Pelosi pursues articles of impeachment against Trump, says democracy at stake

[Sujo]

9 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

  

 

You mean like this:

 

 

Why do you think Schiff published the phone logs of these individuals?  Was it to make a false, baseless accusation to smear Nunes and potentially initiate a hoax investigation into him while also knowing that so many biased liberals would draw the preconceived conclusions Schiff knowingly infers?

 

Now we do know that at minimum Schiff's staff had contact with the whistle blower before the whistle blower submitted his complaint.  It strains credulity to believe that Schiff himself did not have contact.  Where are the demands from liberals for Schiff's phone records?  For wouldn't that be illegal?  And this whole impeachment farce is now touted by the liberals here as Nancy puts it, it's all for the good of the country?

 

In any case, my point is that you chide Baerboxer for drawing conclusions when TV posters here draw conclusions about the meanings of Nunes' phone calls while having zero evidence as to the contents of those calls.  Again, liberal hypocrisy.  At least Baerboxer has evidence, as we all do, of Schiff's potential for criminality in regards to the whistle blower contact.

 

BTW, the CBSN vid above is pathetic to watch.  The assumptions made without evidence by all is difficult to watch.  How many more Americans are this delusional?

 

evidence for potential. 

 

Is that like because you have a penis that is potential evidence you are a rapist?

 

Btw, the evidence is the wb contacted schiffs office to find out how to make the complaint. His office directed him to the proper authority.

 

You have anything to refute that?

Strange how you thing its all dodgy with no evidence for that. But with trump, oooh nooo, nothing.

[candide]

42 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

  

 

You mean like this:

 

 

Why do you think Schiff published the phone logs of these individuals?  Was it to make a false, baseless accusation to smear Nunes and potentially initiate a hoax investigation into him while also knowing that so many biased liberals would draw the preconceived conclusions Schiff knowingly infers?

 

Now we do know that at minimum Schiff's staff had contact with the whistle blower before the whistle blower submitted his complaint.  It strains credulity to believe that Schiff himself did not have contact.  Where are the demands from liberals for Schiff's phone records?  For wouldn't that be illegal?  And this whole impeachment farce is now touted by the liberals here as Nancy puts it, it's all for the good of the country?

 

In any case, my point is that you chide Baerboxer for drawing conclusions when TV posters here draw conclusions about the meanings of Nunes' phone calls while having zero evidence as to the contents of those calls.  Again, liberal hypocrisy.  At least Baerboxer has evidence, as we all do, of Schiff's potential for criminality in regards to the whistle blower contact.

 

BTW, the CBSN vid above is pathetic to watch.  The assumptions made without evidence by all is difficult to watch.  How many more Americans are this delusional?

 

2 conspiracy theories in the same post. Congratulations!

As Sujo already replied about the first one, I will only deal with the second one.

They were not particularly looking for Nunes' phone calls. Giuliani and Parnas were at the heart if the QPQ so it made sense to get their phone call list.

"The report indicates that all of the call records obtained by the committee belonged to Parnas or Giuliani. Every call mentioned in the report includes one or both of them. And the numbers assigned in the report’s footnotes to each document that AT&T produced to the committee appear sequential and grouped according to calls involving Parnas and Giuliani—in the case of the latter, numbers 02131 through 02139, and for the former, 00909 through 00914.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/adam-schiff-no-we-didnt-subpoena-john-solomons-phone-records

 

Parnas' lawyer also made before public statements implicating Nunes. The phone call list just provides additional clues.

 

[Thaidream]

Trump has a history of being shady .  It is onme reason why he hides his tax records because they will show who he has done business with and I would imagine that many Russians will show up.

 

Trump filed bankruptcy 4 times and was unable to get bank loans in the Us so he most likely turned to the Russians and other foreign interests.

 

Trumps way of dealing is always a quid pro quo- as president he would not change his ways.  I have no doubt he wanted 'dirt' on Biden because he fears him in the 2020 election.

 

However,  Impeachment and removal is  more a political process than a criminal one. While I believe  that Trump has used his Presiency in a way that smacks of criminality- I would not impeach him but would censure him and continue to push  investigations into all of his activity and set the stage for his conviction  after he leaves office.

 

Pushing for his impeachment makes the Democrats feel good  but in reality not enough of the general public wants him to be convicted, mostly because people are tired of the politics involved and do not understand the gravity of the  case.

 

The only way to get rid of Donald Trump is to be as wily and downright machivelian as he is. Let the election take place- put up a Democrat candidate that can go toe to toe with Trump and expose him for what he is- a liar and an incomptent President who is enriching himself in office. 

