44 minutes ago, mogandave said:

What are the crimes the left has alleged in the impeachment? 
 

 

His crimes was so brazenly opened almost like asking to be impeached. Like a fumbling thief leaving evidences all over the place. His appointed staff officers were a wealth of evidences of his crime. Even blind Freddy can see his crimes. 

I guess the bottom line is that Donald J Trump is not going to be removed from office. Regardless of a million insults thrown on this board. Further, regardless of hatred for Trump, or the Republican party which is being expressed here, the current batch of Democrat candidates appears to not be capable of winning an election even if Donald Trump were not running. After Durham finishes, I expect that the thorough demolishion of the Obama CIA/FBI/Justice department will be a difficult hurdle for Democrats to overcome. Especially a candidate which is going to face further scrutiny over Burisma and his son's dealings in China as well. It's a very difficult road to travel. Consider that HIllary was considered to have it in the bag in 2016, that is certainly not what is being said about any of these candidates. None of them have the likability of Barack Obama that is for sure. 

considering that what the dems want to charge him with are made up and not even listed as impeachment crimes it really is a joke. The dems have not allowed the republicans to call witnesses or even ask questions without being over ruled, they have used partisan witnesses and their main witness said he thought it what was meant not what was actually said. This is one huge load of BS on the dems part to try to stop trump winning 2020 because they know they cant,even the public has turned against the dems over their lied and innuendo, it is simply one huge pathetic attempt to get back into office but they have failed badly, trump will be cleared in the senate and if they call witnesses they will show the world just how much the dems have lied to get there

17 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

His crimes was so brazenly opened almost like asking to be impeached. Like a fumbling thief leaving evidences all over the place. His appointed staff officers were a wealth of evidences of his crime. Even blind Freddy can see his crimes. 

What "crimes" are you referring to precisely? Exact reference please. 

14 minutes ago, seajae said:

considering that what the dems want to charge him with are made up and not even listed as impeachment crimes it really is a joke. The dems have not allowed the republicans to call witnesses or even ask questions without being over ruled, they have used partisan witnesses and their main witness said he thought it what was meant not what was actually said. This is one huge load of BS on the dems part to try to stop trump winning 2020 because they know they cant,even the public has turned against the dems over their lied and innuendo, it is simply one huge pathetic attempt to get back into office but they have failed badly, trump will be cleared in the senate and if they call witnesses they will show the world just how much the dems have lied to get there

Witnesses were not partisan and Trump refused that his best sycophants testify (such as Pompeo, Mulvaney, Giuliani, etc.). Testimonies and documents are converging and remain uncontested under oath.

13 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

What "crimes" are you referring to precisely? Exact reference please. 

Straight from Trump’s obfuscation playbook. 

4 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Straight from Trump’s obfuscation playbook. 

Their master's voice. Look at Trump's Twitter Litter. It's almost all impeachment. He's melting down. His head might actually explode before it's all over.

37 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

What "crimes" are you referring to precisely? Exact reference please. 

 

these anti trumpers have taken trolling to a new level.

one will refer to "crimes" another will say no crimes are needed.

they need to get their story straight.

 

one thing is for sure...there is no hard evidence of crimes...just a bunch of hearsay

and presumptions from a bunch of whiners. Even Sondland, whose testimony they cling to

gave presumptive testimony...and the doofus forgot to add the exculpatory bit to his written statement.

Where Trump clearly told him I WANT NOTHING..TELL ZELENSKY TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

 

 

4 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

these anti trumpers have taken trolling to a new level.

one will refer to "crimes" another will say no crimes are needed.

they need to get their story straight.

 

one thing is for sure...there is no hard evidence of crimes...just a bunch of hearsay

and presumptions from a bunch of whiners. Even Sondland, whose testimony they cling to

gave presumptive testimony...and the doofus forgot to add the exculpatory bit to his written statement.

Where Trump clearly told him I WANT NOTHING..TELL ZELENSKY TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

 

 

Yes 45 reportedly said that.

AFTER he was caught.

Let that sink in.

AFTER he was caught.

 

4 hours ago, WalkingOrders said:

I'm back. This will die in the Senate for certain. If no witnesses are called and it happens quickly that would be best. If not the Bidens will die on the sacrificial alter of an Impeachment trial as the intent of the President is a defense, and the intent of the President to look into corruption of HUNTER BIDEN and Joe Biden will be brought up. 

 

Trump is a genius...one way or another, he knew how to bring the spotlight on to the Bidens. Mission accomplished. Impeachment is a joke....its like the Dems scored a goal from a blatant offside position....no need for VAR.....the entire world sees it.

