Americans, Have You Received Your Virus Stimulus Check From Trump Yet?

[sirineou]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

2018 tax return according to NBC News below:

 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/see-who-s-eligible-coronavirus-checks-senate-gop-releases-details-n1164311

 

Then I am getting zero. 

[sirineou]

1 hour ago, Pib said:

I definitely do not know if it will be based on 2018 or 2019 returns, but if I was a betting man it will be based on 2018 (at least for the check amount) as everyone would have filed by now....IRS databases pretty much completed for 2018....a stable database.

 

However, 2019 is still an ongoing process....many, many folks have not filed....the IRS 2019 database is still developing as people file their 2019 returns. 

 

 

IMO it would be more fair that for those who have files 2019 (I have) they use the 2019 as it is a more accurate description fo their financial situation Now, and for those who have not filed in 2019  they would have to use the 2018.

  In 2018 I was working and had a six figure income, but in 2019 I retired and my income was significantly reduced. 

Anyway for many people in  markets such as NY, NJ ,CT and CA it is nothing. 

[frantick]

12 hours ago, gk10002000 said:

It really is not true that if SSA is your only income you don't have to file.  SSA benefits are taxable if you receive more than 25,000. Now granted many people's SSA benefit is less than that, but above 25,000 ssa becomes taxable so you would have to file to sort things out.  And you would want to file if over 65 because you get some extra standard deduction, etc.

This statement is wrong. If SS is your ONLY income, it is not taxed federally, even if it's more than $35000.

 

Only if you have other income will they then tax part of your SS; ie pensions, wages, interest, etc.

 

And I'm talking Federal taxes here because there are many (loser) states that tax SS.

 

[frantick]

36 minutes ago, sirineou said:

IMO it would be more fair that for those who have files 2019 (I have) they use the 2019 as it is a more accurate description fo their financial situation Now, and for those who have not filed in 2019  they would have to use the 2018.

  In 2018 I was working and had a six figure income, but in 2019 I retired and my income was significantly reduced. 

Anyway for many people in  markets such as NY, NJ ,CT and CA it is nothing. 

Same issue here, but I retired just this year. Can't they look at this years earnings to date?</sarcasm>

 

Let the other people have the money, we don't need it.

[riclag]

Haven't given it much thought ! I'm on SS. I live here and have a physical address in Cali. I wouldn't take the money personally ,I would give it to my kids.

 

My daughter really got stung by this with being a restaurant owner! Hopefully the stimulas package will enable her to get a loan from the SBA to tie her over until this settles ! Her working capital got eaten up by trying to keep the rats from infesting the building ! Bakersfield has a problem in the city! She lost 30 % of her business because of it.

 

My son was selling cars and doing well until...

 

I worry about my kids

 

Edited March 23, 2020 by riclag

[Jingthing]

I've been following this. Whether I get it or not won't change anything for me but it's still good to know about it. 

My take so far, it's based on your tax return. 2018 if you haven't filed 2019 yet.

Social security is eligible. A minimum of 2500 dollars.

I would be surprised if they're organized enough to exclude expats.

In my case I get social security direct to a U.S. bank account but my Thai address is recorded with both social security and IRS as my only address.

For people that have a U.S. bank on record with IRS for refunds etc. my understanding is that IRS will send it that way. Otherwise a check.

I heard some noise that social security people would get it that way, but that makes no sense to me. (But would be ideal in cases like mine.)

So in my case and I reckon there are others with similar situations, that would mean sending a physical check to Thailand.

Hmm. 

Edited March 23, 2020 by Jingthing

[gk10002000]

2 hours ago, frantick said:

This statement is wrong. If SS is your ONLY income, it is not taxed federally, even if it's more than $35000.

 

Only if you have other income will they then tax part of your SS; ie pensions, wages, interest, etc.

 

And I'm talking Federal taxes here because there are many (loser) states that tax SS.

 

You are wrong.  Whether one has other income or not is NOT the driver.  The total of 1/2 your SSA + other income if you have it is the driver.   See (b) below for single people fro example.  From page 9 of the 2019 1040 instructions.

