Trump urges U.S. to halt most social activity in virus fight, warns of recession

[zydeco]

7 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

I dont quite understand your first sentence, which appears to be a talking point screed, but as to the second, would you want it as a one off, or every month?

 

And do you think the Executive has the power to distribute money that way without an act of Congress?

 

And is that your complaint, that he hasnt given away money yet?

 

Would you be in favour of Bill DeBlasios demsnd for nationalization of key industries?

Already its gone from crisis to catastrophe? As to the USA, when did that happen?

 

Yet, you can point to nothing as to what he should be doing other than giving free money to every American, including folks like me, who dont need it.

1) Not a talking point. A fact.

 

2) There is already a move in congress to do just what I proposed and make it on a yearly basis until the crisis subsides. A fact.

 

3) He's already given away $1.5 trillion in ill timed tax cuts with his Ryanista friends in 2017. A fact.

 

4) Nationalize certain industries? Yes. Health care, for one. And it shouldn't bother Trumpers too much, as they seem to think socialism in the stock market is a good thing, when it benefits them on the way up.

 

5) If you don't need the money, send it back to the Treasury. Nothing stops you from doing that. Meanwhile, a lot of people on the edge who aren't the second coming of Diamond Jim Brady, as you apparently think you are, those people could certainly use it.

 

6) You don't talk like someone who voted for Trump. You talk like someone who is married to him.

[bristolboy]

What really funny is how Fox News and its gang of malefactors like Sean Hannity have suddenly discovered that COVID merits serious attention:

On Fox News, suddenly a very different tune about the coronavirus

 

With Trump’s declaration on Friday that the virus constitutes a national emergency, the tone on Fox News has quickly shifted.

On his program on Friday, Hannity — the most watched figure on cable news — lauded the president’s handling of what the host is now, belatedly, referring to as a “crisis.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/on-fox-news-suddenly-a-very-different-tune-about-the-coronavirus/2020/03/16/7a7637cc-678f-11ea-9923-57073adce27c_story.html

[Sujo]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That might have happened anyway.

But because they did massive testing they actually KNOW whats happening. The US does not.

[Nyezhov]

3 minutes ago, zydeco said:

Not a talking point. A fact.

Your personal politics are showing.

 

3 minutes ago, zydeco said:

There is already a move in congress to do just what I proposed and make it on a yearly basis until the crisis subsides. A fact.

And sio the fact that Congress hasnt acted is the fault of our President?

 

4 minutes ago, zydeco said:

He's already given away $1.5 trillion in ill timed tax cuts with his Ryanista friends in 2017. A fact.

So politics are showing again.

 

5 minutes ago, zydeco said:

Nationalize certain industries? Yes. Health care, for one.

Now your politics are out for all to see.

 

So there ya go. More nebulous complaing about our President with nothing to back it up other than the tired same old same old screeching. Of course, you couple it with personal insults apropos of nothing, so Ill just add you too to my ignore list, that way you can join your coherts in following me about and giving me little sad emojis or responding to the ether as opposed to me.

[spiekerjozef]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

Trump urges U.S. to halt most social activity in virus fight

Social activity? Nobody knows what that means anymore.

The younger generation's social activity is Facebook.

Not sure that will stop the virus.

[Nyezhov]

12 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That might have happened anyway.

No, testing is a cure! 

[earlinclaifornia]

1 hour ago, Nyezhov said:

What do you want him to do? Not Monday morning quarterbacking about yesterday with a longstanding bias and hostility to our Presdient, but practicaly, what exactly do you want him to do, right now.

He has only one real responsibility and that is to tell the TRUTH. That has been uncharacteristic of him. Calling this Just the flu, during the onslaught when he should have been listening to the experts is unacceptable!He wasted precise time when action was drastically needed. Then to make this worse he tried to blame Obama for his shortcomings is truly SAD.

[Susco]

17 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

30 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That might have happened anyway.

No, testing is a cure! 

Shame there is no cure for ignorance

[earlinclaifornia]

30 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That might have happened anyway.

