Land clearance on large plot on Dong Tan beach - anyone got definite info?

[Card]

If the land will be cropped there are not many crops that will grow on such sandy soil with poor nutrient levels, leaching of nutrients, possibly salty, water stress. Forestry is a strong possibility, incl acacia, but bananas are my favourite guess (low maintenance, easy removal when required, sell the crop) but cassava and coconuts are others. The tall trees have been left standing so far.

Edited December 15, 2019 by Card

[Card]

8 hours ago, jastheace said:

no. if it was low level building/ development.

high rise, wouldn't matter so much, as piles would be driven.

maybe something for pattaya park, tourist attraction/ water park/ family play area ? hope that's it. the Benidorm model doesn't bear thinking about. the 'build it and they will come' mentally of developers is scary though...

best outcome for the immediate future is that idea of tax avoidance, farming the land.

Are you really saying that 'low level' buildings on deep sandy soil do not require piles and that a builder would create a large number of big pockets of dead timber in a ground that he is about to build on, high rise or not, instead of just carting it away? I have never heard anything so improbable since trump labelled himself the best president in history.

[Henryford]

My guess is that it's being reserved for the Pattaya Casino when it finally gets the go ahead.  Big bucks there for the owners.

[jacko45k]

21 minutes ago, Henryford said:

My guess is that it's being reserved for the Pattaya Casino when it finally gets the go ahead.  Big bucks there for the owners.

Are you being facetious or really believe that? Quite a few barriers to clear before that can go ahead... and Casinos don't need such a pleasant view!

[Card]

6 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Are you being facetious or really believe that? Quite a few barriers to clear before that can go ahead... and Casinos don't need such a pleasant view!

Agree, there are some really silly suggestions. Most are either from trolls or based on rumours but some people actually believe and spread the silliest of the silly. 

[mahjongguy]

Since no facts have yet surfaced:

 

It may be that the property owner is clearing the land to make it more attractive to potential buyers. Or, if there has been a complaint, simply that they are complying with the long-standing law regarding undergrowth on empty land.

 

If this is about the punishing new property taxes on unused property coming into effect, then planting a commercial crop would indeed save the owner millions of baht annually. I like the idea of sunflowers but there's no doubt that bananas would be the right choice. 

 

In our mooban by the beach there are five empty lots of about 100 wah each. This time last year my partner planted eighty bananas. Just bought the stalks and stuck them in the sandy salty "soil". They've never been watered. He just mulched them with grass clippings from the surrounding houses. They have thrived and provide the mooban a near-continuous supply of wonderfully tasty fruit.  

 

By the way, these aren't the endangered Cavendish that you grew up with. They are Gluay Naam Waa, sweeter and tastier.

 

 

[Card]

25 minutes ago, mahjongguy said:

Since no facts have yet surfaced:

 

It may be that the property owner is clearing the land to make it more attractive to potential buyers. Or, if there has been a complaint, simply that they are complying with the long-standing law regarding undergrowth on empty land.

 

If this is about the punishing new property taxes on unused property coming into effect, then planting a commercial crop would indeed save the owner millions of baht annually. I like the idea of sunflowers but there's no doubt that bananas would be the right choice. 

 

In our mooban by the beach there are five empty lots of about 100 wah each. This time last year my partner planted eighty bananas. Just bought the stalks and stuck them in the sandy salty "soil". They've never been watered. He just mulched them with grass clippings from the surrounding houses. They have thrived and provide the mooban a near-continuous supply of wonderfully tasty fruit.  

 

By the way, these aren't the endangered Cavendish that you grew up with. They are Gluay Naam Waa, sweeter and tastier.

 

 

I have provided you with several relevant facts:

 

1. No suitable access to a developed site except from Thappraya and that possibility is doubtful. In addition there are no signs of work on an access road across the adjacent site that would be needed if the site was to be developed. Access via beach road would not be allowed for such construction work and it is not allowed between 10 am to 5 pm. An access road is the first infastructure needed to develop a site.

