Top British home office mandarin quits over minister's behaviour

[sanemax]

21 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

You didnt answer my points.

Are you happy with an extreme right wing government purging the civil service and the judiciary? 

I dont know , Im not too good with dealing with hypothetical situations .

If it ever were to happen, then I will give it some thought

[samran]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

Well it had a good try at it for three years or so. Sir Philip has probably had the hump since at least 31st January.

 

 

Given that he and his department have been pretty good at implementing a hostile immigration environment for successive conservative ministers I’d suggest that they do the job tasked of them. 
 

What you write smacks of paranoia. 

[Rookiescot]

Just now, sanemax said:

I dont know , Im not too good with dealing with hypothetical situations .

If it ever were to happen, then I will give it some thought

Avoiding the stark realities facing you?

Seems to be a Brexiteer thing that.

[theoldgit]

17 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Can someone please explain the title of this article?I am American and don't understand how the term "Mandarin" applies. 

 

It's slang expression used in the UK to describe very senior career civil servants, ther term actually originates from China.
They're usually at Permanent and Under Secretary level, they're the ones that provide advice to Government Minister, who come and go regularly whilst they stay in post for years, also providing checks and balances and offering consistent advice.

[sanemax]

1 hour ago, puipuitom said:

Just use your brains...

I cannot work it out 

Could you explain ?

Hang about, I just worked it out .

A Government minster resign,( which is a common occurrence) 

And he thinks that this is the beginning of a new Nazi regime and that  Boris is the New Hitler and the UK will be the new Nazi Germany ?

  I do feel that hes over reacting to a Ministerial resignation 

Imagine his reaction if the resigning bloke would had taken Pretty Patels job by forcing her out ?

 

[lungbing]

7 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

And I am sick and tired of reading this for every person who doesn't get their own way.    Nobody has 'come' for him.  He's jumped before he was pushed and will do very well as a consultant, apart from his gold-plated pension.  He is not a martyr.

[melvinmelvin]

59 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

The civil servant is obliged to not mislead the minister and advise given regard to all the facts and evidence.

Thus if what the minister is suggesting is unlawful the CS is duty bound to say so.

 

See the civil service code and civil service ethical code.

to not mislead? by all means yes

 

however I am not convinced about this duty bound bit

 

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, sanemax said:

I cannot work it out 

Could you explain ?

Hang about, I just worked it out .

A Government minster resign,( which is a common occurrence) 

And he thinks that this is the beginning of a new Nazi regime and that  Boris is the New Hitler and the UK will be the new Nazi Germany ?

  I do feel that hes over reacting to a Ministerial resignation 

Imagine his reaction if the resigning bloke would had taken Pretty Patels job by forcing her out ?

 

And the threats to the judiciary? Or the BBC?

Come on man you must see whats going on here.

[melvinmelvin]

40 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

What's a "mandarin?"

a variant of the fruit orange or som if you like

 

[sanemax]

14 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Avoiding the stark realities facing you?

Seems to be a Brexiteer thing that.

No, the Conservative Government isnt "far right" and the civil service and the judiciary are not getting purged .

   You do sound rather paranoid

[sanemax]

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

And the threats to the judiciary? Or the BBC?

Come on man you must see whats going on here.

Missed that , What threats were those ?

[Rookiescot]

12 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Missed that , What threats were those ?

Try google.

[cleopatra2]

17 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

to not mislead? by all means yes

 

however I am not convinced about this duty bound bit

 

Let me dispel your doubts and send you to the Crag 2010 Act which states the codes principles.

[cleopatra2]

22 minutes ago, sanemax said:

I cannot work it out 

Could you explain ?

Hang about, I just worked it out .

A Government minster resign,( which is a common occurrence) 

And he thinks that this is the beginning of a new Nazi regime and that  Boris is the New Hitler and the UK will be the new Nazi Germany ?

  I do feel that hes over reacting to a Ministerial resignation 

Imagine his reaction if the resigning bloke would had taken Pretty Patels job by forcing her out ?

 

Which government minister has resigned?

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, cleopatra2 said:

Which government minister has resigned?

Mr Mandarin , dont know his first name 

[sanemax]

6 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Try google.

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/litigation/initiatives/committee-on-american-judicial-system/in-the-news/threats-to-judicial-independence-and-rule-of-law/

 

  No need to worry, that was in the USA

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/litigation/initiatives/committee-on-american-judicial-system/in-the-news/threats-to-judicial-independence-and-rule-of-law/

 

  No need to worry, that was in the USA

Keep trying you will get there.

[cleopatra2]

4 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Mr Mandarin , dont know his first name 

Ok 

He is a civil servant

The only minister to have resigned recently is the former Chancellor

[sanemax]

Just now, cleopatra2 said:

Ok 

He is a civil servant

The only minister to have resigned recently is the former Chancellor

Yes, I made a mistake 

[sanemax]

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Keep trying you will get there.

Wont be trying anymore , post them up if you want 

[melvinmelvin]

8 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

Let me dispel your doubts and send you to the Crag 2010 Act which states the codes principles.

send smth else

 

been through the referenced statute (not syllable by syllable - but have been through)

doesn't offer much nitty gritty

the statute is more in the direction of drawing up the overall organisational arrangement of CS and putting boxes

in  the right order

 

a good framework under which to make the formalities of the CS

 

[Rookiescot]

Just now, sanemax said:

Wont be trying anymore , post them up if you want 

So you are completely unaware of the threats to the BBC and the judiciary that Johnson and his right wing government have made?

Seriously?

[cleopatra2]

19 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

send smth else

 

been through the referenced statute (not syllable by syllable - but have been through)

doesn't offer much nitty gritty

the statute is more in the direction of drawing up the overall organisational arrangement of CS and putting boxes

in  the right order

 

a good framework under which to make the formalities of the CS

 

The legislation  lists the 4 main principles of the civil service code.

 

Look here

https://www.civilservant.org.uk/ethics-no_minister.html

Edited March 1, 2020 by cleopatra2

[sanemax]

13 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

So you are completely unaware of the threats to the BBC and the judiciary that Johnson and his right wing government have made?

Seriously?

Yes, although I sometimes go days without looking at UK news .

Could you post some links , 

[Rookiescot]

8 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Yes, although I sometimes go days without looking at UK news .

Could you post some links , 

No point.

[sanemax]

6 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

No point.

There is , you can post the links to back up your claim that the UK is turning into 1939  Nazi Germany and that we will all soon be in concentration camps .

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, samran said:

Given that he and his department have been pretty good at implementing a hostile immigration environment for successive conservative ministers I’d suggest that they do the job tasked of them. 
 

What you write smacks of paranoia. 

Don't be silly, he was at MO Transport for most of the time of recent Tory rule. Paranoia pah doo widdle to you too.

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

There is , you can post the links to back up your claim that the UK is turning into 1939  Nazi Germany and that we will all soon be in concentration camps .

Where did I mention 1939 nazi Germany or concentration camps?

[sanemax]

5 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Where did I mention 1939 nazi Germany or concentration camps?

Posts 15, 26 & 27 

(OK I did paraphrase you, but thats what you implied )

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, theoldgit said:

 

It's slang expression used in the UK to describe very senior career civil servants, ther term actually originates from China.
They're usually at Permanent and Under Secretary level, they're the ones that provide advice to Government Minister, who come and go regularly whilst they stay in post for years, also providing checks and balances and offering consistent advice.

It is no accident that Whitehall officials are known as Mandarins. Their language is often as hard to understand as anything spoken in Beijing.

 

https://www.civilservant.org.uk/misc-humour-homepage.html