British PM Johnson to win a majority of 86: exit poll

[SheungWan]

4 minutes ago, sandyf said:

And how does that relate exactly, to my point regarding the 52% of the vote.

Stay on point, do not go off at a tangent.

Those who lose elections always tend to whine on about something that is off the point. The only vote that counts in a General election is the one that gets MPs elected. Lumping Labour and Lib Dems together to make some daft totals conclusion is pretty desperate and irrelevant.

[SheungWan]

Its hilarious. Prior to the election being called we were fighting off the Hard Brexiteers who had no regard for Parliamentary Democracy. Now we are fighting off nutty Labour supporters who think the votes should be totalled up in a different way. Stay away from the cranks I say.

[transam]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

There it is, the voice of reduced comprehension.

Of course "the people" have spoken, but there are "the people" of a particular persuasion that think they are "the people" and no other people exist.

Over the years "the people" of 63 countries have spoken and said that they would no longer be imprisoned by a dictatorial government, why should "the people" of Scotland not have the option to make it 64.

Make no mistake the battle has begun, but unlike the Irish a hundred years ago it will be a battle of words rather than violence. Johnson is between a rock and a hard place, he will fight like a cornered rat as he knows full well he would be faced with removing the Crown of Scotland and Balmoral from the Queen, success on the other hand will highlight the dictatorship of Westminster.

As a result of brexit, it is a war that the UK cannot win, "one nation conservatism" can only ever apply in England.

 

Feel free to post the usual childish comment, no doubt something warm and smelly will prevail.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/corbyn-road-residents-property-prices-labour-141619499.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9sb2dpbi55YWhvby5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADNt3-TvVxyGxDWoukHt2vYkf69IZM4jFyQNdVLezIEjGl368Ngr8mSBXPe-Xhvu-iws1XWIZ4YNvY6d4l7BSaJk38wXQCDd53jmmZTcI6wEb1NfuDbuDTt91D39VpxSyxMNQxPQOco-cCBFlDWP6gMlbqsZ_70gDnD3RQu6oQP8

[evadgib]

34 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Its hilarious. Prior to the election being called we were fighting off the Hard Brexiteers who had no regard for Parliamentary Democracy. Now we are fighting off nutty Labour supporters who think the votes should be totalled up in a different way. Stay away from the cranks I say.

Who's that 'we' you keep talking about? I had to take a fire extinguisher to my Boris bells yesterday & have ordered a new pair for the end of January! ????

 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, SheungWan said:

If the timing turns out to be bad then it wasn't such a good idea as market participants will tend to tell you. However, the conspiracy theory nuts' emphasis on the action taken by Brown is mostly peddled by the gold bugs who seem to pop up now and again.

What do you mean "if the timing turns out to be bad"?

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

There it is, the voice of reduced comprehension.

Of course "the people" have spoken, but there are "the people" of a particular persuasion that think they are "the people" and no other people exist.

Over the years "the people" of 63 countries have spoken and said that they would no longer be imprisoned by a dictatorial government, why should "the people" of Scotland not have the option to make it 64.

Make no mistake the battle has begun, but unlike the Irish a hundred years ago it will be a battle of words rather than violence. Johnson is between a rock and a hard place, he will fight like a cornered rat as he knows full well he would be faced with removing the Crown of Scotland and Balmoral from the Queen, success on the other hand will highlight the dictatorship of Westminster.

As a result of brexit, it is a war that the UK cannot win, "one nation conservatism" can only ever apply in England.

 

Feel free to post the usual childish comment, no doubt something warm and smelly will prevail.

Maybe because Scotland was part of this "dictatorial government", as you put it.

[nauseus]

20 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Who's that 'we' you keep talking about? I had to take a fire extinguisher to my Boris bells yesterday & have ordered a new pair for the end of January! ????

 

Did you order from Morrisons?

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, SheungWan said:

Its hilarious. Prior to the election being called we were fighting off the Hard Brexiteers who had no regard for Parliamentary Democracy. Now we are fighting off nutty Labour supporters who think the votes should be totalled up in a different way. Stay away from the cranks I say.

We or wee?

[Laughing Gravy]

22 hours ago, englishoak said:

 

She wont be smiling in a few weeks once the Alex Salmond trail starts and people start asking how she could be his No2 for years and see or notice nothing in either his character or ignore complaints...methinks her time is coming. 

Unless she turned a blind eye, knew about it or was a victim herself. Interesting times ahead.

[evadgib]

14 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Unless she turned a blind eye, knew about it or was a victim herself. Interesting times ahead.

Does he wear glasses?

 

(????)

[SheungWan]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

What do you mean "if the timing turns out to be bad"?

In market trading a decision to buy or sell might appear quite appropriate at the time but not so later.

[transam]

24 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

In market trading a decision to buy or sell might appear quite appropriate at the time but not so later.

Doom and gloom strikes again.....????

[nauseus]

29 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

In market trading a decision to buy or sell might appear quite appropriate at the time but not so later.

I hardly call selling off half of the nation's gold reserves a "market trading decision". Especially at 275 bucks an ounce! Most inappropriate - a loss of about USD 15B at today's prices. Typical of Broon the Buffoon. 

[SheungWan]

17 minutes ago, transam said:

Doom and gloom strikes again.....????

