Pattaya shots fired: War on drugs claims another innocent life as police sting goes wrong

[metempsychotic]

2 hours ago, steven100 said:

carnage in the sting .....   drug users and pushers and sellers are scum. 

Yes, perhaps, but his isnt all on them. Police acted negligently at best.

[Syduan]

2 hours ago, steven100 said:

carnage in the sting .....   drug users and pushers and sellers are scum. 

Does that include Queen Victoria, the biggest drug seller in history.

[Grumpy John]

Oh deary me!   To many old Bronson movies have been dubbed in Thai and used to train the gun toting BIB.  A few years ago on Beach Rd outside Soi 9 we had a similar incident with Constable Duffus emptying a full magazine at the wheels of a car.  No deaths back then if memory serves me right. It's sad for the families to see their kin depart to the next world ahead of time.  

 

[Rimmer]

More baiting troll posts removed.

[CNXexpat]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

You forget alcohol users.. alcohol is like ice and heroin classified a harddruk while pot on the other hand is a soft drug with far less problems as alcohol. 

Ice, heroine and others are only used to become high. A beer or a wine for dinner is to enjoy and for the taste.

[Assurancetourix]

21 minutes ago, Syduan said:

Does that include Queen Victoria, the biggest drug seller in history.

I sincerely believe that she was completely beaten by the American airline company Air America during the war against Vietnam;

I will say no more, some Thai HiSo dead or still alive have benefited

[DannyCarlton]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

what is the difference between an alcoholic and a pot head (besides that pot is less damaging) both ar addicts. 

You cannot become physically addicted to cannabis. No physical withdrawal symptoms. You can become physically addicted to alcohol. Big difference.

[Eindhoven]

Just now, CNXexpat said:

Ice, heroine and others are only used to become high. A beer or a wine for dinner is to enjoy and for the taste.

 

Really? Is that what you tell yourself? The taste of the alcohol my friend.

Otherwise, why not drink alcohol free beer and wine? One can certainly acquire the taste.

 

No, the reason is because it is flavoured alcohol.

 

[robblok]

1 minute ago, CNXexpat said:

Ice, heroine and others are only used to become high. A beer or a wine for dinner is to enjoy and for the taste.

Does not make it any less an harddrug. IMHO people should be able to use the drugs they want as long as they don't operate vehicles and bother other people. (and of course pay for the health risks themselves)

[robblok]

Just now, DannyCarlton said:

You cannot become physically addicted to cannabis. No physical withdrawal symptoms. You can become physically addicted to alcohol. Big difference.

Not totally true, there are some withdrawal symptoms (sleep problems) from POT. Its not totally harmless but a lot less harm done then alcohol. 

 

Also i rather see someone high on pot then someone totally drunk. The guy on pot is much more pleasant the alcy might assault me but the pot user would only assault a mars bar or pizza. 

[Assurancetourix]

1 minute ago, robblok said:

Does not make it any less an harddrug. IMHO people should be able to use the drugs they want as long as they don't operate vehicles and bother other people. (and of course pay for the health risks themselves)

 

Completely agree with you, but here we are going to enter into a philosophical discussion which risks leading us to wonder if an anarchic civilization would be desirable 

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, Assurancetourix said:

I sincerely believe that she was completely beaten by the American airline company Air America during the war against Vietnam;

I will say no more, some Thai HiSo dead or still alive have benefited

A friend of mine had an uncle who worked ay Utapo. The USAF transporters would land full of supplies. rather than send them back empty, they would fill them with heroin. Common knowledge locally.

[Leaver]

1 hour ago, steven100 said:

drugs are wrong . Having a beer is not. 

Try having a beer in Saudi Arabia and see what happens. 

 

Having a beer is not wrong only because alcohol is legal here. 

 

Smoke a joint in The Netherlands, no problem.  Smoke a joint here and see what happens.

 

Alcohol is just as harmful as illicit drugs, if abused, and that includes beer, but "right and wrong" depends on the law of the country. 

[CNXexpat]

11 minutes ago, robblok said:

should be able to use the drugs they want as long as they don't operate vehicles and bother other people.

I agree. The problem is, that people they use drugs like heroine can´t work after a while but need money for their drugs. So they become criminal. Some who drink a couple of beer or wine per week will never have this problem.

 

11 minutes ago, robblok said:

(and of course pay for the health risks themselves)

Same as people they do sports, drive cars and motorcycles, eat sugar, fat, eat too much, etc., all what´s risky for health?

[RichardColeman]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

But the dealer got wise and took off alone in his Mitsubishi Triton truck and was pursued through Pattaya by gun toting police. 

Love the fact he dumped his wife

[midasthailand]

I have long been an advocate for decriminalising ALL drugs and having them provided by the government at drug outlets where the quality is controlled.

 

 What would this achieve?  All people involved in the drug trade except the growers, would immediately be out of business, this means the Cartels, pushers, crooked cops, crooked politicians, bent judges, ALL of them in one foul swoop!

