Aussie999 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 On 12/31/2019 at 10:52 AM, Phuketshrew said: Just wondering whether the armed forces and their resources have been mobilized? Yes they have, but remember armed forces are NOT trained fighfighters, but they are being used wherever they can, eg, heavy machinery, aircraft, of all types, ships/boats to evacuate etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie999 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 On 12/31/2019 at 4:19 PM, marko kok prong said: It could be horrendous this if the fire burns to the shore people will boil in the sea,a glimpse of things to come for all the world,terriyfying ,half of a continent is burning. The sea will NOT boil...geez... and half the country is NOTburning, it's an area about the size of Belgium..... fake news mate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie999 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 On 1/1/2020 at 6:56 AM, thaibeachlovers said: Why don't people have filled water tanks at the ready with petrol powered 2" or more water pumps and hoses and masks to match is my question. That makes sense. At the least either a swimming pool or a large water tank. Years ago I read about a guy that had a large water tank with sprinklers along the roof. When the fire came the sprinklers saved his house by keeping the walls wet. At the very least all houses in a fire zone should be built from or clad with fireproof material. Boggles the mind how unprepared a lot of people are. I gave up wondering at human willful blindness and unwillingness to face reality. People build houses in fire zones because it's beautiful, but they don't want to think about possible consequences. I think it's because the nanny state has removed people's critical thinking- it's all someone else's job to think about consequences. How often do you think these fires affect these areas...yes, they have fires, but these ones are unprecedented (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/dec/25/factcheck-why-australias-monster-2019-bushfires-are-unprecedented) some areas have been in drought for 3-5 years, tanks are empty, scheme water doesn't have much pressure, or high rate of flow, to fight these fires, someone, on this site, even suggested buckets... how dumb can they be. "I think it's because the nanny state has removed people's critical thinking- it's all someone else's job to think about consequences" Shame on You. You have no idea how these people "think," yet you sit, at a keyboard, in judgement.. how low can you go. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie999 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) On 1/1/2020 at 7:00 AM, thaibeachlovers said: As far as possible in the time available and the people able. Everyone has a bucket with sand or dirt and something to attack spot fires. or, would you prefer everyone to stand around crying and waiting to burn because it's someone else's job to save them? You really have no idea what these fires are like, and how many spot fires can start, and spread, do you really think someone can stand where an ember will fall... geez, dumb as. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/video/2019/dec/31/australian-firefighters-capture-moment-truck-overrun-bushfire-video Edited January 4, 2020 by Aussie999 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie999 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 On 1/1/2020 at 7:05 AM, thaibeachlovers said: I think you posted the wrong response to him. It's the same as the one you used for my question. He asked about smoke jumpers, and you didn't answer that question. Does Australia have the large flying boats that scoop up water to dump on fires like the US? I hope the greens are exposed to public outrage if they stopped undergrowth clearing. WE have many aircraft, the largest is a 737... a bit of research would help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie999 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 On 1/1/2020 at 7:13 AM, thaibeachlovers said: I'm well aware. I grew up on stories of the firestorms in Germany and Japan in WW2. That's why I posted the bit about the guy who saved his own house. and how about the ones that have died, trying to defend their homes.... you sir, are very wrong. Talking about cities burning, has no relevance to these fires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie999 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 On 1/1/2020 at 12:01 PM, RJRS1301 said: There are over one hundred fires burning across NSW alone, has been going on for several months now, after a 3 year drought. One thousand buildings gone, several lives lost. Firestorms create there own weather , A firestorm is a conflagration which attains such intensity that it creates and sustains its own wind system. It is most commonly a natural phenomenon, created during some of the largest bush fires and wildfires .Firestorms also explode the air in front of them due to intense heat conditions, buildings spontaneously explode. Combined with its own wind pattern driven by 40klm external wind gusts. Over 2000 volunteers on the ground fighting them across NSW, backed up professionals from across NSW, Canada and NZ. Months over over 35 degree heatwave. Some of the fire-fronts are hundreds of kilometers across Similar happening in South Australia, Queensland, Victoria and Western Australia, over 400,000 hectares have been burned since November. Chainsaws to clear debris is like pissing in the wind in this , firebreaks are cut continuously, but fires are jumping them, embers are travelling up to 10 klm in front of the fires Army also being used along with helicopters and fire bombing retarding jet aircraft Firebreaks rarely stop a fire... but are used mainly to give firefighters access. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie999 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 On 1/1/2020 at 2:29 PM, thaibeachlovers said: Well said. Prevention is always the best way. Wonder if things will change now, or if we'll be reading the same stories in a couple of years time. Mmmm.. what a lot of people do NOT understand is that the Australian bush has evolved with bushfires, in fact some fauna requires the intense heat, of a summer burn, to germinate its seeds, as for the Aboriginals, yes, they burn off, in fact they destroyed the rainforest that once extended across the top of Australia, from the west coast to the east, they burn off to make it easier to hunt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie999 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 On 1/1/2020 at 7:21 PM, Salerno said: Where did you hear that <deleted>? It's a well known fact, for those that live here... it's for safety reasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie999 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 On 1/1/2020 at 7:56 PM, Salerno said: Please try and explain a fact, I'm listening. How do you think the power gets to these communities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie999 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 On 1/2/2020 at 8:01 AM, BB1958 said: The "numbers" themselves are undoubtedly correct, what is missing is the "composition" of the particulates. It is not safe to breathe this level of atmospheric pollution ANYWHERE, however, if one was in Chiang Mai, Beijing, Bangkok or Mumbai for example, the composition of the particulates would be exponentially more dangerous to ones health, than Canberra. Simple searches across the internet, will confirm my ramblings, this Chinese documentary is brilliant, Chai Jing, is compelling. (NOTE: If you intend to watch, it has been "dubbed" into English) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiTgzoZQewM and let's not forget, Canberra's air will return to clean air, after the fires are out, the other cities won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie999 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 On 1/2/2020 at 8:10 AM, RJRS1301 said: The opposition leader could not sell his complex message to the brainwashed voters. They seem to like to be led by conservatives with the same vision as many conservatives elsewhere, saves them doing analytical thinking. Scare tactics work well also. But he is now leader and should lead during a national crisis from west coast across to the east. well actually, did we "vote" him back in...look closely at the results..Liberals 44... Labour 68, Liberals got in by their coalition votes... I must say, NO-ONE voted for a "Coalition" government, so in fact Scomo doesn't really have a mandate, and Australia gets a government NO-ONE voted for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salerno Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Aussie999 said: It's a well known fact, for those that live here... it's for safety reasons. I see; so that'd be why they are frantically trying to restore power that has been cut by the fires? Such a well known fact I've never heard of it happening in Vic (which is the State relevant to this part of the discussion). Guarantee cutting power to an area under threat of a bushfire is not standard operating procedure as the poster I replied to was alluding to. So for safety, we'll cut of the electricity <deleted> those on life support, using electric pumps for sprinkler or hose systems, trying to fill up their car at petrol stations so they can evacuate, trying to fill up firefighting vehicles at petrol stations, trying to charge mobile phones or relying on landlines or computers/TVs for getting emergency warnings. And guess what, we'll do that without any notification on any news outlets or warning channels Edited January 4, 2020 by Salerno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie999 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 30 minutes ago, Aussie999 said: Mmmm.. what a lot of people do NOT understand is that the Australian bush has evolved with bushfires, in fact some fauna requires the intense heat, of a summer burn, to germinate its seeds, as for the Aboriginals, yes, they burn off, in fact they destroyed the rainforest that once extended across the top of Australia, from the west coast to the east, they burn off to make it easier to hunt. fuana should be flora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie999 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Salerno said: I see; so that'd be why they are frantically trying to restore power that has been cut by the fires? Such a well known fact I've never heard of it happening in Vic (which is the State relevant to this part of the discussion). So for safety, we'll cut of the electricity <deleted> those on life support, using electric pumps for sprinkler or hose systems, trying to charge mobile phones or relying on landlines or computers/TVs for getting emergency warnings. And guess what, we'll do that without any notification on any news outlets or warning channels Power is being restored, when it is "safe" to do so... really mate, you are trying to debate on an issue you do not understand. Mate," we'll cut of the electricity <deleted> those on life support" they do actually evacuate people... you must be nuts to think they wouldn't.. keep up with the news, most of your stupid questions have been answered. And before you reply, most of these towns have already lost power, by the lines burning down... you cannot rely on electricity supplies during these fires... Edited January 4, 2020 by Aussie999 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salerno Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Link to an article stating power companies have switched off power in Victoria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Pretty jolly hot here today..nudging 40C..on the verandah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RJRS1301 Posted January 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Aussie999 said: On 1/1/2020 at 9:56 AM, thaibeachlovers said: Why don't people have filled water tanks at the ready with petrol powered 2" or more water pumps and hoses and masks to match is my question. That makes sense. At the least either a swimming pool or a large water tank. Years ago I read about a guy that had a large water tank with sprinklers along the roof. When the fire came the sprinklers saved his house by keeping the walls wet. At the very least all houses in a fire zone should be built from or clad with fireproof material. I. A person who took shelter in half filled tank has died this week 2. We have had drought for 3 years 3 Towns have run out of drinking water, and have to have it shipped in, 4. Cost of roof sprinklers (our home cost a small fortune ) and we still lost many out buildings 5 Fuel explodes during firestorms 6 If they could fill swimming pools they have done that. When you have a fire with front of several (up to 60 klm) and driven byn it own created