Trump suspends all travel from Europe to the United States to fight coronavirus

[smedly]

3 hours ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

Did it state that in the report ??

That is how you identify a UK citizen travelling out of the UK to the US

[car720]

Well, Russia had the Iron curtain and China had the Bamboo curtain.  Will this one be the Cowboy curtain?  

[SCOTT FITZGERSLD]

4 hours ago, dcsw53 said:

there was nothing to worry about

indeed there is nothing to worry about.

i mean, you can't stop all life and work and travel because of a virus.

it is just imposible.

way more people will die because of the unprecedented economic crisis that 

this travel and movement ban will create, than from this virus.

it is the idiots from the WHO who drive the world crazy.

they are too hysteric and academic. 

you can't stop life in order to stop a virus from spreading.

soon they will realise it and all will go back to normal, with new 

virus in the air.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Looks like the US CDC has yet to update their own coronavirus travel info webpage as yet......

 

Still only showing China and Iran with entry bans on coming into the U.S.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/index.html

 

 

[JHolmesJr]

If, some years from now, this turns out to be a sinister conspiracy to reverse

globalism, it will go down as one of the most diabolical but effective means

ever drummed up.

[SCOTT FITZGERSLD]

4 hours ago, Berkshire said:

it is in fact a serious public health matter

much more serious problem will be this travel ban.

many more lives will be destroyed by it.

trump know it, he knows that there is over reaction to this virus,

he knows that millions of lives will be destroyed, if you stop travel

and block economies like that. riots, violence, even world war can start

just like that, because of few months of blockage.

but he was propably pressed by his advisors and other ministers to

do so.

[Eric Loh]

5 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

If, some years from now, this turns out to be a sinister conspiracy to reverse

globalism, it will go down as one of the most diabolical but effective means

ever drummed up.

Are you staying away from crowd, wear your face mask and wash your hand regularly. 

[Baerboxer]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And another ‘hate’.

 

All who oppose left wing liberal socialist politics are vile racist fascists.

 

But any who point out that a considerable number of those pc socialists hate Trump cause you to comment.

 

Any your point is what? You think they're wrong? Or just in your parrot mode?

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

3 hours ago, spiekerjozef said:

Love the US healthcare system, 1600 dollars for a corona virus test.

You are so <deleted> ! 555

 

Supposedly, the U.S. insurance industry told Trump the other day that they would waive co-pays/deductibles at least for CV testing for Americans with health insurance. But I haven't heard peepers about what's supposed to happen for the many Americans who, thanks to Trump, DON'T have any health insurance whatsoever.

[JHolmesJr]

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Are you staying away from crowd, wear your face mask and wash your hand regularly. 

 

no I am attending an orgy later

[WalkingOrders]

47 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Trump or Biden. What a choice?!

Easy.... a guy who get things done, who is consistent....arogant .... but probably great to hang around and go drinking with

 

Or

 

A creepy half mindless money grubbing goof who doesnt know what day it is.

[cornishcarlos]

22 minutes ago, smedly said:

That is how you identify a UK citizen travelling out of the UK to the US

 

Very true but in Trumps speech he doesn't say it only applies to U.K citizens.

He says travel from the U.K isn't restricted... 

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

All who oppose left wing liberal socialist politics are vile racist fascists.

 

But any who point out that a considerable number of those pc socialists hate Trump cause you to comment.

 

Any your point is what? You think they're wrong? Or just in your parrot mode?

 

‘Parrot mode’ you said.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Easy.... a guy who get things done, who is consistent....arogant .... but probably great to hang around and go drinking with

 

Or

 

A creepy half mindless money grubbing goof who doesnt know what day it is.

Yes, Trump is both of these.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

3 hours ago, sanemax said:

This is about a virus and its effects on people and the economy and the stock markets .

Very little that Trump can do to effect those things .

 

That's simply wrong.  It's true the virus is the virus and no one can change that. But the rate at which the infections spread, and how many people will get sick and die, all can be influenced by the responses (or lack thereof) of the federal government and the public health authorities.

 

The U.S., sitting on the sidelines and watching the virus slowly explode in China, had a chance to get out in front of this thing, advance order and stock medical supplies, ramp up the capacity for CV testing, various other measures. But instead, because of Trump, much of the U.S. govt diddled, denied and deflected until things began to go bad, as they are going now.

 

The U.S. lost its chance at early intervention and prevention, and now is going to pay a price for those failures... and a lot of that failure is directly attributable to Trump and his various lies and misstatements on the reality of CV.

