New coronavirus cases fall in China, but WHO concerned by global spread

[rooster59]

New coronavirus cases fall in China, but WHO concerned by global spread

By Yilei Sun and Shivani Singh

 

FILE PHOTO: Volunteers and community workers deliver vegetables and goods to residents inside a residential compound at its entrance, in Xiangyang city of Hubei, the province hit hardest by the novel coronavirus outbreak, China February 20, 2020. China Daily via REUTERS/File Photo

 

BEIJING (Reuters) - China reported a sharp fall in new deaths and cases of the coronavirus on Saturday, but world health officials warned it was too early to make predictions about the outbreak as new infections continued to rise in other countries.

 

Chinese authorities said the mainland had 397 new confirmed cases on Friday, down from 889 a day earlier. The numbers surged elsewhere, though, with outbreaks worsening in South Korea, Iran, Italy and Lebanon.

 

In South Korea, authorities said on Saturday the number of new infections had doubled to 433, and suggested the tally could rise significantly as more than 1,000 people who attended a church at the centre of the outbreak reported flu-like symptoms.

 

The World Health Organization welcomed the reported decline in new Chinese cases, but said it was concerned about the number of new infections elsewhere with no clear link to China such as travel history or contact with a confirmed case of COVID-19, as the disease caused by the virus is known.

 

"Our biggest concern continues to be the potential for COVID-19 to spread in countries with weaker health systems," WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said.

 

The U.N. agency is calling for $675 million to support most vulnerable countries, he said, adding 13 countries in Africa are seen as a priority because of their links to China.

 

In total, China has reported 75,569 cases to the WHO, and 2,239 deaths, Tedros said. According to available data, the disease remains mild in 80% of patients, and severe or critical in 20%. The virus has been fatal in 2% of reported cases.

 

The disease has spread to some 26 countries and territories outside mainland China, killing more than a dozen people, according to a Reuters tally.

 

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'BLUE WHALE' ARRIVES

 

The latest Chinese figures showed only 31 of the new cases on Friday were outside of the virus epicentre of Hubei province, the lowest number since the National Health Commission started compiling nationwide data a month ago.

 

But new, albeit isolated findings about the coronavirus could complicate efforts to thwart it, including the Hubei government's announcement on Saturday that an elderly man took 27 days to show symptoms after infection, almost twice the presumed 14-day incubation period.

 

That follows Chinese scientists reporting that a woman from Wuhan had travelled 400 miles (675 km) and infected five relatives without showing signs of infection.

 

State television showed the arrival in Wuhan of the "blue whale" on Saturday, the first of seven river cruise ships it is bringing in to house medical workers, tens of thousands of which have been sent to Hubei to contain the virus.

 

In Italy, the worst-affected country in Europe, the virus has killed two people - a man and a woman in their 70s - and infected another 51 mostly in the north.

 

Some 50,000 residents in Codogno, southwest of Milan, and nearby towns have been advised to remain indoors. Public gatherings including Sunday masses and football matches have been suspended, and schools and shops have been closed down.

 

Iran, which had no reported cases earlier this week, on Saturday announced the detection of 10 new cases of coronavirus and two more deaths, appearing to bring the number of infections to 29 and the number of deaths to six.

 

Japan, which confirmed 14 new cases on Saturday, faces growing questions about whether it is doing enough to contain its outbreak and whether the virus could disrupt this year's Tokyo Olympics. Organisers postponed the start of training for volunteers as a precaution.

 

FINANCIAL FEARS

 

The potential economic impact of the outbreak, which has caused massive disruption to businesses in China, overshadowed a meeting of G20 finance ministers in Saudi Arabia.

 

International Monetary Fund Managing Director Kristalina Georgieva, presenting the fund's outlook to central bankers and finance ministers in Riyadh, said the virus would likely lower China's economic growth this year to 5.6%, down 0.4 percentage points from its January outlook, and shave 0.1 percentage points from global growth.

 

Asian policymakers sought to soothe investors' fears over the outbreak, which has roiled global markets, with equities sliding on Friday.

 

Bank of Japan Governor Haruhiko Kuroda said the yen's recent declines were largely driven by a strong dollar, shrugging off some market views that the virus epidemic is triggering an outflow of funds from Asia.

 

Senior Chinese central bank officials, meanwhile, played down worries about the potential damage to the world's second-largest economy, saying the country's financial system and currency were resilient.

 

Chen Yulu, a deputy governor of the People's Bank of China, said policymakers had plenty of tools to support the economy, and were confident of winning the war against the epidemic.