Let's suppose there was a order from Trump like this: DAMMIT I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT BURISMA AND THE BIDENS I NEED THAT LOOKED INTO AND A STATEMENT PUBLICLY OR NO AID, lets suppose Trump said that (even though he clearly did not) just for argument sake.

 

So what! Now it needs to be proved that Trump wanting to have Biden investigated, as well as having any involvement in 2016 election meddling investigated, or even the crowdstrike Server(s) (conspiracy theory or not), was not in the best interests in the United States of America, and opposed to something that favored Trump alone.

 

It has to be shown that the President was motivated only out of self interest, and NOT because Biden publicly bragged about having Burisma Prosecutor fired, and all the subsequent reporting that came to Trump's attention. Is it possible that Donald Trump actually saw that as corruption? Obviously if Biden's are corrupt that would affect Joe Biden's campaign but so what? So how is the President's motivation in his decision making going to be proved? One way or the other? The impeachment is on very weak ground, and it really does leave the door open for subsequent retaliations like this for "abuse of power" for decades to come. That is sad.

 

Abuse of Power? Every President is called out by the opposition for abuse of power. Every single one.

 

Obstruction of Congress? For refusing to honor Congressional subpoena? Then you go to the courts for relief. 

So what's left? Nothing

 

It is very bad what the Democrats have done here. Bad for the United States of America. In short term and long term.

 

What happened to all the arguments about Bribery? That were so eloquently made on this board?

The best thing for Democrats now is that this ends quickly without witnesses being called. Let the GOP vote it down and without to much argument in the Senate or the result could be Biden(s) Schiff + Staff, the so called whistle blower Eric Ciarammella and all his contacts, all testifying, and the exposure of all of that could be rough for the Democrats. 

Impeachment is a joke, he will be fine.

41 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

these anti trumpers have taken trolling to a new level.

one will refer to "crimes" another will say no crimes are needed.

they need to get their story straight.

 

one thing is for sure...there is no hard evidence of crimes...just a bunch of hearsay

and presumptions from a bunch of whiners. Even Sondland, whose testimony they cling to

gave presumptive testimony...and the doofus forgot to add the exculpatory bit to his written statement.

Where Trump clearly told him I WANT NOTHING..TELL ZELENSKY TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

 

 

 

36 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes 45 reportedly said that.

AFTER he was caught.

Let that sink in.

AFTER he was caught.

 

Isn't it the phantom call of which the WH has no record? ????

45 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

Trump is a genius...one way or another, he knew how to bring the spotlight on to the Bidens. Mission accomplished. Impeachment is a joke....its like the Dems scored a goal from a blatant offside position....no need for VAR.....the entire world sees it.

When you surrounded by close associates who were convicted and in jail, genius is rather rich. He is call Don for a reason. 
 

 

 

19 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

has to be shown that the President was motivated only out of self interest, and NOT because Biden publicly bragged about having Burisma Prosecutor fired, and all the subsequent reporting that came to Trump's attention. Is it possible that Donald Trump actually saw that as corruption? Obviously if Biden's are corrupt that would affect Joe Biden's campaign but so what? So how is the President's motivation in his decision making going to be proved? One way or the other? The impeachment is on very weak ground, and it really does leave the door open for subsequent retaliations like this for "abuse of power" for decades to come. That is sad

Please, not the same lame argument again. Trump tried to revive two debunked conspiracy theories for the sake of the Nation and not out of self interest? ????

 

Anyway, if there were a legitimate motive, the DOJ would have opened an investigation. Trump would not have needed a crooked way to discredit the Bidens and the Russian interference in the elections.

Bill, what are you doing? ????

Imo bottom line trump could give a rats rear end about corruption he just got tagged for 2 million on his scam charity I don’t recall how much he got tagged for his scam university not to mention how many venders he ripped off or real estate investors he bilked so please stop the bs about corruption this is an incredibly inept way to slander a rival.unfourantly the republicans are 100% intimidated by this guy also they have no viable alternative except Romney a sad day for America if trump get away with it

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Straight from Trump’s obfuscation playbook. 

so no crimes then that you precisely specify?

38 minutes ago, Tug said:

Imo bottom line trump could give a rats rear end about corruption he just got tagged for 2 million on his scam charity I don’t recall how much he got tagged for his scam university not to mention how many venders he ripped off or real estate investors he bilked so please stop the bs about corruption this is an incredibly inept way to slander a rival.unfourantly the republicans are 100% intimidated by this guy also they have no viable alternative except Romney a sad day for America if trump get away with it

? Have you heard of Nikki Haley? First woman president, first minority president, first woman of color president, first natural Indian president, first Sikh president who identifies as Christian. Tough as nails.

 

18 minutes ago, rabas said:

? Have you heard of Nikki Haley? First woman president, first minority president, first woman of color president, first natural Indian president, first Sikh president who identifies as Christian. Tough as nails.