 

Legal or illegal there are always going to be people thast want to do drugs for whatever reason, I say let them do it but under controlled conditions where the drugs are pure, not laced with <deleted> to make them spread further. The government sells them at market price and makes money at the same time as redirecting budget funds earmarked for the war on drugs (money down the drain if you ask me) to more traditional activities of police forces such as fighting crime and making our streets safer!

[Rimmer]

The topic is about:

 

Pattaya shots fired: War on drugs claims another innocent life as police sting goes wrong

 

Please stay on topic

[rtco]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I suspect a lot of places, including Thailand, will end up eventually in a place where marijuana is treated a lot like alcohol, regulated and sold legally to adults...as drugs.

Do you not know the difference between CBD and THC?

3 hours ago, steven100 said:

carnage in the sting .....   drug users and pushers and sellers are scum. 

Drug pushers ... like the one in your precious Government you mean!

[Classic Ray]

9 minutes ago, CNXexpat said:

I agree. The problem is, that people they use drugs like heroine can´t work after a while but need money for their drugs. So they become criminal. Some who drink a couple of beer or wine per week will never have this problem.

 

Same as people they do sports, drive cars and motorcycles, eat sugar, fat, eat too much, etc., all what´s risky for health?

Up until the late 60s in the UK, there were many heroin addicts holding down respectable jobs and lifestyles as addiction was treated as an illness and pharmaceutical grade heroin was allowed to be prescribed to them by doctors. After pressure from the US this policy changed and the UK joined the unsuccessful  global "war on drugs", creating an illegal drugs market and problem. The only solution is to reverse this and start treating addiction as an illness again. I have advocated this for over forty years including my entire police service. Many UK senior police officers and judges share this view.

[transam]

We all know a LOS driving test is a joke, but it seems those issued with guns are instructed in a similar way..????

[jacko45k]

3 hours ago, robblok said:

I wonder if the arrest of the this drugdealer warrants the dead of the bystanders. I mean this could have been handled far better by the police. I doubt they officers will get any punishment. 

One bystander killed, 2 injured. 

They seem incapable of setting up a safe sting/ arrest. So often the dealer spots it and runs. 

[Eindhoven]

53 minutes ago, CNXexpat said:

I agree. The problem is, that people they use drugs like heroine can´t work after a while but need money for their drugs. So they become criminal. Some who drink a couple of beer or wine per week will never have this problem.

 

Same as people they do sports, drive cars and motorcycles, eat sugar, fat, eat too much, etc., all what´s risky for health?

 

Why all this misogyny? What have you against heroic women?! ????

[jacko45k]

Comparing dealers of Heroin, Yabba, whatever, to sales of alcohol is a moronic old chestnut.

[HHTel]

So called 'trained' police shooting out a perp's tyres during a chase through a populated area, not to mention the risk of stray bullets (ricochets) killing/injuring anyone else.  The mind boggles!  Only in Thailand where the police have very limited intelligence.

[norfolkandchance]

1 hour ago, Leaver said:

Try having a beer in Saudi Arabia and see what happens. 

 

Having a beer is not wrong only because alcohol is legal here. 

 

Smoke a joint in The Netherlands, no problem.  Smoke a joint here and see what happens.

 

Alcohol is just as harmful as illicit drugs, if abused, and that includes beer, but "right and wrong" depends on the law of the country. 

The Compounds I stayed in Saudi where an Alcoholics Paradise.

SID was a bit strong though.

[jacko45k]

3 minutes ago, norfolkandchance said:

The Compounds I stayed in Saudi where an Alcoholics Paradise.

SID was a bit strong though.

I knew a few alcoholics there, they mistakenly thought they would be safe from temptation there.

Damned sidique, when I was back in the UK I couldn't get a drink strong enough in the pub!

[Leaver]

9 minutes ago, norfolkandchance said:

The Compounds I stayed in Saudi where an Alcoholics Paradise.

SID was a bit strong though.

Ah, yes, the compounds.  Those little "Special Economic Zones."  ????

[Eindhoven]

24 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Comparing dealers of Heroin, Yabba, whatever, to sales of alcohol is a moronic old chestnut.

 

Who has done so? 

Point out the offender in so that we can stone him.

[Eindhoven]

5 minutes ago, HHTel said:

The prompt at the bottom of the thread says 'Reply to Topic'.

I suggest many of the posters should understand what the 'topic' is.  It's certainly not about whether alcohol is a drug or not.  

Nip this in the bud, mods.

 

Perhaps you missed it, but we are discussing whether it was a proportionate response. 

Now put down that beer...

[Cake Monster]

3 hours ago, Matzzon said:

The professionals at work again. These people should not be allowed to have guns.

But they are allowed to have Guns.

And are irresponsible enough to allow their Children to get their hand upon them.

Ref ... Infant age child that shot his mate in School with his Cop fathers Gun

Ref .... Current " Gold Shop Slaughter " situation