On the news ( UK ) 'his lawyer' is now saying he decided to go on this stabbing spree because he didn't get proper advice and help when he was in prison.

Doesn't take them long to get their fingers into the public purse.

[GroveHillWanderer]

5 hours ago, bannork said:

Headlines often omit articles, such brevity makes them more striking and lures the reader.

This. Newspaper headline writers do not follow the normal rules of English grammar. A more grammatically correct version might read, "Police shoot dead a man who killed two in a London stabbing and call it a terrorist attack."

 

In fact the very first line of the full article, written using normal, grammatically correct English, tells us exactly what happened:

 

Quote

British police on Friday shot dead a man wearing a fake suicide vest who stabbed two people to death in London and injured three more before being wrestled to the ground by bystanders, in what the authorities called a terrorist attack.

 

Since definite and indefinite articles are always omitted from newspaper headlines, part of the trick to reading them is to put them back in where they logically should be. In any event as mentioned, we know from reading the article that the man was not dead before he was shot, so criticising the headline writer for not putting the articles in (when by convention, this is never done) is pointless.

[GroveHillWanderer]

1 hour ago, DannyCarlton said:

It's working really well for us. How many terrorist attacks in the UK involve guns?

I'm pretty sure he means that it's not working out in the US, rather than in the UK.

[nauseus]

16 hours ago, simple1 said:

How about accepting I was providing you and others, if they are interested, factual reporting on the current far right terror threat in the U.K., rather than trying to be argumentative for no reason. Some quotes from the linked report I provided which indicate the level of resourcing that must be applied by HMG security forces rather than on Islamist terrorism.

 

A quarter of all terrorism arrests in the past year were linked to far-right violence.

 

A third of all terror plots to kill in Britain since 2017 – seven out of 22 – were by those driven by extreme-right causes.

How about reading your own story and accepting that the level and threat of so-called far right terrorism remains low compared to this: 
 

"The remainder were jihadist, which remains by far the biggest terrorist threat to the UK and has stabilised at a very high level after years of growth".

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, transam said:

The killer was let out of prison early, from a 16 year stretch for terrorism offenses...????

Hell of a stretch. By any stretch of the imagination.

[simple1]

16 minutes ago, nauseus said:

How about reading your own story and accepting that the level and threat of so-called far right terrorism remains low compared to this: 
 

"The remainder were jihadist, which remains by far the biggest terrorist threat to the UK and has stabilised at a very high level after years of growth".

I originally provided a factual response to an incorrect claim far right terrorism events are greater than Islamist attacks in the UK. Since then you have repeatedly given a false narrative of my posts; kindly cease.

[GroveHillWanderer]

2 hours ago, Old Croc said:

He was followed onto the bridge and tackled by other attendees, one of whom had a tusk taken from the wall of a fish shop nearby.

Almost, but not quite. The event where the incident started was being held in a building known as Fishmongers' Hall. The person you mention was not an attendee, he worked in the building and used a narwhal tusk which he had taken from the wall inside that building, which is the headquarters of the Worshipful Company of Fishmongers, rather than a 'fish shop'.

[248900_1469958220]

22 hours ago, Becker said:

I'm sure you can support that claim with links to credible sources. I shall hold my breath in eager anticipation of your reply!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUI_ij5mbTA

[Orton Rd]

22 minutes ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUI_ij5mbTA

who agrees man and women should be seated apart- there were no women even present!

[metisdead]

Some off topic trolling posts about the US have been removed as well as the replies.  Please stay on topic. 

 

 

[Orton Rd]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

How about reading your own story and accepting that the level and threat of so-called far right terrorism remains low compared to this: 
 

"The remainder were jihadist, which remains by far the biggest terrorist threat to the UK and has stabilised at a very high level after years of growth".

His right wing 'terror' threat arrests will include people tweeting and maybe flying the union jack or a scuffle at a demo, not quite in the same league as blowing up kids at concerts, mowing them down in lorries or going on a stabbing spree of totally innocent people.

[Becker]

3 hours ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUI_ij5mbTA

Wow, a link to a YouTube video. How utterly convincing!

[kingdong]

10 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

No. It dropped like a stone after the banning of most weapons in private ownership. It has risen recently but is still nowhere near previous levels.

The shootings were in the vast majority carried out with illegally held weapons,apart from hungerford and dunblaine,you got the off domestic shooting but nothing like the numbers you get today with gangs,got any figures?