Overstaying in Thailand during the Covid outbreak

[Gweiloman]

18 minutes ago, jacob29 said:

It would seem quite unlikely in the current climate. Though I do wonder, when they have all the info at hand (with the hotels registering guest information), does it get pro-actively enforced?

If anything, I would say it’s more likely in the current climate. Immigration would undoubtedly know that there will be a lot more overstayers than previously so they will be even more vigilant in checking farangs, even those just walking on the streets. These sort of times are a real bonus for them. 

[CharlieH]

7 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

I know a few people with 5 + years of overstay so it is possible.

However the immigration will have no clue about them as their records will be in some dusty storage facility 

The new overstayers will be easier to find as their current location will be more up to date on their database

 

KEEP PLENTY OF MONEY AVAILABLE. You need to be able to pay your way out before you get processed

The Japanese guy was on 10 yrs overstay ! They got him easily thanks to a phonecall so time wont help either.

[Canuck1966]

1 minute ago, CharlieH said:

The Japanese guy was on 10 yrs overstay ! They got him easily thanks to a phonecall so time wont help either.

Yeh I reckon that was so they could steal his house, poor <deleted>.

Wonder if he died in IDC?

[theVenerable]

1 minute ago, Canuck1966 said:

Yeh I reckon that was so they could steal his house, poor <deleted>.

Wonder if he died in IDC?

They treat you badly in IDC?
What does IDC stand for, 'I Don't Care' ?

[Canuck1966]

2 minutes ago, theVenerable said:

They treat you badly in IDC?
What does IDC stand for, 'I Don't Care' ?

https://www.ucanews.com/news/caged-like-animals-inside-bangkoks-notorious-idc/87104

[theVenerable]

13 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

https://www.ucanews.com/news/caged-like-animals-inside-bangkoks-notorious-idc/87104

Ah..so it's 'I'm Damn Cruel' then.

That might be a risk I'm not willing to take after all  ????

Edited March 20, 2020 by theVenerable

[jacob29]

30 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

If anything, I would say it’s more likely in the current climate. Immigration would undoubtedly know that there will be a lot more overstayers than previously so they will be even more vigilant in checking farangs, even those just walking on the streets. These sort of times are a real bonus for them. 

Yes will be easier than ever to find overstayers if they want to, I'm just unsure they will want the publicity that goes with 'caught 30 day overstayer, who then died in jail from CV19'. Cannot rule it out though.

[SpanishExpat]

54 minutes ago, BritTim said:

I just checked the Cambodian e-visa site, and it appears still to be issuing visas. That would mean using Poipet/Aran (the only land crossing from Thailand that accepts the Cambodian e-visas) which is risky at the best of times. If you get the e-visa, my guess is that there are no casino buses running now. Thus, you would need to use time consuming regular public transport to get there, or an expensive taxi. If desperate, it is probably worth a try.

There are stories that they turn down people by passport, NOT caring if you have been to Europe, USA etc in the last 14 days. If I just a had a few days left and that being my last chance...of course I would try it. But the reality is, that even official government sites are not 100% reliable the last days.

[Canuck1966]

1 minute ago, jacob29 said:

Yes will be easier than ever to find overstayers if they want to, I'm just unsure they will want the publicity that goes with 'caught 30 day overstayer, who then died in jail from CV19'. Cannot rule it out though.

They don't care, just lie and obfuscate, tbf they are the masters of it

[theVenerable]

8 minutes ago, SpanishExpat said:

There are stories that they turn down people by passport, NOT caring if you have been to Europe, USA etc in the last 14 days. If I just a had a few days left and that being my last chance...of course I would try it. But the reality is, that even official government sites are not 100% reliable the last days.

Yea, I was in a visa run shop and the woman said the same thing.
They don't care that I've not even been in the UK for two months, they just care that I am British and therefore wont let me enter.

Spose I'll p** off back to the uk and sleep under a hedge.