 

Go after his minions Guliani; Pompeo; and the rest and build a real case  and  put the fear of going to prison into Trump's head.  Eventually, he will crack.

 

 

[metisdead]

Some inflammatory posts and replies have been removed. 

[yogi100]

4 hours ago, Thaidream said:

Trump has a history of being shady .  It is onme reason why he hides his tax records because they will show who he has done business with and I would imagine that many Russians will show up.

 

Trump filed bankruptcy 4 times and was unable to get bank loans in the Us so he most likely turned to the Russians and other foreign interests.

 

Trumps way of dealing is always a quid pro quo- as president he would not change his ways.  I have no doubt he wanted 'dirt' on Biden because he fears him in the 2020 election.

 

However,  Impeachment and removal is  more a political process than a criminal one. While I believe  that Trump has used his Presiency in a way that smacks of criminality- I would not impeach him but would censure him and continue to push  investigations into all of his activity and set the stage for his conviction  after he leaves office.

 

Pushing for his impeachment makes the Democrats feel good  but in reality not enough of the general public wants him to be convicted, mostly because people are tired of the politics involved and do not understand the gravity of the  case.

 

The only way to get rid of Donald Trump is to be as wily and downright machivelian as he is. Let the election take place- put up a Democrat candidate that can go toe to toe with Trump and expose him for what he is- a liar and an incomptent President who is enriching himself in office. 

 

Go after his minions Guliani; Pompeo; and the rest and build a real case  and  put the fear of going to prison into Trump's head.  Eventually, he will crack.

 

 

Is this Guliani character who gets mentioned a lot in connection with Trump the same fellow who cleaned up New York a few years back when he was the elected Mayor of said city.

 

In which case I'd have thought all America would rejoice to have such a capable chap helping Trump run the country. Unless if course some liberals might wish again for a time when NY returned the crime infested dump it was before Guliani came along.

 

Perhaps he could help and advise the president on how to clean up other cities such as Los Angeles which are plagued by gangs of heavily tattooed Spanish speaking immigrants from South of the border. Surely you'd have to agree clearing them out would be a step in the right direction.

 

If it's the same Guliani perhaps he'd make a better job of cleaning up the USA than even Trump can.

[Skeptic7]

He should be ousted and imprisoned for many crimes...both in and ourside of politics. 

[muzley]

This will upset Democrats!!

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/06/us-nonfarm-payrolls-november-2019.html

 

 

[Sujo]

7 minutes ago, muzley said:

This will upset Democrats!!

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/06/us-nonfarm-payrolls-november-2019.html

 

 

Why would good job news upset democrats, and how is this relevant to this thread?

[ExpatOK]

I believe there will be no impeachment.  The good economic reports coming out will hurt the impeachment gang.  Only a fool would vote for impeachment right now and though there are a lot in Dem wing of the House, there are not enough.  Those in swing states will not vote for impeachment.  

[Sujo]

6 minutes ago, ExpatOK said:

I believe there will be no impeachment.  The good economic reports coming out will hurt the impeachment gang.  Only a fool would vote for impeachment right now and though there are a lot in Dem wing of the House, there are not enough.  Those in swing states will not vote for impeachment.  

That must be disappointing to trump fans. All they have been saying lately is how happy they will be to get it to the senate so everyone except trump will be on trial.

[ExpatOK]

7 minutes ago, Sujo said:

That must be disappointing to trump fans. All they have been saying lately is how happy they will be to get it to the senate so everyone except trump will be on trial.

Either way it's a win for the US as the result will be the destruction of the current Democrat party.  

[muzley]

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

Why would good job news upset democrats, and how is this relevant to this thread?

Any win for Trump rankles them such is their pure hatred of him.

[tomacht8]

Hopefully the clown will be gone soon. The USA has so many intelligent thinkers. 45 was really a grip in the bottom drawer. Unable to adress the problems of this planet as the world power number one.

What has he created in his current term in office on positive facts? Nothing.

[Scott]

Off-topic post and reply removed.  

 

[Redline]

20 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

". . . . seem to be in dispute. . . . ."

 

That so-called fact is majorly in dispute.  Your conclusion purposely omits all evidence to the contrary and pretends it does not exist or is meaningless.  All evidence must be accounted for with a valid explanation and not simply an explanation that fits the desired conclusion.  Liberals are the most dishonest people I've ever had the misfortune to meet.

Yeah the deep state dude ???? scary stuff.  Hard to keep up with the conspiracy theories

[sirineou]

5 hours ago, muzley said:

Any win for Trump rankles them such is their pure hatred of him.