 

"We believe that after this epidemic is over, pent-up demand for consumption and investment will be fully released, and China's economy will rebound swiftly," Chen told state TV.

 

(Reporting by Yilei Sun, Shivani Singh, Cheng Leng and Kevin Yao in Beijing; Samuel Shen, Se Young Lee and Yiming Shen in Shanghai; Additional reporting by Sangmi Cha in Seoul, Kirsti Knolle in Vienna, Stephanie Nebehay in Geneva, Elisa Anzolin in Milan, Angelo Amante in Rome, Lidia Kelly in Melborne, Stephen Kalin, Andrea Shalal and Leika Kihara in Riyadh, Stanley White in Tokyo, Dan Burns in New York, Julie Steenhuysen in Chicago, Greg Torode in Hong Kong; Writing by Martin Petty, Pravin Char and Alex Richardson; Editing by Kim Coghill, Frances Kerry, Ros Russell)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2020-02-23

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[URMySunshine]

WHO are a bit behind the curve but I think it is becoming clear that we are entering the global pandemic phase. 

 

https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1510158-20200222.htm

 

Viruses vary in how they infect. The new coronavirus -- unlike its cousins Sars, or severe acute respiratory syndrome, and Mers, or Middle East respiratory syndrome -- spreads as easily as a common cold.

And it's almost certainly being spread by people who show such mild symptoms that no one can tell, said Dr Amesh Adalja of the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.

"If that's the case, all of these containment methods are not going to work," Adalja said. "It's likely mixed in the cold and flu season all over the place, in multiple countries" and gone unnoticed until someone gets severely ill.

These milder symptoms are good news "in terms of not as many people dying," said Mackay, of Australia. "But it's really bad news if you are trying to stop a pandemic," he added. (AP)

[4MyEgo]

Panic time.

 

Edited February 23, 2020 by 4MyEgo

[TheAppletons]

Iran is going to be a problem wrt containment.  They didn't even report a case until two people had died from it.  

 

We're certainly in for some interesting times.  Some otherwise (seemingly) rational people I know in the USA are already talking about moving to the middle of nowhere, hoarding food, water, guns, ammunition and trying to avoid contact with other people as much as possible.

[4MyEgo]

Edited February 23, 2020 by 4MyEgo

[TheAppletons]

1 minute ago, 4MyEgo said:

The leaders shouldn't cancel such events in such a climate, they should show how strong they are, you know, how big their balls really are ????

 

  Olympics this summer in Japan?  I wouldn't bet on it.

[RichardColeman]

1 hour ago, rooster59 said:

"We believe that after this epidemic is over, pent-up demand for consumption and investment will be fully released, and China's economy will rebound swiftly," Chen told state TV.

Bet the TAT are rubbing their hands with glee at that piece of fiction

[URMySunshine]

21 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Panic time.

 

Don't panic prepare.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/nonpharmaceutical-interventions/pdf/gr-pan-flu-ind-house.pdf

[saengd]

22 minutes ago, TheAppletons said:

Iran is going to be a problem wrt containment.  They didn't even report a case until two people had died from it.  

 

We're certainly in for some interesting times.  Some otherwise (seemingly) rational people I know in the USA are already talking about moving to the middle of nowhere, hoarding food, water, guns, ammunition and trying to avoid contact with other people as much as possible.

Almost 4 million Americans  preppers have been doing that sort of thing for years, there's an entire industry that underpins it, it's worth billions of dollars, it doesn't take much.

 

https://nichehacks.com/survivalist-preppers-niche-report/

[URMySunshine]

11 minutes ago, saengd said:

Almost 4 million Americans  preppers have been doing that sort of thing for years, there's an entire industry that underpins it, it's worth billions of dollars, it doesn't take much.

 

https://nichehacks.com/survivalist-preppers-niche-report/

They have been going crazy for the last month. I gave an alert on a post here a month ago here that there was a potential for this outcome.  

 

Forget tabloids. Here's a doctor's review of a study just released.

 

Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding:

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD - the new coronavirus is a 3.8!!! How bad is that reproductive R0 value? It is thermonuclear pandemic level bad -  I’m not exaggerating...  (R_O is the average number of new infections from each infected person)   https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1220919589623803905.html

 

we predict the epidemic in Wuhan will be substantially larger by 4 February (191,529 infections; prediction interval, 132,751-273,649), infection will be established in other Chinese cities, and importations to other countries will be more frequent. Our model suggests that..