 

 

[Sujo]

4 minutes ago, smedly said:

what part of it are you not understanding - it is very simple 

 

UK citizens have a UK passport - do I need to repeat that or is two times enough

Im a uk citizen but dont use a uk passport.

[smedly]

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

That's simply wrong.  It's true the virus is the virus and no one can change that. But the rate at which the infections spread, and how many people will get sick and die, all can be influenced by the responses (or lack thereof) of the federal government and the public health authorities.

 

The U.S., sitting on the sidelines and watching the virus slowly explode in China, had a chance to get out in front of this thing, advance order and stock medical supplies, ramp up the capacity for CV testing, various other measures. But instead, because of Trump, much of the U.S. govt diddled, denied and deflected until things began to go bad, as they are going now.

 

The U.S. lost its chance at early intervention and prevention, and now is going to pay a price for those failures... and a lot of that failure is directly attributable to Trump and his various lies and misstatements on the reality of CV.

 

 

I think it is true to say that most of the world is now looking like they dropped the ball on this one, China kept it hidden for at least a month before the true nature of this was understood almost 8 weeks later

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, smedly said:

I think it is true to say that most of the world is now looking like they dropped the ball on this one, China kept it hidden for at least a month before the true nature of this was understood almost 8 weeks later

Yes, thanks a lot china.

[smedly]

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Im a uk citizen but dont use a uk passport.

you won't be able to travel to the US then - your choice

 

In general UK citizens hold UK passports

[sanemax]

9 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

 

The U.S., sitting on the sidelines and watching the virus slowly explode in China, had a chance to get out in front of this thing, advance order and stock medical supplies, ramp up the capacity for CV testing, various other measures. But instead, because of Trump, much of the U.S. govt diddled, denied and deflected until things began to go bad, as they are going now.

 

.

 

 

Which medical supplies are in short supply now in the USA ?

Is there a shortage of CV testing kits in the USA , but saying that, if anyone has flu like symptoms, they really should be self isolating anyway ?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

You would have hoped Trump could have at least gotten his speech right the first time around, but that I guess was too much to be hoped for... So now, after the fact, we get all the corrections, clarifications, amplifications:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/coronavirus-global-pandemic-outbreak-spreading/2020/03/11/246998ec-63b6-11ea-b3fc-7841686c5c57_story.html

 

--restricting travel to the United States from Europe (excluding the UK) for 30 days, beginning Friday at midnight.

 

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Trump initially described his restrictions on travel from Europe as a total ban, telling the nation that the United States “will be suspending all travel from Europe to the United States for the next 30 days” and saying that “these prohibitions will not only apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo but various other things as we get approval. Anything coming from Europe to the United States is what we are discussing.”

The president corrected himself on Twitter shortly after the Oval Office speech, noting that “trade will in no way be affected by the 30-day restriction on travel from Europe. The restriction stops people not goods.”

 

 

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Ken Cuccinelli, acting deputy secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, also tweeted a clarification, saying that the restrictions do not apply “to American citizens or legal permanent residents or their families,” indicating that the restrictions would apply only to foreign nationals. 

 

[digibum]

4 minutes ago, smedly said:

I think it is true to say that most of the world is now looking like they dropped the ball on this one, China kept it hidden for at least a month before the true nature of this was understood almost 8 weeks later

 

Although I can't think of any particular country off the top of my head, I'm sure there were some that did all they could and deserve a pat on the back.  But most of the rest sat there like deer caught in the headlights. 

 

And @TallGuyJohninBKK is dead on.  It didn't have to go this way.  The US had several weeks to get out ahead of this but Trump was too concerned about the optics of it so he downplayed it rather than putting the US on high-alert and giving people the resources they need. 

 

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, digibum said:

 

Although I can't think of any particular country off the top of my head, I'm sure there were some that did all they could and deserve a pat on the back.  But most of the rest sat there like deer caught in the headlights. 

 

And @TallGuyJohninBKK is dead on.  It didn't have to go this way.  The US had several weeks to get out ahead of this but Trump was too concerned about the optics of it so he downplayed it rather than putting the US on high-alert and giving people the resources they need. 

 

What measures should Donald have taken and how should he have put the USA on "high alert"?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

50 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Which medical supplies are in short supply now in the USA ?

Is there a shortage of CV testing kits in the USA , but saying that, if anyone has flu like symptoms, they really should be self isolating anyway ?

 

There are shortages of everything, and if you don't realize that, you haven't been paying attention:

 

N95 masks, gloves, gowns and CV testing kits to be sure.