 

Haley? I just about puked at the thought. 

 

Better options come from the business world. People who aren't career politicians and are used to running large operations while making money. Mark Cuban's name has come up. Not sure he'd be the right person but the right person is truly someone outside of the political world. Politicians get nothing accomplished.

34 minutes ago, Tounge Thaied said:

I was responding to the claim that Schiff explained the articles of impeachment "Clear and Simply"... for which all he did was attempt to obfuscate even more the entire circus show trial that came up with nothing. No evidence of ANY crime. Btw, all three previous impeached presidents were done so based upon a crime. Not one crime has been found here by the democrats, so they switched to the Quid Pro Quo argument, for which they end up with only one so called witness Sondland that said he did have direct talks with Trump about it but simply made a "GUESS" that a Quid Pro Quo occurred. Sondland had no evidence. It is hearsay to say the least. So in summary, the democrats are going to impeach a president for someone's "GUESS". If you watched the entire proceedings, Yawn, you have a lot of time on your hands, then produce a quote, a document, a person anything during those proceedings that offer anything worthy of all of this BS.

Yawn. The usual deflection.

Multiple converging testimonies and facts have been collected. No facts or testimonies have been produced to contradict them.

4 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

His crimes was so brazenly opened almost like asking to be impeached. Like a fumbling thief leaving evidences all over the place. His appointed staff officers were a wealth of evidences of his crime. Even blind Freddy can see his crimes. 

So what were the crimes, and why are they not included in the articles of impeachment?

Just now, candide said:

Yawn. The usual deflection.

Multiple converging testimonies and facts have been collected. No facts or testimonies have been produced to contradict them.

And you think president's get thrown out of office for facts? Facts of what? No high crime or misdemeanor has been put forth. <deleted> are you talking about? Deflection of what crime?

1 minute ago, Tounge Thaied said:

And you think president's get thrown out of office for facts? Facts of what? No high crime or misdemeanor has been put forth. <deleted> are you talking about? Deflection of what crime?

Read the impeachment report. 

Just now, candide said:

Read the impeachment report. 

You mean the one that does not include an actual crime? 

5 minutes ago, candide said:

Multiple converging testimonies and facts have been collected. No facts or testimonies have been produced to contradict them.

 

Testimonies comprising presumptions/hearsay/personal opinions - Evidence = Hot Air.

 

Nothing to contradict here. 

 

You say Trump did something bad....you have no proof to back your claim. It's not Trump's job to provide witness

testimony to counter your opinions. If you have facts, then show them....we have already seen the released transcript of the call. That is factual material that contradicts everything these far removed witnesses are saying.

 

None of the lies Schiff spouts is in the official transcript that has been confirmed by vindman.

10 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

Sad, sad days for the US, the Republican party

Why? Thanks to the Democrats in Congress, the party is stronger than ever.

2 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

Testimonies comprising presumptions/hearsay/personal opinions - Evidence = Hot Air.

 

Nothing to contradict here. 

 

You say Trump did something bad....you have no proof to back your claim. It's not Trump's job to provide witness

testimony to counter your opinions. If you have facts, then show them....we have already seen the released transcript of the call. That is factual material that contradicts everything these far removed witnesses are saying.

 

None of the lies Schiff spouts is in the official transcript that has been confirmed by vindman.

 

They are trying to claim that not participating in his own lynching is 'obstruction of congress'. LOL 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/articles-impeachment-show-democrats-are-ones-obstructing-justice-ncna1101981

1 minute ago, Longcut said:

Why? Thanks to the Democrats in Congress, the party is stronger than ever.

 

The dems are blinded by this now. They are like a sailor on the ship who thinks the ocean is rising when it is obvious to everybody else the ship is sinking.

19 minutes ago, candide said:

Yawn. The usual deflection.

Multiple converging testimonies and facts have been collected. No facts or testimonies have been produced to contradict them.

But the 45 cult of personality adherents aren't actually interested in answers or facts. Total brick wall. 

24 minutes ago, candide said:

Read the impeachment report. 

Yep... went through again. Nope. No crime. The whole document is ludicrous. No crime. Not one crime mentioned in the entire document. Page 102 is surely the smoking gun... the request to investigate the Bidens goes like this.

"President Trump then returned to his requested 'favor' asking president Zelensky about the 'the other thing'" What a joke. That is the entire context of the so called Quid Pro Quo. And <deleted> is the "Three Amigos" language about. Who puts language like that in the table of contents for an article of impeachment. This thing is a joke as was expected after the joke circus show Schiff put on. Did you you know Schiff is also in bed with Ukrainians. That's right... look it up. 

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6566093-House-impeachment-report-PDF.html