"one-half of your social security benefits plus your other gross income and any tax-exempt interest is more than $25,000 "

 

So if one had 26,000 in SSA benefits, 1/2 of that would be 13,000.  No other income, fine.  Total income is figured as 13,000 which is more than 12,200 and you would have to file.  Just because other income is mentioned does not mean you have to have it!

 

_________________________________________________________

Chart A—For Most People
IF your filing status is . . .
AND at the end of 2019you were* . . .
THEN file a return if your grossincome** was at least . . .
Single
under 6565 or older
$12,200.    13,850
Married filing jointly***
under 65 (both spouses)65 or older (one spouse)65 or older (both spouses)
$24,400   25,70027,000
Married filing separately
any age
$5
Head of household
under 6565 or older
$18,350 20,000
Qualifying widow(er)
under 6565 or older
$24,400 25,700
*If you were born on January 1, 1955, you are considered to be age 65 at the end of 2019. (If your spouse died in 2019 or if you are preparing a return for someone who died in 2019, see Pub. 501.)
**Gross income means all income you received in the form of money, goods, property, and services that isn't exempt from tax, including any income from sources outside the United States or from the sale of your main home (even if you can exclude part or all of it). Don’t include any social security benefits unless (a) you are married filing a separate return and you lived with your spouse at any time in 2019, or (b) one-half of your social security benefits plus your other gross income and any tax-exempt interest is more than $25,000 ($32,000 if married filing jointly)

Edited March 23, 2020 by gk10002000

[gk10002000]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I've been following this. Whether I get it or not won't change anything for me but it's still good to know about it. 

My take so far, it's based on your tax return. 2018 if you haven't filed 2019 yet.

Social security is eligible. A minimum of 2500 dollars.

I would be surprised if they're organized enough to exclude expats.

In my case I get social security direct to a U.S. bank account but my Thai address is recorded with both social security and IRS as my only address.

For people that have a U.S. bank on record with IRS for refunds etc. my understanding is that IRS will send it that way. Otherwise a check.

I heard some noise that social security people would get it that way, but that makes no sense to me. (But would be ideal in cases like mine.)

So in my case and I reckon there are others with similar situations, that would mean sending a physical check to Thailand.

Hmm. 

yeah there so many ways getting this money or checks or direct deposit or whatever might not work very smoothly.   I suspect there will be an "application process" online or otherwise to handle all the non simple cases.  I can't see the US gov mailing checks over seas.  heck a US check even if received in Thailand or any other country can be challenging to cash

[Jingthing]

18 minutes ago, gk10002000 said:

yeah there so many ways getting this money or checks or direct deposit or whatever might not work very smoothly.   I suspect there will be an "application process" online or otherwise to handle all the non simple cases.  I can't see the US gov mailing checks over seas.  heck a US check even if received in Thailand or any other country can be challenging to cash

I seriously doubt there will be any kind of application process. 

[gk10002000]

20 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I seriously doubt there will be any kind of application process. 

I don't really mean application process, I meant more of a "fix this if you did not get your check process".  There is no way all people can get the money properly the first time around for various reasons, change of address just within the USA as other posters have pointed out is quite common.

[Pib]

11 hours ago, sirineou said:

IMO it would be more fair that for those who have files 2019 (I have) they use the 2019 as it is a more accurate description fo their financial situation Now, and for those who have not filed in 2019  they would have to use the 2018.

  In 2018 I was working and had a six figure income, but in 2019 I retired and my income was significantly reduced. 

Anyway for many people in  markets such as NY, NJ ,CT and CA it is nothing. 

Everybody will have a different idea as to what would be fair.   I expect many people who had lower income on their 2018 return would prefer it be used if their already file 2019 return showed much higher income which might reduce their payment.  Then you have people whose income varies a lot from year to year who might want 2017 instead or maybe an "average" of two or three years.  It can get complicated and turn into a slippery slope quick in trying to satisfy everybody's idea of fair when it comes to govt payments.

 

But what the US govt has always done (and still does for these types of one time/limited benefits) is pick a previous tax year to base "everyone" against.  A year where everybody's tax return would have been filed already.  This also ensures everyone was treated under the same tax rules specific to that tax year as tax rules change a little each year....and everybody was judged on the same income period instead of picking, choosing, or average from different tax years.   