winds of about 50klm an hour (min) and embers coming from20 klm away, it is hard to imagine unless you have experienced it 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie999 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, RJRS1301 said: I. A person who took shelter in half filled tank has died this week 2. We have had drought for 3 years 3 Towns have run out of drinking water, and have to have it shipped in, 4. Cost of roof sprinklers (our home cost a small fortune ) and we still lost many out buildings 5 Fuel explodes during firestorms 6 If they could fill swimming pools they have done that. When you have a fire with front of several (up to 60 klm) and driven byn it own created winds of about 50klm an hour (min) and embers coming from20 klm away, it is hard to imagine unless you have experienced it So true, it pisses me off when we get some posts here from people who just don't know, and yet give their "expert" opinions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRS1301 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Aussie999 said: So true, it pisses me off when we get some posts here from people who just don't know, and yet give their "expert" opinions. I think he was trying to understand, but offering unhelpful solutions to a very complex set of weather conditions. Which have been in play since late October early November, and places which have never in recorded European history had bushfires are now ground zero I am sure he is better informed by now, especailly if he has looked at any online footage. Two dead on Kangaroo Island found in their car, and we are informed if trapped remain in your vehicle and take a set of prescribed precautions Edited January 4, 2020 by RJRS1301 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevvy Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Aussie999 said: You really have no idea what these fires are like, and how many spot fires can start, and spread, do you really think someone can stand where an ember will fall... geez, dumb as. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/video/2019/dec/31/australian-firefighters-capture-moment-truck-overrun-bushfire-video 3 hours ago, Aussie999 said: Mmmm.. what a lot of people do NOT understand is that the Australian bush has evolved with bushfires, in fact some fauna requires the intense heat, of a summer burn, to germinate its seeds, as for the Aboriginals, yes, they burn off, in fact they destroyed the rainforest that once extended across the top of Australia, from the west coast to the east, they burn off to make it easier to hunt. as I said "thaibeachlover" know jack<deleted>te.. about the history of Australian fires . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevvy Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, RJRS1301 said: I. A person who took shelter in half filled tank has died this week 2. We have had drought for 3 years 3 Towns have run out of drinking water, and have to have it shipped in, 4. Cost of roof sprinklers (our home cost a small fortune ) and we still lost many out buildings 5 Fuel explodes during firestorms 6 If they could fill swimming pools they have done that. When you have a fire with front of several (up to 60 klm) and driven byn it own created winds of about 50klm an hour (min) and embers coming from20 klm away, it is hard to imagine unless you have experienced it Heh, Thaibeachlovers knows everything about the bush fires , The radiant heat will burn the home before the actual fire gets there .But , he knows this ..RIGHT.. Edited January 4, 2020 by kevvy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRS1301 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Problem is people inagine one ember, or something like a flurry from a fireplace, not sky full of them showering down like hot snow driven by high winds covering kilometers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRS1301 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, kevvy said: Heh, Thaibeachlovers knows everything about the bush fires , The radiant heat will burn the home before the actual fire gets there .But , he knows this ..RIGHT.. They explode as happened here to some of our outbuildings. The air explodes inside and around them, and if there if there is fuel stored in them as many out building have, or farming equipment with fuel tanks, then "good night nurse" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 A quick question. I saw the video a couple of days ago of the fire-fighters trapped in their vehicle, putting up blankets to the windows as the fire raged outside. I wondered why the fuel in the tank didn't explode. Presumably well sealed and the fire not hot enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, bannork said: A quick question. I saw the video a couple of days ago of the fire-fighters trapped in their vehicle, putting up blankets to the windows as the fire raged outside. I wondered why the fuel in the tank didn't explode. Presumably well sealed and the fire not hot enough. Diesel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRS1301 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, bannork said: A quick question. I saw the video a couple of days ago of the fire-fighters trapped in their vehicle, putting up blankets to the windows as the fire raged outside. I wondered why the fuel in the tank didn't explode. Presumably well sealed and the fire not hot enough. The diesel generally will not ignite from a flame, but at sufficient heat it will explode, I do not know what temperate that is though Just looked it up abput 200deg celcius Edited January 4, 2020 by RJRS1301 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said: The diesel generally will not ignite from a flame, but at sufficient heat it will explode, I do not know what temperate that is though https://forestresources.org/digital-magazine/item/329-diesel-fuel-vapor-hazards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRS1301 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Don Mega said: https://forestresources.org/digital-magazine/item/329-diesel-fuel-vapor-hazards Cheers Just went to home handbook for storage of chemicals and fuels amazing the <deleted> you find in your library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Well..to repeat..it is officially 37 C here but 41.1 C on my verandah.. Everyone is waiting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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