They actually have more recoveries daily than new cases!

[bristolboy]

16 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

No, testing is a cure! 

Not a cure but it's a key to massively reducing its damage:

China And South Korea Models Seem Like Only Way To Contain COVID-19

"The other model is South Korea’s massive free testing and treatment, which also corralled the disease and kept new infection rates low. Mortality rates are even lower at just under 1%."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2020/03/12/china-and-south-korea-models-seem-like-only-way-to-contain-covid-19/#2e1a51d647d3

[Susco]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

He said he thought it would still be possible for G7 leaders to meet at the Camp David retreat in Maryland in June. Trump upset European countries, which make up a large part of the G7, by instituting travel restrictions from European countries without consulting with them first.

I'm sure he will make an exemption to the travel restrictions if the G7 meeting is done at the Mar a Lago resort

[earlinclaifornia]

34 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That might have happened anyway.

The experts say that SK was the best example of actions to contain. USA was the WORST. Where are you getting your FACTS?

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

The experts say that SK was the best example of actions to contain. USA was the WORST. Where are you getting your FACTS?

A key to South Korea's success was massive random sampling via tests. 1 out of every 200 South Koreans were chosen to participate. Of course, Trump refused WHO's offer of test kits when the US had virtually none. Instead he chose to have the USA develop its own. Because, you know, buy American! MAGA!

Edited March 17, 2020 by bristolboy

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Are they needed on the scale that people are demanding? Personally I doubt it.

I posted an article above which describes that a person with corona symptoms was not allowed to have the test.

And this was not about money, they just refused the test several times because the person was not in a so called high risk country. The person was in Spain and now the USA restricts travel from Spain - but still does not allow testing. Strange!

 

Obviously I don't know how often that happens. But reading the news that until now the USA tested about as many people in total like South Korea tests per day is not exactly a good sign.

And looking at Trump's statements over the last weeks it's obvious that he ignored and downplayed the situation for too long.

Lots of people will die because of his incompetence. 

[gamb00ler]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't get the "I want a test" business. Did everyone run out and get a test when they thought they had flue, which kills loads of people?

Unless one has symptoms, why get one? Do they pick it up when one is asymptomatic but infectious? If one has a test and it is negative, does one keep getting them every week, just in case?

You make it sound so simple.  It's not.  Also there is almost no correspondence to influenza so why do you often conflate the two?

 

There is one facet of COVID-19 that makes testing much more important.  At least one study is reporting that asymptomatic virus carriers are less likely to be spreaders but still account for 50% of the newly infected.  If the study is correct, testing of those without symptoms make a lot of sense, especially for care givers.  I don't have the link, but I do remember one of the authors had the surname Shaman. 

 

Many people may know that they have had an indirect exposure to an infected person and would like to avoid the recommended self quarantine.  Knowing that they're currently virus free means they can be with their family.  Would that be of value to you if you were in that situation?  Perhaps one of their responsibilities is care of an elderly person.  The fact that you don't get this isn't surprising.  I'm sure if you put your mind to it you would find a few more situations where a negative test result has value even though that value will degrade over time.

Edited March 17, 2020 by gamb00ler

[bristolboy]

I read that Mar y Lago was closed down on Monday for deep cleaning due to it being a COVID hot zone. But that his beach club is still open. Just because the CDC says gatherings should be less than 50 people is no reason to give up profit. Let's see if Mar y Lago reopens today.

[gamb00ler]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Why is testing a federal responsibility? Isn't it a state responsibility?

The answer is pretty easy to find.  FDA CDC are clues.

[Berkshire]

44 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

What really funny is how Fox News and its gang of malefactors like Sean Hannity have suddenly discovered that COVID merits serious attention:

On Fox News, suddenly a very different tune about the coronavirus

 

With Trump’s declaration on Friday that the virus constitutes a national emergency, the tone on Fox News has quickly shifted.