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Ding

 

Crikey that is a horror stat. He must know what he is talking about. Imagine how many people get colds in an average year - most of us do now put the coronavirus into the mix and skew it towards the old, young and immune-deficient and you are looking at a health holocaust. I hope and pray he is wrong but I'm preparing myself for the worst. 

 

Symptoms in infected people have ranged from mild to severe. Around a quarter of confirmed cases are severe, according to the WHO. So far, the fatality rate is around 4 percent, though that could change as the outbreak progresses.

Edited February 23, 2020 by URMySunshine

[saengd]

1 minute ago, URMySunshine said:

They have been going crazy for the last month. I gave an alert on a post here a month ago here that there was a potential for this outcome.  

 

Forget tabloids. Here's a doctor's review of a study just released.

 

Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding:

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD - the new coronavirus is a 3.8!!! How bad is that reproductive R0 value? It is thermonuclear pandemic level bad -  I’m not exaggerating...  (R_O is the average number of new infections from each infected person)   https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1220919589623803905.html

 

we predict the epidemic in Wuhan will be substantially larger by 4 February (191,529 infections; prediction interval, 132,751-273,649), infection will be established in other Chinese cities, and importations to other countries will be more frequent. Our model suggests that..

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Ding

 

Crikey that is a horror stat. He must know what he is talking about. Imagine how many people get colds in an average year - most of us do now put the coronavirus into the mix and skew it towards the old, young and immune-deficient and you are looking at a health holocaust. I hope and pray he is wrong but I'm preparing myself for the worst. 

 

Symptoms in infected people have ranged from mild to severe. Around a quarter of confirmed cases are severe, according to the WHO. So far, the fatality rate is around 4 percent, though that could change as the outbreak progresses.

Your link shows the man doesn't know what he's talking about because twitter deleted it because it's bogus and he's a fake.

[URMySunshine]

13 minutes ago, saengd said:

Your link shows the man doesn't know what he's talking about because twitter deleted it because it's bogus and he's a fake.

Interesting, he's not exactly fake but he is Phd rather than a medical doctor but he is well informed and that said he may have deleted the thread rather than Twitter according to the 'dead link'. That said his response was the turning point for me in this narrative which has now moved onto to global credible sources. I know longer trawl Twitter for nutjobs and half truths. 

 

 

Edited February 23, 2020 by URMySunshine

[sungod]

1 hour ago, TheAppletons said:

 

 

We're certainly in for some interesting times.  Some otherwise (seemingly) rational people I know in the USA are already talking about moving to the middle of nowhere, hoarding food, water, guns, ammunition and trying to avoid contact with other people as much as possible.

I saw those guys on the discovery channel, Swamp people i think it was called

[URMySunshine]

9 minutes ago, sungod said:

I saw those guys on the discovery channel, Swamp people i think it was called

Here's a popular one...

 

 

[legend49]

Well you would report lower numbers after fiddling the new reporting process.

Todays cricket scores are:

 

Coronavirus Cases:

78,773

view by country

Deaths:

2,462

[Expat Brad]

5 hours ago, URMySunshine said:

WHO are a bit behind the curve but I think it is becoming clear that we are entering the global pandemic phase. 

 

https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1510158-20200222.htm

 

Viruses vary in how they infect. The new coronavirus -- unlike its cousins Sars, or severe acute respiratory syndrome, and Mers, or Middle East respiratory syndrome -- spreads as easily as a common cold.

And it's almost certainly being spread by people who show such mild symptoms that no one can tell, said Dr Amesh Adalja of the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.

"If that's the case, all of these containment methods are not going to work," Adalja said. "It's likely mixed in the cold and flu season all over the place, in multiple countries" and gone unnoticed until someone gets severely ill.

These milder symptoms are good news "in terms of not as many people dying," said Mackay, of Australia. "But it's really bad news if you are trying to stop a pandemic," he added. (AP)

80% get a sniffle 

20% Get more severe symptoms

2% DEATH RATE

Just over 2000 dead GLOBALLY

What a con job this is SHEEPLE!!!

[saengd]

This is interesting:

 

"Humans likely synthesized COVID-19, although more studies are needed to be certain, National Taiwan University (NTU) public health researcher Fang Chi-tai (方啟泰) said yesterday".

 

 

"Analyses of COVID-19 have shown that is has a 96 percent genetic similarity with an RaTG13 bat virus at the institute, he said. While viruses need to be at least 99 percent similar to call them “the same,” it is the differences in particular that have led researchers to speculate that COVID-19 was manufactured by modifying RaTG13, he said".

