Thailand confirms six new cases of coronavirus, including four Thais - health ministry

[robert888d]

I am sorry to read Thailand now has 25 cases of Corona virus. I think this number will unfortunately continue to rise until Thailand stops all Chinese or travellers from China for at least two weeks.But as Thailand is heavily dependent on Chinese money,I don't think they will.The cost of treating sick people will steadily rise and other people will avoid taking holidays in Thailand. 

[Traubert]

2 hours ago, zydeco said:

 

The Global Times (simplified Chinese: 环球时报; traditional Chinese: 環球時報; pinyin: Huánqiú Shíbào) is a daily tabloid newspaper under the auspices of the Chinese Communist Party's People's Daily newspaper, commenting on international issues from a nationalistic perspective.

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Times

Yes, and?? Did I say anything different?

 

Perhaps its escaped your notice but this virus thing is very much a Chinese national issue, notwithstanding the overseas infections. If you're not interested in hearing both sides of the story, then you're just not interested in anything except China bashing. 

 

Carry on.

[mtls2005]

1 hour ago, Mansell said:

So if I got the virus, would this mandatory Thai health insurance cover me at the hospital?

 

Not sure about local O-A insurance, but most of the Travel (Health) Insurance polices I looked at quickly seem to exclude pandemics and epidemics, including this nCOV19.

 

Replacement travel insurance (airfare, car, hotel) might cover this virus.

[zydeco]

1 minute ago, Traubert said:

Yes, and?? Did I say anything different?

 

Perhaps its escaped your notice but this virus thing is very much a Chinese national issue, notwithstanding the overseas infections. If you're not interested in hearing both sides of the story, then you're just not interested in anything except China bashing. 

 

Carry on.

Disinformation. This isn't a "side of the story," it's propaganda put out by the Chinese Communist Party. And, no, I'm not interested in hearing straight out lies from government paid editors, "journalists," and wumao agitators.

[NanLaew]

20 hours ago, observer90210 said:

considering the majority of nations who have banned all inbound and outbound flights

Is there a definitive list of this 'majority of nations' available?

[Tayaout]

9 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Is there a definitive list of this 'majority of nations' available?

This is a partial list since it wasn't updated in 4 days. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/ewmdh6/countries_that_have_shut_down_all_air_traffic/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

 

[ttl]

So the Taxi drivers must wear masks,and get a squirt on his hands, so what about all the infected steering wheels,Job for someone  Phew)))

 

[placnx]

4 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

I sympathize, but there is no "majority". At best a handful of countries.

 

 

The impact of the infection upon specific age groups is still unknown. This is due to the absence of data from China. What we have outside of China is inadequate to make any conclusion.

 

There is no factual basis with which to minimize the impact of 2019-nCoV by comparing it to seasonal flu. The impact of infection is significantly different. What we do know with the more deadly infectious diseases is that there is a greater likelihood to require more significant intervention, e.g. ICU care, respirators and  infection prevention protocols.  No country has the resources  to care for  thousands of patients requiring intensive care. It is impossible.  This is what  has happened in China. Thousands of people who may be ill are not being attended to. They in turn are infecting those around them.  This is one of the reasons why China imposed the quarantines. 

The number of people who become seriously ill from seasonal flu infections  is almost manageable. I use the term "almost", because every year, emergency rooms in  the EU, and North America become clogged with some very sick people during flu season.  Because of the severity of 2019-nCov, it is impossible to respond if the numbers become tens of thousands.  The goal of public health right now is to slow the spread, to buy time, in hopes that warmer weather  in China will help slow the spread and to have the time to develop a vaccine, and to erect barriers to slow the spread of infection.

 

 

For Thailand the big problem will be Burma and its rudimentary healthcare system. It's unlikely that China will close its border with Burma as that goes against the idea that all of China should be locked down, against the recommendation of WHO, issued for whatever reason. How can Thailand block the border with Burma?

[Traubert]

1 hour ago, zydeco said:

Disinformation. This isn't a "side of the story," it's propaganda put out by the Chinese Communist Party. And, no, I'm not interested in hearing straight out lies from government paid editors, "journalists," and wumao agitators.

It bears a striking resemblance to what the WHO report. Anybody recommend a paranoia counsellor? I said reds under the bed crowd with tongue in cheek, but hells teeth!

 

Do they let elderly Englishmen into the CCP? I'm not convinced that they do.........

 

Wumao agitators.....???????????? Stop it, you're killing me. ???? I'll laugh my mask off if you're not careful. ????

