2 hours ago, roquefort said:

7 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Iran could start behaving like a normal country and their troubles would all be over. 

You mean like invading countries on the pretext of non-existent WMD, overthrowing foreign governments you don’t like.....that kind of normal country?

 

cannot disagree.  respected general wesley clark recounts some chilling details about usa plan to take out several middle eastern countries apparently existed ever before 9/11

 

"Wesley Kanne Clark, Sr. (born December 23, 1944) is a retired general of the United States Army. He graduated as valedictorian of the class of 1966 at West Point and was awarded a Rhodes Scholarship to the University of Oxford, where he obtained a degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics"

 

 

 

20 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

 

 

couldn't resist. hows about a meme of this photo replacing the ayatollah with trump?  all in good humour

20 hours ago, AussieBob18 said:

Bush tried to tell Sadam that he would be destroyed - he didnt listen and kept causing problems.

Same same - just another Dictatorship regime about to be destroyed if they dont pull their heads in.

 

Post Kuwait Saddam was causing no problems for anybody, other than to embarrass and humiliate the US by not caving in.

 

That's why there was so much opposition (among intelligent/informed people) to the 2003 invasion, which was justified on the basis of "trumped-up" evidence.

 

Tony Blairs part in its blatant fabrication is what makes him so reviled in his own country.

 

 

2 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Not according to Angela Merkel. Perhaps you should contact her and ask her to explain why she said the US had every right to do it.

So if Angela Merkel says the US has every right to assassinate people without trial is OK and the US  says it's OK then surely it must be OK for everybody to do it and if that's where we are headed then I think we've officially lost the plot.The US now does not preach rule of law but rather the rule of might has right?I feel this to be a retrograde step in intelligence heading merrily back to the stone age and we are merrily following the lead of an unhinged paradigm.If continued,this course will lead back to a major reset in the intelligence evolutionary process for all concerned.  

2 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

So if Angela Merkel says the US has every right to assassinate people without trial is OK and the US  says it's OK then surely it must be OK for everybody to do it and if that's where we are headed then I think we've officially lost the plot.The US now does not preach rule of law but rather the rule of might has right?I feel this to be a retrograde step in intelligence heading merrily back to the stone age and we are merrily following the lead of an unhinged paradigm.If continued,this course will lead back to a major reset in the intelligence evolutionary process for all concerned.  

 

thats a mighty far flung question but you make a good point

6 hours ago, atyclb said:

 

regarding bush and saddam the old cliche "if you break it you own it" has lots of wisdom therein

That was the Powell doctrine. Hes no longer there. The new doctrine. If you bother the US, they break it and you still own it.

13 hours ago, Enoon said:

 

Post Kuwait Saddam was causing no problems for anybody, other than to embarrass and humiliate the US by not caving in.

 

That's why there was so much opposition (among intelligent/informed people) to the 2003 invasion, which was justified on the basis of "trumped-up" evidence.

 

Tony Blairs part in its blatant fabrication is what makes him so reviled in his own country.

 

 

That's not exactly correct, the concern in 1998, was that Sadam was planning to try and cross into Kuwait again, and there was concern he would use weapons, including anthrax(Bill Clinton Administration), chemical protective equipment was issued, and evacuation plans were made. For 2003, injections and chemical protective equipment was issued again, because of the anthrax and threat from other chemicals. If Bush or Blair were liars, then so was Bill Clinton. Bottom line though, it was faulty intelligence, and game playing by Sadam. Bye the way, I was there.

 

17 hours ago, atyclb said:

 

cannot disagree.  respected general wesley clark recounts some chilling details about usa plan to take out several middle eastern countries apparently existed ever before 9/11

 

"Wesley Kanne Clark, Sr. (born December 23, 1944) is a retired general of the United States Army. He graduated as valedictorian of the class of 1966 at West Point and was awarded a Rhodes Scholarship to the University of Oxford, where he obtained a degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics"

 

 

 

Wise counsel from a great soldier. The US stopped being the good guys decades ago and are just doing what powerful number one countries have done since time began. Build empires and exercise hard power. The PR machine then goes into overdrive to justify any subsequent action.

 

“The Ministry of Truth – Minitrue, in Newspeak – was startlingly different from any other object in sight…From where Winston stood it was just possible to read, picked out on its white face in elegant lettering, the three slogans of the Party:War is peace ,freedom is slavery , ignorance is strength.”

 

https://literarydevices.net/war-is-peace/

16 hours ago, Enoon said:

 

Post Kuwait Saddam was causing no problems for anybody, other than to embarrass and humiliate the US by not caving in.

 

That's why there was so much opposition (among intelligent/informed people) to the 2003 invasion, which was justified on the basis of "trumped-up" evidence.

 

Tony Blairs part in its blatant fabrication is what makes him so reviled in his own country.

 

 

Trump was supposed to be different but turns out in the end is just same, same but different. Is China sensing an opportunity from the Trumpian vacuum ? It would be quite a coup to get Iraqi assets built with US money at knockdown prices. It's called the Art of the Deal I seem to remember. 

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/iraq-about-become-chinese-client-state

 

3 hours ago, beechguy said:

That's not exactly correct, the concern in 1998, was that Sadam was planning to try and cross into Kuwait again, and there was concern he would use weapons, including anthrax(Bill Clinton Administration), chemical protective equipment was issued, and evacuation plans were made. For 2003, injections and chemical protective equipment was issued again, because of the anthrax and threat from other chemicals. If Bush or Blair were liars, then so was Bill Clinton. Bottom line though, it was faulty intelligence, and game playing by Sadam. Bye the way, I was there.

 

Oh don't worry Bill Clinton is a liar. No doubt about that. 

On 1/8/2020 at 3:32 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

 The leaders of Israel, the UK, Germany, and France (normally staunch allies) have all signaled they want nothing to do with Trump’s failures over Iran.

 

How is this bad news for Iran?

Germany, France...ha ha ha ha>>u can't be serious! Who cares about them or needs em? Macron, Merkel, and the 3rd stooge; TBT

Going through the Panana canal the other day the deadliest submarine on the planet USS Triton carrying 24 nuclear missiles of 8.2 megatons each one equals 10 bombs dropped on Japan, Stand bye your beds guys

7 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

Going through the Panana canal the other day the deadliest submarine on the planet USS Triton carrying 24 nuclear missiles of 8.2 megatons each one equals 10 bombs dropped on Japan, Stand bye your beds guys

 

 

I think the assessment was within 3 days the US military could level Iran into a dirt playing field. 

Iran figured this out real fast also and crawled back up their own brown eye.

Kharg Island: is the largest and main export terminal in Iran. Roughly 90% of Iran's exports are sent via Kharg 

Shut that down the mad mullahs are F@@k-ed