 

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2020/02/23/2003731479

[tifino]

Numbers Falling; as the Chinese planned their stealthy Mass Exodus early - Late 2019

[4MyEgo]

22 hours ago, URMySunshine said:

They have been going crazy for the last month. I gave an alert on a post here a month ago here that there was a potential for this outcome.  

 

Forget tabloids. Here's a doctor's review of a study just released.

 

Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding:

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD - the new coronavirus is a 3.8!!! How bad is that reproductive R0 value? It is thermonuclear pandemic level bad -  I’m not exaggerating...  (R_O is the average number of new infections from each infected person)   https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1220919589623803905.html

 

we predict the epidemic in Wuhan will be substantially larger by 4 February (191,529 infections; prediction interval, 132,751-273,649), infection will be established in other Chinese cities, and importations to other countries will be more frequent. Our model suggests that..

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Ding

 

Crikey that is a horror stat. He must know what he is talking about. Imagine how many people get colds in an average year - most of us do now put the coronavirus into the mix and skew it towards the old, young and immune-deficient and you are looking at a health holocaust. I hope and pray he is wrong but I'm preparing myself for the worst. 

 

Symptoms in infected people have ranged from mild to severe. Around a quarter of confirmed cases are severe, according to the WHO. So far, the fatality rate is around 4 percent, though that could change as the outbreak progresses.

Lets not forget, the stats that are reported are only of those that go to the hospital or are admitted to be checked, then recorded, with the mortality rate at around 3.12% on current up to date stats, what about all the ones that haven't gone to the hospital and are spreading it while trying to recover at home ?

 

I'm a little (alot) concerned at the spread, let's hope these clowns here in Thailand when they meet today do join the rest of the world at stopping the Chinese coming to Thailand to prevent any further spread, before the numbers, i.e. (the number they have been providing us with, 35, which I don't believe for a minute, are correct, and then watch the spread like in South Korea for example.

 

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR2CY5jFGa_Xl3d0BKAARqrW0RPh0FygFNHilpPq6V8fNuVz9bzSTh5J5EU#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6  

[saengd]

3 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Lets not forget, the stats that are reported are only of those that go to the hospital or are admitted to be checked, then recorded, with the mortality rate at around 3.12% on current up to date stats, what about all the ones that haven't gone to the hospital and are spreading it while trying to recover at home ?

 

I'm a little (alot) concerned at the spread, let's hope these clowns here in Thailand when they meet today do join the rest of the world at stopping the Chinese coming to Thailand to prevent any further spread, before the numbers, i.e. (the number they have been providing us with, 35, which I don't believe for a minute, are correct, and then watch the spread like in South Korea for example.

 

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR2CY5jFGa_Xl3d0BKAARqrW0RPh0FygFNHilpPq6V8fNuVz9bzSTh5J5EU#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6  

Are the countries with numbers similar to Thailand also idiots? 

Vietnam - 16

Malaysia - 22

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports

[Orton Rd]

18 hours ago, Expat Brad said:

80% get a sniffle 

20% Get more severe symptoms

2% DEATH RATE

Just over 2000 dead GLOBALLY

What a con job this is SHEEPLE!!!

Look at the figures, more like a 4% death rate, over 20x that of the flu and that could result in millions dead in a few months. 1918 pandemic killed at least 50 million with a death rate of 2.5% when there was almost no international travel

Edited February 24, 2020 by Orton Rd

[4MyEgo]

14 minutes ago, saengd said:

Are the countries with numbers similar to Thailand also idiots? 

Vietnam - 16

Malaysia - 22

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports

Believe what you like.

 

14 minutes ago, saengd said:

let's hope these clowns here in Thailand

My word.

 

Don't be putting words in my mouth, e.g. the word "idiots" is yours, perhaps look up the difference in meanings on Google if you don't know them.

 

[saengd]

That's not my quote!

 

But FWIW I'd rather believe the WHO than theorists on any social media platform.

Edited February 24, 2020 by saengd

[overherebc]

On BBC now. ( Italy )

City centre Bologna in lock down.

TV crews told if you go in you will not be allowed out.

Edited February 24, 2020 by overherebc

[overherebc]

35 minutes ago, overherebc said:

On BBC now. ( Italy )

City centre Bologna in lock down.

TV crews told if you go in you will not be allowed out.

Edit late because kept getting full page adds I don't want.

Sorry

Codonia, not Bologna, I mis-heard it the first time.