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[JerseytoBKK]

3 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

 

What is your point here? Is the intent to insult everyone's intelligence with your use of  unsubstantiated statements from an unreliable and untrustworthy source of information.

The Global Times is a daily tabloid newspaper controlled by the Chinese Communist Party's People's Daily newspaper. This is the same group that calls the concentration camps holding Uyhgurs,  "Holiday and Leisure Camps" and  "Education   facilities".

 

Do you really believe that  a 1000 bed hospital can be built in a week? More like a  detention center dormitory. All that the Chinese have done is build a place where people will be kept.   It is impossible to  have equipped  the facility with the medical equipment and  advanced care  devices common to a basic clinic. It takes time to install ICU equipment and to calibrate equipment. The facility probably does not even have a balanced  air flow and pressure system required to control infectious disease contagion.

Are you aware the  current infectious disease control protocols require patient isolation as in individual hospital rooms? This is why every new hospital being built in the developed world emphasizes individual rooms. Don't tell us that the  Chinese facility respects that basic starting requirement. Do you know what happens when you have 50 patients sharing one toilet?

 

You reference  patient age demographics as if  your data is reliable. Well, it isn't reliable because it has not been vetted and verified by third parties, specifically WHO. Are you even aware that the Chinese are not being overly co-operative in allowing foreigners  to observe the treatment facilities or to access patients?  What we are being fed is misinformation praising the Chinese with the goal to keep people from panicking.  China has unleashed another infectious disease on the world and its government is in panic mode trying to get its genie back in the bottle.

 

"Do you really believe that  a 1000 bed hospital can be built in a week?" You're right - wasn't a week but 10 days. Guess you didn't see any of the live streaming video that was broadcast during construction? The rooms are pre-fab. 7,000+ workers. Construction 24 hours a day. I'm definitely not a fan of the Chinese gov, but you got to give them credit for their response and ability to mobilize.

 

Here are some pics: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/03/world/asia/coronavirus-wuhan-hospital.html and https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/inpictures/pictures-wuhan-fast-built-hospital-200203080542994.html

 

 

[rabas]

1 hour ago, ttl said:

So the Taxi drivers must wear masks,and get a squirt on his hands, so what about all the infected steering wheels,Job for someone  Phew)))

Rear door handle grabbed firmly by 100s of passengers every day? 

 

Wife and I have been making practice runs and it's incredibly hard not to touch stuff. Not a bad idea to carry a handkerchief.

[DrTuner]

5 minutes ago, rabas said:

Rear door handle grabbed firmly by 100s of passengers every day? 

 

Wife and I have been making practice runs and it's incredibly hard not to touch stuff. Not a bad idea to carry a handkerchief.

You need these:

[zydeco]

58 minutes ago, Traubert said:

Do they let elderly Englishmen into the CCP? I'm not convinced that they do.........

Well, maybe they'll put you on a postage stamp, instead. It worked for Kim Philby.

[HHTel]

6 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

Do you really believe that  a 1000 bed hospital can be built in a week? More like a  detention center dormitory. All that the Chinese have done is build a place where people will be kept.   It is impossible to  have equipped  the facility with the medical equipment and  advanced care  devices common to a basic clinic. It takes time to install ICU equipment and to calibrate equipment. The facility probably does not even have a balanced  air flow and pressure system required to control infectious disease contagion.

The videos certainly show that your paragraph above is wrong.  Considering a 2 story hospital was built in a week (plenty of time lapse vids around), it does appear quite well equipped.  The air flow is separated and isolated from main airflow.  Each room even has a 2-door 'box'.  One door inside the room and one outside.  These will be used to pass food and medicines both in and out of the room. Pretty much all of what you've said.

They now have patients already in the hospitals.

[khunpa]

Here is an overview over the rise in PUI Patients in Thailand.

 

[HHTel]

7 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

There's no such thing as a Coronavirus "test kit".  The ONLY way to verify if a sick patient has the virus is PCR-DNA analysis of saliva or mucus.

 

It's a highly specialised machine that runs 24/7/365 doing hundreds if not thousands of DNA sequencing tests simultaneously.

 

No kit exists, sorry to burst your bubble. ????

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NANJING, Jan. 31 (Xinhua) -- Experts have developed a rapid nucleic test kit for the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in the city of Wuxi, east China's Jiangsu Province.

The kit can detect the virus within eight to 15 minutes, according to the city bureau of science and technology.

The kit has high sensitivity and is easy to use and transport, according to the bureau. It will be vital for the prevention and control of the epidemic.