2. The large scale burying of felled bushes and trees indicates building will not take place on the site anytime soon. 

 

My bet is on bananas!!!! 

 

I congratulate 'sometime' for his suggestion regarding vacant land tax - well done 'sometime'!

 

The plot owner may have handed over the management to a farmer who gets the wood and bananas in return. 

Edited December 16, 2019 by Card

[jastheace]

4 hours ago, Henryford said:

My guess is that it's being reserved for the Pattaya Casino when it finally gets the go ahead.  Big bucks there for the owners.

let's hope so, perfect solution for this piece of wasteland. higher the better IMHO.

[baansgr]

Retirement home for the aging out of work bar girls.

[jacko45k]

3 hours ago, baansgr said:

Retirement home for the aging out of work bar girls.

For when Soi Buakhao gets leveled?

[johng]

They seem to have removed the shrubs and maybe raised the level a bit ?

screen capture from today

[Card]

18 minutes ago, johng said:

They seem to have removed the shrubs and maybe raised the level a bit ?

screen capture from today

They should finish the clearance today or tomorrow the latest. No they have not raised the land just exposed it. The sloping bank was probably the original limit of the beach area.

Edited December 18, 2019 by Card

[shdmn]

I know that the same company that is doing the high speed rail line to Pattaya is also planning to build a huge mall somewhere in South Pattaya.  Possibly tying it in with the the train station.  But that particular location seems more suitable for a condo project than a mall.

 

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Thailand-s-CP-plans-330m-seaside-hub-linked-to-high-speed-rail

 

Edited December 18, 2019 by shdmn

[Card]

29 minutes ago, shdmn said:

I know that the same company that is doing the high speed rail line to Pattaya is also planning to build a huge mall somewhere in South Pattaya.  Possibly tying it in with the the train station.  But that particular location seems more suitable for a condo project than a mall.

 

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Thailand-s-CP-plans-330m-seaside-hub-linked-to-high-speed-rail

 

It isn't planned for 'South Pattaya' but "south of the city" of Pattaya, which means somewhere outside the conurbation, presumably near a train station. No way would it be this plot. This plot is about to become an agricultural tax-avoiding one by all accounts.

[LennyW]

1 hour ago, Card said:

This plot is about to become an agricultural tax-avoiding one by all accounts.

By one guess and your enthusiasm for that guess? sorted then ????

[Card]

12 minutes ago, LennyW said:

By one guess and your enthusiasm for that guess? sorted then ????

So explain no suitable access and pits full of felled trees all over the plot. Go on.

[Card]

Preparation for planting has started. So far a couple of workers are adding white powder, which I assume is fertilizer, to localised areas. So far have completed 2 rows about 6 metres apart with a space within a row of about 4 metres, rough guess, using a measuring rod. I still plump for bananas.

[champers]

On 12/16/2019 at 10:03 AM, mahjongguy said:

Since no facts have yet surfaced:

 

It may be that the property owner is clearing the land to make it more attractive to potential buyers. Or, if there has been a complaint, simply that they are complying with the long-standing law regarding undergrowth on empty land.

 

If this is about the punishing new property taxes on unused property coming into effect, then planting a commercial crop would indeed save the owner millions of baht annually. I like the idea of sunflowers but there's no doubt that bananas would be the right choice. 

 

In our mooban by the beach there are five empty lots of about 100 wah each. This time last year my partner planted eighty bananas. Just bought the stalks and stuck them in the sandy salty "soil". They've never been watered. He just mulched them with grass clippings from the surrounding houses. They have thrived and provide the mooban a near-continuous supply of wonderfully tasty fruit.  

 

By the way, these aren't the endangered Cavendish that you grew up with. They are Gluay Naam Waa, sweeter and tastier.

 

 

Report in the press yesterday that an enormous lemon grove has appeared on a tract of land in the middle of Bangkok. Commercial enterprises with land banks are getting around the property tax law by using the land for agriculture.