I wonder who said " stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody" and not "lose any voters"

what is that, MUskrat Love? 

[Kelsall]

I would love to see a trial in the Senate with Schiff, the Bidens and the whistleblower called to testify.  I'm in the camp that it just won't happen.  House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn has already admitted they will lose some votes and he's not bothering to whip up more. 

 

I hope I'm wrong.  It would be great to watch those scoundrels testify.

 

 

[Sujo]

5 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

I would love to see a trial in the Senate with Schiff, the Bidens and the whistleblower called to testify.  I'm in the camp that it just won't happen.  House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn has already admitted they will lose some votes and he's not bothering to whip up more. 

 

I hope I'm wrong.  It would be great to watch those scoundrels testify.

 

 

What makes you think they will be called. If the senate agrees to call witnesses that havent testified in congress then that opens the door for mulvaney, bolton, giuliano to be called.

 

Be careful what u wish for.

[RideJocky]

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

What makes you think they will be called. If the senate agrees to call witnesses that havent testified in congress then that opens the door for mulvaney, bolton, giuliano to be called.

 

Be careful what u wish for.

The Republicans will want Mulvaney, Bolton & Giuliani to testify.

[xylophone]

22 minutes ago, RideJocky said:

The Republicans will want Mulvaney, Bolton & Giuliani to testify.

Well that will either be a lie fest or a laugh fest, this especially as Giuliani will probably try and ramble his way through things, and I don't think he is the "full quid" these days!

[RideJocky]

2 hours ago, xylophone said:

Well that will either be a lie fest or a laugh fest, this especially as Giuliani will probably try and ramble his way through things, and I don't think he is the "full quid" these days!

Yesh, I think it will be pretty funny. 
 

I thought the legal “scholars” testifying was hilarious. Almost as funny as the reactions here...

[HuskerDo]

On 12/5/2019 at 7:14 PM, Longcut said:

In the meantime, the Senate has just confirmed 8 more Trump appointed judges. How to go Dems. Way to take your eye off the ball.

All these new judges will be Trumps greatest legacy and it will be impactful for decades. These are judges that will interpret the law and not try to make/change it.

[Scott]

Off-topic posts removed. 

 

[Sujo]

9 hours ago, RideJocky said:

Yesh, I think it will be pretty funny. 
 

I thought the legal “scholars” testifying was hilarious. Almost as funny as the reactions here...

I suppose thats one way of handling it when one cannot understand intelligent discussion.

[Tippaporn]

Trump is doomed.  His presidency is over, finished, kaput.  It's all over television now.  Everyone is reporting the same breaking news.  Conservatives were wrong!  What a fool I've been.  

 

 

 

[Tug]

15 hours ago, Kelsall said:

I would love to see a trial in the Senate with Schiff, the Bidens and the whistleblower called to testify.  I'm in the camp that it just won't happen.  House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn has already admitted they will lose some votes and he's not bothering to whip up more. 

 

I hope I'm wrong.  It would be great to watch those scoundrels testify.

 

 

Ahhhh you do know this is about trump extorting an ally with tax payer dollars at war with a hostile foreign power in an attempt to smear a political rival don’t you???this isent some conspiracy clown show trial we have investigators for the Biden business do it that way not the russan disinformation way ya know!

[TopDeadSenter]

9 minutes ago, Tug said:

this isent some conspiracy clown show trial

Errr, yes it is. You will notice the temper tantrums by Biden when faced by that 90 year old farmer in Iowa, and Pelosi when asked if she hated Trump. They know it's over. 

[Sujo]

14 hours ago, RideJocky said:

The Republicans will want Mulvaney, Bolton & Giuliani to testify.

Then why havent they.

[Tug]

47 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Errr, yes it is. You will notice the temper tantrums by Biden when faced by that 90 year old farmer in Iowa, and Pelosi when asked if she hated Trump. They know it's over. 

Priceless coming from a supporter of the tantrum in chief absolute gold lol!ha no it’s just started and you best pay attention what’s happening in your home country they are getting ready  to ruin your health care system 

[roobaa01]

16 hours ago, RideJocky said:

The Republicans will want Mulvaney, Bolton & Giuliani to testify.

thereto the bidens, schiff, the fakeblower would be wonderful x-mas entertainment.

also more important to us people than the dem impeachment charade 266 k jobs added, 54k manufcturing jobs added, 3 % eco growth, 3.1 % wage growth.

 

is nunes suing schiff for violation of civil rights in conjunction with his phone transcription release ???

 

wbr

roobaa01