P.S  Any chance the moderators here can get rid of those damn pop up video ads on the bottom right? They cover up my buttons

Edited March 20, 2020 by theVenerable

[sanemax]

I will probably be going on overstay soon 

I will max it out , pay the fine and receive a ban , if I max it out long enough 

Not bothered 

Having been a guest here for quite a few years , always keeping my visa valid , if they are going to chuck me under a bus when times get difficult , I dont mind maxing out my overstay , paying 20 000 baht , a few days in IDC and departing 

[JacobD]

If you guys can try to make till at least mid to late April (with or without extension provided by Thai govt if its applicable), a ton of new countries in Asia will have finished their suspension on closing their borders (either by direct or having to stop issuing visas).

 

I think all the neighboring countries around Thailand will finish in mid to late April on their suspensions, and I think at least one or two will come through. It is unpredictable what will happen, but hopefully thats the case.

So maybe a border run if your visa or what have you can make it through.

I guess best to plan how to get back to Thailand but they too may shutdown as others start to open up. Hmmm.

 

[scubascuba3]

it seems people will have no choice but to overstay. Immigration may announce something in the coming days\weeks. If you end up being banned for a year or more then you have to live with it, other more important things to worry about now

[cornishcarlos]

6 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

it seems people will have no choice but to overstay. Immigration may announce something in the coming days\weeks. If you end up being banned for a year or more then you have to live with it, other more important things to worry about now

 

Probably important to people that have family in Thailand, wouldn't you think ??

I'm currently stuck in Singapore, hoping it's not for more than a few weeks... 

My wife is self isolation back in Thailand as she came to visit me last week before they started locking things down...

[DrJack54]

7 hours ago, BritTim said:

Demand that Lufthansa provide you with an alternative. That might mean leaving early. Lufthansa may want to refund rather than reroute you. Do not accept that.

My experience with airlines is that has zero chance. 

[Matzzon]

An overstay thread? Okey, that´s easy. Overstaying in Thailand is against the Immigration law, and a person should not deliberately do that. For people that Immigration deem are legit and have a reason to stay in Thailand, there will be options given.

[samsensam]

2 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

An overstay thread? Okey, that´s easy. Overstaying in Thailand is against the Immigration law, and a person should not deliberately do that. For people that Immigration deem are legit and have a reason to stay in Thailand, there will be options given.

 

absolutely, unless there is a reason why you cannot leave within the specified legal period you should leave, that's the law.

 

if you are unable to leave, for whatever reason, you should go to your local immigration office with the relevant evidence and discuss with an IO.

 

[BritTim]

39 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

My experience with airlines is that has zero chance. 

If you know your rights, and make sure the airline realises that you do, you have a lot of leverage. The penalties to the airline of failing to meet its legal obligations can be severe. It makes sense for the airlines to stiff those who are ignorant of the law, while bending to the demands of those who make it clear they will sue if necessary. It may be painful for Lufthansa to comply, but there is no way they can claim there is no way to reschedule you (on other airlines at their expense if necessary)

[jacko45k]

8 hours ago, Canuck1966 said:

One person with whu flu could wipe out hundreds in a few days.

And I thought infections were asymptomatic for 5-15 days... but let us not let facts cloud a grisly image. 

[Canuck1966]

4 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

And I thought infections were asymptomatic for 5-15 days... but let us not let facts cloud a grisly image. 

That's the whole point!

Somebody goes in and spreads it to everybody. Inside 10 days everyone has it and shows symptoms

Just like a cruise ship x 1000000000

Also if somebody was sick it wouldn't stop them chucking them in with the rest.

These people are animals , you really think they give a shìt?

[Canuck1966]

2 hours ago, Matzzon said:

An overstay thread? Okey, that´s easy. Overstaying in Thailand is against the Immigration law, and a person should not deliberately do that. For people that Immigration deem are legit and have a reason to stay in Thailand, there will be options given.

Let's hope you or you family never needs help or assistance.

[Will27]

5 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

Let's hope you or you family never needs help or assistance.