 

Kinda like annual Medicare premiums which are based on your tax return from two years earlier....the Medicare 2020 rates are based on your 2018 tax return.   Now that sounds on the surface that they are looking back a full two years but it really just looking at what your total income worked out to be come close of business 31 Dec 2018 and the new Medicare premiums go in effect 1 Jan 2020....which is really only a one year, one day difference in time versus a full two years like it sounds on the surface.

 

 

[frantick]

12 hours ago, gk10002000 said:

You are wrong.  Whether one has other income or not is NOT the driver.  The total of 1/2 your SSA + other income if you have it is the driver.   See (b) below for single people fro example.  From page 9 of the 2019 1040 instructions.

"one-half of your social security benefits plus your other gross income and any tax-exempt interest is more than $25,000 "

 

So if one had 26,000 in SSA benefits, 1/2 of that would be 13,000.  No other income, fine.  Total income is figured as 13,000 which is more than 12,200 and you would have to file.  Just because other income is mentioned does not mean you have to have it!

 

_________________________________________________________

Chart A—For Most People
IF your filing status is . . .
AND at the end of 2019you were* . . .
THEN file a return if your grossincome** was at least . . .
Single
under 6565 or older
$12,200.    13,850
Married filing jointly***
under 65 (both spouses)65 or older (one spouse)65 or older (both spouses)
$24,400   25,70027,000
Married filing separately
any age
$5
Head of household
under 6565 or older
$18,350 20,000
Qualifying widow(er)
under 6565 or older
$24,400 25,700
*If you were born on January 1, 1955, you are considered to be age 65 at the end of 2019. (If your spouse died in 2019 or if you are preparing a return for someone who died in 2019, see Pub. 501.)
**Gross income means all income you received in the form of money, goods, property, and services that isn't exempt from tax, including any income from sources outside the United States or from the sale of your main home (even if you can exclude part or all of it). Don’t include any social security benefits unless (a) you are married filing a separate return and you lived with your spouse at any time in 2019, or (b) one-half of your social security benefits plus your other gross income and any tax-exempt interest is more than $25,000 ($32,000 if married filing jointly)

Try any of the online as tax calculators. If you only enter an amount in the SS income field, the tax is $0. I'm sure they're ALL wrong.

[Pib]

 

[Solinvictus]

These establishment folks are something else aren't they? Not to mention the zombies that adhere to politicians on the TV., especially the one that bails out his own personal interests, you know like the hotel industry...

 

These elected officials squabble over petty assistance to the same people they have screwed over.

But what is really horrific within the American political arena is that many continue to believe in 'market fundamentalism' or 'trickle down economics.' I say such people have been had.

 

Those who have (ThaiVisa & in general) had arguments against socialism and government hand-outs, should really be ashamed of themselves now.

 

 

Edited March 24, 2020 by Solinvictus

[Solinvictus]

8 minutes ago, Pib said:

 

You see that man in the illustration. The mid-west in America is filled with men and women who are heads of households and parents of children that all have such nutty/twisted views. Sick people they are. Christian nationalists. #zombies Just my opinion.

 

Taxes...what a joke...they can't even perform a successful audit of $21 Trillion unaccounted for in the military from 2008-2015.

 

It's a big racket folks..just print more money.

 

[Pib]

As of Tuesday morning....and the bailouts begin....notice it says "grants" vs loans.  

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/489158-senate-on-cusp-of-stimulus-deal-after-agreements-in-key-areas

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In a key concession to the administration, Democrats have agreed to $25 billion in grants to U.S. airlines and $4 billion for cargo air carriers, according to text excerpt of the emerging deal. 

 

[bkk6060]

21 hours ago, Jingthing said:

So in my case and I reckon there are others with similar situations, that would mean sending a physical check to Thailand.

You probably will not get a check and in fact I think people like you do not deserve one.

They send a check to you in Thailand and you spend the money here?

Make sense to you?

They want that money to help people in the US and for much of it to go back into the US economy.

Not for someone living in Thailand to buy Som Tum.

[new2here]

Under what appears to be the generally proposed plans I’d be eligible for a payment,  but fairly reduced... and I’m ok with that.

