stevenl Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, KhunBENQ said: From Aviation Herald: http://avherald.com/h?article=4d1aea51&opt=0 No mention of any unusual communication or the like. No, you will not yet find that communication (if any) on Aviation Herald. Doesn't mean they did not warn ATC of a fire raging on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Whatever the cause: a terrible blow for the airlines flying through (to/from) the gulf area. Would you book? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas J Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Video is pretty convincing that the plane was on fire prior to the crash. That would seem to indicate some sort of bomb on board or a missile hitting the plane. Mechanical failures would not have caused the plane to catch fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 23 minutes ago, Thomas J said: Video is pretty convincing that the plane was on fire prior to the crash. That would seem to indicate some sort of bomb on board or a missile hitting the plane. Mechanical failures would not have caused the plane to catch fire. It looked like burst of fire or what appeared to be a explosion before it descended 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Some troll posts have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend49 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Crossy said: There are reports of a potential shoot-down either accidental or deliberate ???? https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/628650-ukrainian-aircraft-down-iran.html not reports, rumors look at the link I didnt even bother opening it " rumours-news" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend49 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 hour ago, car720 said: No. Not a Max. All MAX operators where instructed to ground those aircraft along time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) The video of the burning plane in the sky is suspicions, if authentic. More telling are pieces of the wing and fuselage that appear to have many holes that look like missile warhead shrapnel damage. The holes are very similar to those in MH17's left side in the same location. Holes from top (relative to plane's fuselage all the way down to the wing. Part of the wreckage from Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752, a Boeing 737-800 plane that crashed after taking off from Tehran's Imam Khomeini airport on January 8, 2020. https://www.voanews.com/middle-east/voa-news-iran/ukrainian-plane-crashes-iran-killing-176 Wing part, holes in the left side relative to the image. Edited January 8, 2020 by rabas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Despite the recent protests seemingly have quietened since the US assassination apparently due to the collective nationalist sentiment of the Iranian population does not eliminate the very real possibility that an individual or group of diehards took advantage of the moment to complicate and escalate ? RIP to the victims regardless of any coincidental cause. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 MH17 shrapnel holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post natway09 Posted January 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2020 This is only the start (unfortunately) To all you war mongerers I say, you are getting your wish, millions will die if calm heads do not prevail which also means Trump has to go 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rabas Posted January 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2020 14 minutes ago, legend49 said: 3 hours ago, Crossy said: There are reports of a potential shoot-down either accidental or deliberate ???? https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/628650-ukrainian-aircraft-down-iran.html not reports, rumors look at the link I didnt even bother opening it " rumours-news" PPRuNe stands for Professional Pilot's Rumour Network. That's just a name. PPRuNe is the professional website for aviation professionals. Famous. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 33 minutes ago, natway09 said: This is only the start (unfortunately) To all you war mongerers I say, you are getting your wish, millions will die if calm heads do not prevail which also means Trump has to go Stop worrying. As soon as the markets drop five percent, Trump will be on the phone inviting the Iranians to the White House and promising to conduct religious services with a Koran. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Reuters now saying Engine failure, not missile, caused crash of Ukrainian airliner in Iran: Ukrainian embassy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, rabas said: Reuters now saying Engine failure, not missile, caused crash of Ukrainian airliner in Iran: Ukrainian embassy Figured that all out in record time, then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoon Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Crossy said: There are reports of a potential shoot-down either accidental or deliberate ???? https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/628650-ukrainian-aircraft-down-iran.html The original claim came from Al-Hadath, Jordanian News. On behalf of Saudi......or Israel? Lets keep those rumours "flying" Edited January 8, 2020 by Enoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrTuner Posted January 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, zydeco said: Figured that all out in record time, then. They've learned from the Thai brake failure default thing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomazbodner Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 hour ago, rabas said: MH17 shrapnel holes. Yes, something from outside shot into the fuselage at high speed. But it is not necessary that a missile hit it. It that could also be engine failure where blades break and fly in all directions, possibly puncture fuel tanks, which can cause fire which can't get extinguished. Concorde went down without a missile. All it needed was a blown tyre. For planes without Delta wings, it would be near impossible for tyre hitting any part of the wing, but disintegrating engines certainly could. Engines can disintegrate because of undiagnosed damage to the blades, or hitting something that cracks the blades. Given the flight took off in total darkness of the night, the visual inspection of the engine might not have exposed any damage that could have happened on inbound flight or went unnoticed for a long time before that. Not saying it's not possible to be hit by missile. Just saying that there are other possibilities that have happened many times before. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalaxyMan Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 You couldn't pay me to board a 737. ???? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eindhoven Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 2 hours ago, KhunBENQ said: From Aviation Herald: http://avherald.com/h?article=4d1aea51&opt=0 No mention of any unusual communication or the like. From the same article; Quote Ukraine's Embassy to the Iran tweeted that UIA confirmed their aircraft crashed near Tehran Airport after takeoff. According to first information all occupants have been killed. A task force and a hotline for relatives has been set up. The Embassy subsequently added a statement on their website stating: "According to preliminary information from the Iranian side, the plane crashed due to an engine failure due to technical reasons. The version of the terrorist attack or rocket attack is currently excluded." All 9 crew were Ukrainian citizens. At around 08:20Z on Jan 8th 2020 the embassy entirely withdrew their message on their website and replaced it with a travel warning for Iran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAMHERE Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 It is suspicious. Maybe it was a favor Iran did for Russia. Who knows and there will always be theories. I am just surprised Ukraine has regular service with Iran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivor bigun Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, harriott456 said: it was Ukrainian plane, not Iranian flying from Iran Edited January 8, 2020 by ivor bigun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgw Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 what kind of engine failure cuts off the radio? Quote It took off to the west, but never made it above 8,000 feet in the air, according to data from the flight-tracking website FlightRadar24. It remains unclear what happened. Qassem Biniaz, a spokesman for Iran’s Road and Transportation Ministry, said it appeared a fire struck one of its engines. The pilot of the aircraft then lost control of the plane, sending it crashing into the ground, Biniaz said, according to the state-run IRNA news agency. Hassan Razaeifar, the head of air crash investigation committee, said it appeared the pilot couldn’t communicate with air-traffic controllers in Tehran in the last moments of the flight. He did not elaborate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 42 minutes ago, tomazbodner said: Yes, something from outside shot into the fuselage at high speed. But it is not necessary that a missile hit it. It that could also be engine failure where blades break and fly in all directions, possibly puncture fuel tanks, which can cause fire which can't get extinguished. Concorde went down without a missile. All it needed was a blown tyre. For planes without Delta wings, it would be near impossible for tyre hitting any part of the wing, but disintegrating engines certainly could. Engines can disintegrate because of undiagnosed damage to the blades, or hitting something that cracks the blades. Given the flight took off in total darkness of the night, the visual inspection of the engine might not have exposed any damage that could have happened on inbound flight or went unnoticed for a long time before that. Not saying it's not possible to be hit by missile. Just saying that there are other possibilities that have happened many times before. Fully agree. The pattern could fit both. Remember, a while back a woman was sucked out a plane at altitude after a compressor blade from a failed engine went through her window. She was sitting just over or behind the wing. An engine failure can also ignite fuel tanks and cause a fire like the one seen in the video, if real. Edited January 8, 2020 by rabas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 36 minutes ago, Eindhoven said: From the same article; The only thing I can say about that is... IF it was a shootdown, I have no doubt that the Iranian authorities would do their utmost to deny and obscure that fact.... and look to blame other cause(s) instead. Just as the Russians obscured and denied their shooting down of the Korean Air flight in 1983... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007 And just as Russia continues to deny its responsibility for the shootdown of the Malaysia Air flight over Ukraine in 2014, despite the official investigation concluding otherwise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyFax Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 According to the NY Times (updated) Jan. 8, 2020, 4:39 PM Bangkok time The airline said 167 passengers and nine crew members were on board. Vadym Prystaiko, Ukraine’s minister of foreign affairs, said the victims included 82 Iranians and 11 Ukrainians, including nine Ukrainian crew members. Sixty-three passengers were from Canada, 10 from Sweden, four from Afghanistan, three from Germany and three from Britain, he said. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/07/world/middleeast/iran-plane-crash-boeing-ukraine.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URMySunshine Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) I hate to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole but one take could be ; 1. The missiles were delivered with amazing accuracy over 100's of kms and evaded radar but with probably little casualties. Iranian spies will have infiltrated most bases in Iraq so they would have known that. They were careful to show power but stay their hand. They could set fire to most of the oil at will. 2. Russia, China and Iran have done war games just a month before in the Gulf. Ukraine and Russia are sworn enemies at the moment with real hate for each other. Unfortunately for them they were the warning to Trump if you continue along this path and bomb the hell out of us - the battle moves to civilian airliners with easy to conceal and deploy SAM missiles. 3. They have said that's it - if Trump backs off then yes that it is. They have got revenge and maybe even get US soldiers out of Iraq. Quite a stunning result. But if he wishes to continue on that path then the war goes asymmetric. The Iranians are battle hardened soldiers, not scared of war and practiced in its devilish art with virtually unlimited access to munitions of all stripes. These are not bedroom terrorists with kitchen knives and fireworks now. Over to you Donald your move......if you bomb the hell out of them it will start to get dirty , real dirty and quickly. And I sincerely hope the military are fully informed him of that as it is HIS war Edited January 8, 2020 by URMySunshine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 My theory: some fanatics were firing into air with machine guns and hit it. Good as any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URMySunshine Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, DrTuner said: My theory: some fanatics were firing into air with machine guns and hit it. Good as any. And Occam's razor says that would most probably be the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URMySunshine Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Is it just me or is the internet real slow today ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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