Pattaya: Death and carnage after police drug chase - we followed procedures, say police

[Tops]

Procedures... Right !

 

 

[glennb6]

live fire at a moving vehicle in a populated area??? Unless the fleeing perps were shooting at the cops first, the police showed gross negligence. might I assume the neither the perp or the police were observing the speed limit either (save the comments)?

 

How's about follow, track, and road block as a logical action versus high-speed pursuit and weapons fire that most obviously endangered the public (who the police are supposed to be protecting in the first place)?  3rd world antics.

[ratcatcher]

3 hours ago, tinca tinca said:

why did they NOT employ a STINGER????!!!

Because the Thai police are not quite  as well armed or trained as the US military.

[IAMHERE]

How many shots were fired at the tires ? If only one, then holy cow.

[Mick501]

7 hours ago, mikebell said:

 

'Five Sukhothai cops shifted after pub raid

Five cops demoted after pub raid

Chumphon police shifted after Halloween pub raids'

 

These are the headlines just from today's BKK Post!  RTP defame themselves every time they go to work (which is not often!)

Most jurisdictions outside the US do not shoot at cars.  There is very little to be gained.  Maybe the capture of a car thief or drug offender, but the risk is too high for the reward.  Even pursuing cars  in a built up area has very little upside unless the suspect poses an imminent threat.

 

the consequence in this case was not just foreseeable, but indeed it was quite likely.  If they followed procedures then the procedures should be changed.

Edited January 26, 2020 by Mick501

[newnative]

  If that is your 'procedure' it needs to be changed immediately.  And, run your cops through proper police training again while you're at it. 

[Just Weird]

7 hours ago, Assurancetourix said:

We don't care about the guy who was being chased;
if the cops had shot in a front tire he would not have lost control of his vehicle which would have stopped without injuring other people.

"if the cops had shot in a front tire he would not have lost control".

How do you know that?  You're not seriously trying to say that front end blow-outs never cause loss of control, are you?

Edited January 26, 2020 by Just Weird

[Just Weird]

6 hours ago, tinca tinca said:

why did they NOT employ a STINGER????!!!

Because they are not US police and even those clowns are very selective about the places they are used.

[Assurancetourix]

1 minute ago, Just Weird said:

hat front end blow-outs never cause loss of control,

Don't make me say what I didn't write ..
Never is a word to use delicately.

I wrote that if a front tire explodes it is rare that you lose control of your vehicle with four or more wheels.

[Just Weird]

4 hours ago, Assurancetourix said:

4 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Thats not correct.

 

A flat front tire does not cause loss of steering control; the rim of the flat or burst tire will leave two trails in the roadway and the vehicle will stop very quickly

There's more to loss of control than steering issues, braking for instance.

[Just Weird]

14 minutes ago, Assurancetourix said:

18 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

hat front end blow-outs never cause loss of control,

Don't make me say what I didn't write ..
Never is a word to use delicately.

I wrote that if a front tire explodes it is rare that you lose control of your vehicle with four or more wheels.

You don't need me to "say what you didn't write", you did that yourself. You didn't use the word "rare", unless you're just editing your posts now.  Here's two very specific claims of yours and neither uses "rare", or "rarely", or anything similar!

 

"... if the cops had shot in a front tire he would not have lost control of his vehicle"

 

"... A flat front tire does not cause loss of steering control"

Edited January 26, 2020 by Just Weird

[hotchilli]

21 hours ago, rooster59 said:

A rear tire was shot out of the fleeing pick-up that careered off the road into two of the victims before smashing into a convenience store in Moo 8. Other damage had been caused moments earlier as the chase proceeded through crowded streets.

It may have started away from a busy area... but the chased perused it into a built up area and ended very badly !!!

If those are the procedures maybe they need tweaking a little!

[jesimps]

Incompetent boneheads. Children in adult bodies.

[VocalNeal]

8 hours ago, Assurancetourix said:

 

We don't care about the guy who was being chased;
if the cops had shot in a front tire he would not have lost control of his vehicle which would have stopped without injuring other people.

Should have shot the driver in the back of the head that would have solved everything.

Edited January 26, 2020 by VocalNeal

[Rimmer]

Some off topic bickering posts removed

[Basil B]

7 hours ago, Assurancetourix said:

 

A flat front tire does not cause loss of steering control; the rim of the flat or burst tire will leave two trails in the roadway and the vehicle will stop very quickly

I beg to differ, I watched a car take a corner at speed with no tyre left on a front wheel... the driver hit the curb hard and nearly rolled before driving another 200 yards when driver and passenger decamped and ran, and they were not even being followed by the police, (this was in the UK).

[brianthainess]

ROYAL thai police your procedures are WRONG then. DOH ! just as your training for accident road lane change that killed people, how many more of the public must die bcoz of your pure incompetence, and you and your kids with guns running around, in restaurants etc have quite possibility killed more than any crims.

[jchfriis]

On 1/25/2020 at 6:55 PM, rooster59 said:

Police have provided help and assistance to the dead and injured and their families and further help would be made available though official channels. 

Exactly how do you provide help and assistance to the dead?

[brianthainess]

13 hours ago, jacko45k said:

The people who got killed or injured by him did, given the opportunity.

Front tyres aren't accessible when chasing from behind.  It wan't too well a planned sting, or insufficient resources to box him in. 

I was thinking the same, a sting would have involved being able to close off the roads and box him in, plus the guy must have easily worked out it was a sting, police in plain sight no doubt, haircut gives em away.

[glennb6]

geez, give the cops a decent drone with camera and let them tail the car until it stops where they can capture it without endangering others. they'll love the new toy they can play with and it may just work.

[jacko45k]

16 hours ago, glennb6 said:

geez, give the cops a decent drone with camera and let them tail the car until it stops where they can capture it without endangering others. they'll love the new toy they can play with and it may just work.

Just give them a few more years to get all the wires out of the way.