He does raise an odd good point every now and then.

 

But he comes across as so righteous and condoscending 

It's sickening.

[Canuck1966]

2 hours ago, Matzzon said:

An overstay thread? Okey, that´s easy. Overstaying in Thailand is against the Immigration law, and a person should not deliberately do that. For people that Immigration deem are legit and have a reason to stay in Thailand, there will be options given.

Laws in Thailand ????

[Matzzon]

17 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

Let's hope you or you family never needs help or assistance.

I don´t understand. Sound like you read in my post that I am against help to people. I am here on the right visa for the right reason, as everyone should be and also should be aware of the used rules now. If I need assistance and help, I will get it as everyone else.
 

10 minutes ago, Will27 said:

He does raise an odd good point every now and then.

 

But he comes across as so righteous and condoscending 

It's sickening.

Yes, I know a go against the stream of zombie followers of the general comments. I am proud of that. If I only get one person to wake up touch reality during my life span, my work would be done and complete. Everything else is just a BIG bonus.

I thank you for your honest opinion, and also your subtile way to deliver it. Have a great day, Sir. ???? 

[Matzzon]

20 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

Laws in Thailand ????

Yes, they have a lot of laws but they look on them in a different way and understands them in a different way. Also the people working within the legal system and the ones that are upholding them, are given a lot of power and freedom to understand and use them in different ways. That is all a part of the culture in a country, as well as it also unfortunately contribute to corruption.

However, when you chose to move, live, reside or visit such countries you must be prepared to adjust and understand how things work during the time you physically remain in the country. Actually, you even have to accept them.

[alw22]

2 hours ago, Matzzon said:

An overstay thread? Okey, that´s easy. Overstaying in Thailand is against the Immigration law, and a person should not deliberately do that. For people that Immigration deem are legit and have a reason to stay in Thailand, there will be options given.

No, it's really not that easy.  There are often grey areas in laws and regulations where the specifics are unclear, especially in times like this.  Thai officials have already stated that they will be more lenient with overstays, but have been vague about the details.

 

And besides, any rational person should consider the risks and consequences of breaking a law when making a decision.  Blindly following the law to the letter isn't always the best course of action.

[Matzzon]

4 minutes ago, alw22 said:

No, it's really not that easy.  There are often grey areas in laws and regulations where the specifics are unclear, especially in times like this.  Thai officials have already stated that they will be more lenient with overstays, but have been vague about the details.

 

And besides, any rational person should consider the risks and consequences of breaking a law when making a decision.  Blindly following the law to the letter isn't always the best course of action.

Please read #56 and you will understand my view on the laws and also hopefully get a better understanding of my point. If not, then so be it. ???? 

[Ventenio]

There are sometimes people only need one thing...

 

compassion

 

use it.  

[Neeranam]

10 hours ago, CharlieH said:

Assuming your not arrested on overstay and taken to the IDC.

This happened to a good friend of mine, who delayed getting a new visa by 2 days. He was randomly checked in Bangkok and ending up having a total nightmare in IDC. 

However, another close friend overstayed by 8 years and just paid he 20k on leaving from the airport.

[JAG]

 

This was what happened to me at Chiang Rai Immigration Office yesterday. I have a multi entry type O. On Tuesday ( the day my entry stamp expired) I went up to Mae Sai to spend a couple of hours in Burma, and get another 90 day entry stamp, but the border was closed. Today they gave me an extension of stay for 60 days (B1900) and fined me for the 4 day overstay (B2000). My wife is away at the moment, and although they were not happy that she was not present, I had all the paperwork and my teenage daughter with me. They copied her ID card, included it in the dossier and questioned her in Thai before issuing the extension. My visa expires before the 60 days is up, and when I asked about how to renew it if the borders are still closed, they didn't know. Lucy tells me however that the immigration lady told her that next time she would have to come with me again. "Next time" - maybe they will be issuing further extensions if the borders remain closed? Who knows? Certainly the B1900s could be a windfall!