 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/were-behind-curve-us-hospitals-confront-challenges-large-scale-coronavirus-testing
 

Quote

 

“As the president said, anyone who on a doctor's order wants to be tested, can, at a doctor's indication, be tested now,” Pence said.

 

Not so, says physician and epidemiologist Michael Mina, who helps run the diagnostic lab at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston and has been critical of the Trump administration in blistering tweets. “The reality is most people will not be able to get a test this week, and most people will not be able to get a test next week,” Mina says.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/09/health/coronavirus-n95-face-masks.html

 

Quote

 

Some Hospitals Are Close to Running Out of Crucial Masks for Coronavirus

N95 masks are essential for protecting health care workers and controlling the epidemic, but some hospitals have been unable to get new shipments as supplies dwindle.
...

With global supplies already depleted from the outbreak in China and manufacturers facing an explosion of new orders as the virus spreads, some hospitals in the United States have been unable to get new shipments of N95 masks or even an estimate of when they might become available.
...

The federal government’s Strategic National Stockpile of medical supplies includes 12 million medical-grade N95 masks and 30 million surgical masks — only about one percent of the 3.5 billion that the Department of Health and Human Services estimates would be needed over the course of a year if the outbreak reaches pandemic levels. 

 

 

Edited March 12, 2020 by metisdead
Edited as per fair use policy.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

What measures should Donald have taken and how should he have put the USA on "high alert"?

It’s not simply what he should have done, it’s also what he should not have done; firing the pandemic response team and cutting funding to the CDC being examples.

 

The first thing he needs to get right is credibility, sadly that horse has already bolted.

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

There are shortages of everything, and if you don't realize that, you haven't been paying attention:

 

N95 masks, gloves, gowns and CV testing kits to be sure.

 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/were-behind-curve-us-hospitals-confront-challenges-large-scale-coronavirus-testing

 

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/09/health/coronavirus-n95-face-masks.html

 

 

 

Is it Donalds job to order supplies for Hospitals ?

I would have thought that hospitals themselves would order their own supply's and not rely on Donald to order their supplies 

[cornishcarlos]

26 minutes ago, smedly said:

you won't be able to travel to the US then - your choice

 

Where has it been said that only U.K passport holders will be able to travel to US from U.K ?? 

Please provide a credible link because I can't find one anywhere !!

[WalkingOrders]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Let's not be deliberately stupid here... It's the president's job to marshal and direct the resources of the federal government. That includes the Dept of HHS and the CDC, which are responsible for coordinating the U.S. CV response. And their duties include ensuring that states and localities across the country, as well as the federal governnment, have access to the resources they need.

 

Do you honestly think, that the US CDC needs Donald Trump to tell them what to do? Certain functions require President approval , example allocating some additional funds, some coordinating inter agency, but they know what to do.

[digibum]

5 minutes ago, sanemax said:

What measures should Donald have taken and how should he have put the USA on "high alert"?

The first measure he could have taken was to take the virus seriously and not go on TV and tell people that it was no worse than the flu and that it would magically disappear on its own or that there was a vaccine that was probably going to be available in a few months when his own people, in the same meeting he said it, told him it would be more like 12 - 18 months. 

 

We all knew about the washing your hands and avoiding crowds thing weeks and weeks ago when it was spreading through Thailand and Asia.  He could have started getting that information out there to the American public long before the US had even their first case. 

 

The thing about viruses is that you may not be able to prevent them from getting to the US, but you can slow down how quickly they spread once they arrive.  He waited until it spread before he started to act. 

 

It's quite obvious that he's operating on his back foot right now.  He's reacting to the news as it unfolds.  That doesn't inspire confidence and that's why you're seeing markets react so terribly to his rather lackluster plans.  That's not Trump hating or Trump bashing, that is about as clear a sign as you can get because it's the worldwide consensus of investors. 

 

People want to hear a plan. 

 

And before you ask what type of plan I would like to hear, I don't know.  I'm not president of the United States.  He ran for the job and now it's his.  It's his job to figure out what the American people and investors need to hear. 

[sanemax]

4 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Let's not be deliberately stupid here... It's the president's job to marshal and direct the resources of the federal government. That includes the Dept of HHS and the CDC, which are responsible for coordinating the U.S. CV response. And their duties include ensuring that states and localities across the country, as well as the federal governnment, have access to the resources they need.

 

Fair enough, its the POTUS's job to make sure Hospitals dont run out of supplies 

I'll just send Trump  a message and remind him to get some face masks ordered and some hand gel ......and also some toilet paper as well, just incase people panic buy