Well maybe, but if we can return to the subject at hand on this thread, one thing that needs to be clear is that anyone who wants to sell the idea that on any time scale into the future, any disillusionment with Boris (quite probable at some point) will lead to members of the electorate wishing they had voted for Corbyn needs to have their head examined.

[Forethat]

5 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Its hilarious. Prior to the election being called we were fighting off the Hard Brexiteers who had no regard for Parliamentary Democracy. Now we are fighting off nutty Labour supporters who think the votes should be totalled up in a different way. Stay away from the cranks I say.

Let's see if they can come up with a way of preventing the result of the election from being implemented. A 'people's vote', so to speak...

[englishoak]

2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Unless she turned a blind eye, knew about it or was a victim herself. Interesting times ahead.

 

The sheer thought Alex would have gone anywhere near that....  then again its Alex 

[Jip99]

6 hours ago, sandyf said:

Been taking lessons from a creative accountant? The whole brexit fiasco was based on population share.

The SNP came first or second in EVERY seat in Scotland, but no doubt you think the conservatives did better than that in England.

 

 

 

The Conservatives certainly did better; returned to power with a sizeable majority that endures there is no chance of Indyref2 in the near future.

 

SNP only hold any sway in a hung parliament - and that is only because that small country has a disproportionate number of seats.

[SheungWan]

53 minutes ago, Forethat said:

Let's see if they can come up with a way of preventing the result of the election from being implemented. A 'people's vote', so to speak...

Not possible. However there is an ongoing attempt to change perceptions of the voting outcome by lumping together UK totals of the opposition parties to spin a different story. This is just a deflection from the real story which is the collapse of the Corbynista project. Until that gets sorted out Labour are condemned to lose the next election as well, irrespective of alternative vote counting.

[sandyf]

22 hours ago, transam said:

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The usual irrelevant response.

[sandyf]

23 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Those who lose elections always tend to whine on about something that is off the point. The only vote that counts in a General election is the one that gets MPs elected. Lumping Labour and Lib Dems together to make some daft totals conclusion is pretty desperate and irrelevant.

Are you still trying to dispute that 52% figure from the election analysis.

[Rookiescot]

17 hours ago, Jip99 said:

 

The Conservatives certainly did better; returned to power with a sizeable majority that endures there is no chance of Indyref2 in the near future.

 

SNP only hold any sway in a hung parliament - and that is only because that small country has a disproportionate number of seats.

In order to guarantee independence we NEED Johnson to refuse another referendum. Will be the best thing to ever happen to the SNP. 

[newatthis]

16 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Are you still trying to dispute that 52% figure from the election analysis.

Why should people worry about your 52% figure when you did not have the moral fortitude to honour the 52% figure in the referendum.

[vogie]

14 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

In order to guarantee independence we NEED Johnson to refuse another referendum. Will be the best thing to ever happen to the SNP. 

A word of encouragement to you, I don't think you'll have anything to worry about Johnson refusing you another referendum.

[sandyf]

17 hours ago, Jip99 said:

 

The Conservatives certainly did better; returned to power with a sizeable majority that endures there is no chance of Indyref2 in the near future.

 

SNP only hold any sway in a hung parliament - and that is only because that small country has a disproportionate number of seats.

Fortunately it is not up to the views of those trying to defend the brexit position, like several other issues recently it will probably end up in the courts.

During the 2009 Kosovo hearings the UK went on record that international law prevailed and countries had a right to independence.

The only decision Bojo has to make is how nasty he wants it to get.

[sandyf]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

A word of encouragement to you, I don't think you'll have anything to worry about Johnson refusing you another referendum.

That is a foregone conclusion but the Section 30 must be rejected before the matter can be taken further, process must be followed.

This would then be followed by a consultative referendum which does not require Westminster approval and the result of that would then determine the next step.

[sandyf]

15 minutes ago, newatthis said:

Why should people worry about your 52% figure when you did not have the moral fortitude to honour the 52% figure in the referendum.

Good distortion, you should be asking why people want to dispute the figure.

[vogie]

Does anyone know who this guy is, Labour doesn't need an enquiry into what went wrong, they should just watch this video, he's good, "it's true"

 

 

[nkg]

3 hours ago, sandyf said:

That is a foregone conclusion but the Section 30 must be rejected before the matter can be taken further, process must be followed.

This would then be followed by a consultative referendum which does not require Westminster approval and the result of that would then determine the next step.

 

Hey, you're 7by7, aren't you? I would recognise your style of argument anywhere.

 

You just keep throwing down walls of text until people get bored of talking to you, and then declare yourself the winner.

 

Welcome back 7by7 ????

[sandyf]

1 hour ago, nkg said:

 

Hey, you're 7by7, aren't you? I would recognise your style of argument anywhere.

Best laugh I have had all day.

If you had paid attention you would have seen many a spat between 7by7 and myself.

[SheungWan]

4 hours ago, sandyf said:

Are you still trying to dispute that 52% figure from the election analysis.

Don't have to try. That total is bogus and irrelevant. The issue now is not parading around suggesting that the election is not democratic because of some made up figures. In the short term the argument re government is whether Boris flirts with Hard Brexit again. The Labour Party has no part in that discussion while Corbyn is still there as leader of the opposition or the Corbynistas continue their control of the Labour Party afterwards. Does anybody think the Labour Party still (if it ever did) represent Remain?