On his program on Friday, Hannity — the most watched figure on cable news — lauded the president’s handling of what the host is now, belatedly, referring to as a “crisis.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/on-fox-news-suddenly-a-very-different-tune-about-the-coronavirus/2020/03/16/7a7637cc-678f-11ea-9923-57073adce27c_story.html

That's the standard Trump/right wing MO.  Just keep lying and lying until you can't lie anymore.  Then change your tune and never admit that you were lying in the first place.  This is why these people should never be in charge of anything, let alone actually govern a country. 

[gamb00ler]

2 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

What do you want him to do? Not Monday morning quarterbacking about yesterday with a longstanding bias and hostility to our Presdient, but practicaly, what exactly do you want him to do, right now.

I think you left the door wide open with that question.  I trust TV members will show restraint.

[gamb00ler]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

South Korea has engaged in a massive program of early testing. The result: COVID infections are already leveling off.

 

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That might have happened anyway.

It certainly would eventually level off at a future time regardless of any human action.  Without preventative/protective/treatment effort I think one of more likely results would be ~1% of the population dead, ~85% survivors who would then possibly be immune and ~14% uninfected who have been unbelievably lucky, but who may yet succumb.  The Dear Leader would then have to hide in a hole like Saddam.

Edited March 17, 2020 by gamb00ler

[gargamon]

Come on, everything must be ok, Trump gave himself a rating of 10/10 for his handling of the crisis.

[zydeco]

1 minute ago, gargamon said:

Come on, everything must be ok, Trump gave himself a rating of 10/10 for his handling of the crisis.

We need to accept improvements where we find them. At least today, he didn't wear his black baseball cap and there wasn't a parade of CEOs getting free advertisements for their companies at the White House. But, that Deborah Birx has sure got that head nod thing down to an art form. As soon as Trump comes up, she's nodding like a crazed bobblehead doll.

[gamb00ler]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If everybody does actually stop doing most things, recession is guaranteed because of everybody stopping doing most things. If no small businesses are making any money, they will go broke. That's pretty obvious but what are governments around the world going to do when it's all over and millions are broke and unemployed?

Start that infrastructure project?  A Newer Deal?  Eat what's grown domestically?  Nationalize banks?

Somethings that are currently unpalatable?

We will still have an incredible accumulation of human capital.

Edited March 17, 2020 by gamb00ler

[Phoenix Rising]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Are they needed on the scale that people are demanding? Personally I doubt it.

Have a look at this article, it might change your mind.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/16/opinions/south-korea-italy-coronavirus-survivability-sepkowitz/index.html

[Phoenix Rising]

2 hours ago, Sujo said:

Resign.

Hallelujah!

[Phoenix Rising]

1 hour ago, Nyezhov said:

Your personal politics are showing.

 

And sio the fact that Congress hasnt acted is the fault of our President?

 

So politics are showing again.

 

Now your politics are out for all to see.

And where do you think your politics are?

[gamb00ler]

40 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Have a look at this article, it might change your mind.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/16/opinions/south-korea-italy-coronavirus-survivability-sepkowitz/index.html

Those 3 "nasty" letters in the link will ensure that it isn't read or red enough.

 

Actually, that is a very good article that I had overlooked.  Thanks

Edited March 17, 2020 by gamb00ler

[bristolboy]

14 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

Those 3 "nasty" letters in the link will ensure that it isn't read or red enough.

That's why I chose the Wall Street Journal article about that. But I guess maybe its owner, Rupert Murdoch, who also owns Fox News, is also a player in the Deep State conspiracy?

Edited March 17, 2020 by bristolboy

[mtls2005]

1 hour ago, gargamon said:

Come on, everything must be ok, Trump gave himself a rating of 10/10 for his handling of the crisis.

 

Correct. Best handling of a pandemic EVER. That's what people are telling me.

 

potus said it was "under tremendous control".

 

 

[gamb00ler]

1 hour ago, gargamon said:

Come on, everything must be ok, Trump gave himself a rating of 10/10 for his handling of the crisis.

I'm happy enough because at least the fiddle music stopped.