[Card]

7 minutes ago, champers said:

Report in the press yesterday that an enormous lemon grove has appeared on a tract of land in the middle of Bangkok. Commercial enterprises with land banks are getting around the property tax law by using the land for agriculture.

Exactly and thx for the info. Pity they can't just leave the land as a refuge for birds, insects and other urban wildlife instead of cropping these areas. Even soi dogs deserve some respite.

 

Edited December 25, 2019 by Card

[Card]

Well, I was right about the land being prepared for a crop, just got the crop wrong. It isn't bananas after all, it's date palm (see attached). I am looking forward to freshly picked dates from a stall on Dongtan!!!

[Leaver]

8 minutes ago, Card said:

Well, I was right about the land being prepared for a crop, just got the crop wrong. It isn't bananas after all, it's date palm (see attached). I am looking forward to freshly picked dates from a stall on Dongtan!!!

Yes, in 15 years time.  Will you still be here, or alive, for that matter?  ????

[Guderian]

I heard that they're going to build a dry dock and submarine pens there to service their new underwater fleet...lol.

[Card]

On 8/23/2020 at 10:02 PM, Leaver said:

Yes, in 15 years time.  Will you still be here, or alive, for that matter?  ????

Maybe not but no need to be. 4 or 5  years should be enough. Can't wait to sample them.

[mahjongguy]

Date palms could be a profitable choice, above and beyond the avoidance of property tax. The fruit commands a high price. Not so popular in Thailand (too sweet!) but good for export.

[Card]

6 hours ago, mahjongguy said:

Date palms could be a profitable choice, above and beyond the avoidance of property tax. The fruit commands a high price. Not so popular in Thailand (too sweet!) but good for export.

Since when did Thais not like sweet fruits? You can buy fresh dates in supermarkets now and yes they are of medium price and really delicious! They are becoming very popular in Thailand as fresh, rather than preserved fruit. That'd probably be the reason they were chosen for that plot of land.

[Card]

On 8/25/2020 at 4:56 PM, mahjongguy said:

Date palms could be a profitable choice, above and beyond the avoidance of property tax. The fruit commands a high price. Not so popular in Thailand (too sweet!) but good for export.

See attached. Taken today.

[mahjongguy]

The sign shown above from Makro uses the colloquial term Chinese date but it is Ziziphus jujubabe, or jujube, a fruit which is very popular in Thailand. It is pleasantly sweet, much less candy-like than date palm fruit.   

 

jujube: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=พุทราอินเดีย&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAAFkAJv_CAMSCy9nLzEyMHg1Y3owIgkvbS8wNmJxc3cqHk9yZ2FuaXNtQ2xhc3NpZmljYXRpb25TaWRld2F5c6IFJOC4nuC4uOC4l-C4o-C4suC4reC4tOC4meC5gOC4lOC4teC4orgFAe5ZYURkAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiRh-OK4rjrAhWUH7cAHcJAA1UQxA0wIXoECAkQBQ

 

date palm: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=อินทผลัม&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAAFXAKj_CAMSCy9nLzEyMHg1Y3owIggvbS8wbTBnYyoeT3JnYW5pc21DbGFzc2lmaWNhdGlvblNpZGV3YXlzogUY4Lit4Li04LiZ4LiX4Lic4Lil4Lix4LihuAUBd9YyCVcAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiRh-OK4rjrAhWUH7cAHcJAA1UQxA0wIXoECAkQCw

 

 

[Leaver]

On 8/25/2020 at 2:52 PM, Card said:

Maybe not but no need to be. 4 or 5  years should be enough. Can't wait to sample them.

How do you know you will still like living here in 5 years?  How do you know you will still be able to be living here in 5 years?

[LennyW]

Looks like normal Oil Palms to me?

[Card]

29 minutes ago, LennyW said:

Looks like normal Oil Palms to me?

At that age normal oil palms look identical to normal date palms. My money is on date palms as they would involve no processing, little transport and command a much higher market price and profit.