The kit was the joint work of experts from the National Institute for Viral Disease Control and Prevention and a Wuxi-based high-tech company. The company received a notice to develop the kit on Jan. 20.

The kit is undergoing mass production. The company said it can produce kits for 4,000 people a day, and the city government is helping the company expand production.

The first batch of kits is already in use at the frontlines in Hubei Province.

 

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-01/31/c_138745729.htm

 

There are others developed outside of China.

 

[FarFlungFalang]

5 minutes ago, khunpa said:

Here is an overview over the rise in PUI Patients in Thailand.

 

How come the numbers only go up?Don't any of them get better and go home as suggested in various news reports?

[HHTel]

5 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

How come the numbers only go up?Don't any of them get better and go home as suggested in various news reports?

To date:

24,623 Confirmed cases

493 deaths

990 fully recovered

[DrTuner]

11 minutes ago, HHTel said:

To date:

24,623 Confirmed cases

493 deaths

990 fully recovered

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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24,623
of which 3,223 (13%) in critical condition

No idea what "critical" there means. Likely in a hospital in bad shape.

[FarFlungFalang]

18 minutes ago, HHTel said:

To date:

24,623 Confirmed cases

493 deaths

990 fully recovered

So what does that make the death rate 2% still.

[warrenv]

On 2/4/2020 at 5:43 PM, lovesthespicy said:

The RO of this virus in recent studies was put as high as 4.08. The who estimated it to be at 1.4 to 2.3 on Jan 23. 

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#repro

 

I'd imagine a taxi driver would be able to pass the virus on at even a higher clip then a normal person. Being they are in close contained quarters with so many different people a day. Very scary situation. 

 

Just riding with a lot of the taxi drivers is scarier to me.

 

[Golden Triangle]

And now 18 million Chinese confined to barracks LOL 

[DrTuner]

2 minutes ago, warrenv said:

Just riding with a lot of the taxi drivers is scarier to me.

It's double jeopardy now. If the taxi driver doesn't crash, he'll give you the virus.

[DrTuner]

33 minutes ago, HHTel said:

The company said it can produce kits for 4,000 people a day

That would match with the current 3-4k new diagnosed cases per day. Although that implies near 100% of tested are positives.

[DrTuner]

8 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

It's a highly specialised machine that runs 24/7/365 doing hundreds if not thousands of DNA sequencing tests simultaneously.

Requires a lot of manual work and getting a viable sample is likely also manual work.

 

Here's the instructions from Thailand's National Institute of Health's lab ( it says so on the URL itself, nat-inst-health ) :  https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/conventional-rt-pcr-followed-by-sequencing-for-detection-of-ncov-rirl-nat-inst-health-t.pdf?sfvrsn=42271c6d_4

[mtls2005]

48 minutes ago, khunpa said:

Here is an overview over the rise in PUI Patients in Thailand.

Latest daily report here..  https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/file/situation/situation-no32-040263.pdf

 

19 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

So what does that make the death rate 2% still.

Overall. In Wuhan, think it's ~ 4.9%. 

[Traubert]

6 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Latest daily report here..  https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/file/situation/situation-no32-040263.pdf

 

Overall. In Wuhan, think it's ~ 4.9%. 

3.1% as of this morning.

[Traubert]

1 hour ago, HHTel said:

The videos certainly show that your paragraph above is wrong.  Considering a 2 story hospital was built in a week (plenty of time lapse vids around), it does appear quite well equipped.  The air flow is separated and isolated from main airflow.  Each room even has a 2-door 'box'.  One door inside the room and one outside.  These will be used to pass food and medicines both in and out of the room. Pretty much all of what you've said.

They now have patients already in the hospitals.

Good to see that the recovery rate is now double the fatality number and rising. I expect that as the new facilities and personnel come on stream we'll see the peak passed very soon.

 

Don't spend too much time trying to convince the Iron Curtainers of anything positive coming out China, they still think we wander round in Mao suits and coolie hats clutching our little red books. You'll never get them out of the sixties. They're just scared as they're all in the death demographic. It's understandable.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, khunpa said:

Here is an overview over the rise in PUI Patients in Thailand.

 

 

 

If I was going to do such a chart, given the way the Thais are reporting their statistics, I probably would have chosen the "patients receiving treatment in hospital" daily number as a better indicator of the path the virus is taking and the burden it's putting on local medical resources.  In that way, it automatically balances out the numbers on those being sent home vs. the new patients coming into hospitals.