 

while I would of course LIKE more, I can’t escape the magnitude of the matter and the fact that there are those who are looking at “eat-or-pay the rent” type of scenarios; and for me, most importantly so, by largely none of their own doing.... I thank god that I’m not in that scenario myself and think the assistance really should be for those who are in these “life-and-death” financial situations... (ie laid off and rent is due on March 31)

 
so, I’m ok with the plan that those in upper income brackets may get less than those in the lower brackets.

 

what I was thinking about is since the federal government is so tied in to money owned and money due (that the FMS, Federal Management System) to them it from them, what will happen to anyone who has a current unpaid/overdue tax liability?  Would they impose a off-set like scenario?  .. and what about those with any other type of overdue liabilities that the Feds can get involved in (ie federally backed student loans and in some cases, child support)

 

I do agree that every American, regardless if they are in the US presently or not, should be getting something as just because you are not physically in the US does not (to me) insulate you from the impact.  I also think there should be language to  insure there is some kind of “floor” so that even if your income was so low that it didn’t require a filing, you still get something.

[Jingthing]

16 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

You probably will not get a check and in fact I think people like you do not deserve one.

They send a check to you in Thailand and you spend the money here?

Make sense to you?

They want that money to help people in the US and for much of it to go back into the US economy.

Not for someone living in Thailand to buy Som Tum.

Whether everyone that gets these checks "deserves" them is a policy issue. Obviously a large percentage of the people that will get them living in the U.S. won't actually need them. They don't have the bandwidth to make such personalized decisions. My interest in this is practical. Are expats included or not and if so how does that work? If they aren't included I won't be complaining. Have they even considered that issue? Perhaps it is possible that if they are sending checks to people that they don't have bank details that they will just exclude those with foreign addresses. That would be a way of roughly enforcing a no expat policy but as I think most people know a huge percentage of expats fake being U.S. residents so they would get the payments regardless. 

 

Edited March 24, 2020 by Jingthing

[sirineou]

8 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

You probably will not get a check and in fact I think people like you do not deserve one.

They send a check to you in Thailand and you spend the money here?

Make sense to you?

They want that money to help people in the US and for much of it to go back into the US economy.

Not for someone living in Thailand to buy Som Tum.

This is not simply a stimulus check, it is an assistance check.If you are an American citizen and require assistance what does it matter where you are? 

  They don't  mind collecting from you if you live outside the US, why would they mind assisting you?

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, sirineou said:

This is not simply a stimulus check, it is an assistance check.If you are an American citizen and require assistance what does it matter where you are? 

  They don't  mind collecting from you if you live outside the US, why would they mind assisting you?

It's a rough policy move. It is not surgical. I've even thought why are people on social security getting it? They're still getting the same social security benefit they were before. It's not as if they're missing a paycheck like so many people actually are. Yes they want people to spend but spend where? Buying price gouged toilet paper? 

 

On the question on what expats do for the U.S. economy, well in normal times they do spend on trips back to the U.S., sometimes still paying for goods and services in the U.S. and buying U.S. consumer products at places like Villa Market.

 

If we're talking "fairness" why aren't expats eligible to use the Medicare benefits that they earned while living abroad?

[sirineou]

30 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It's a rough policy move. It is not surgical. I've even thought why are people on social security getting it? They're still getting the same social security benefit they were before. It's not as if they're missing a paycheck like so many people actually are. Yes they want people to spend but spend where? Buying price gouged toilet paper? 

 

On the question on what expats do for the U.S. economy, well in normal times they do spend on trips back to the U.S., sometimes still paying for goods and services in the U.S. and buying U.S. consumer products at places like Villa Market.

 

If we're talking "fairness" why aren't expats eligible to use the Medicare benefits that they earned while living abroad?

 I am not the smartest, the strongest, not even the hardest working,  but I was lucky to fall into a job that has provided well for me . As a "nice Greek boy" from NY,  telephones were made on my behalf, doors were opened. I don't really deserve all I got more than others. 

But I will be fine.

 I am afraid not everyone was a lucky as me, So I have compassion. I know you do too. 

The average yearly income from Social security  is  $16,197 slightly above the poverty level.  . hardly an amount to live on, especially in certain markets in the US.

In NY-NJ to go over the GW  Bridge is $16 the Triboro Bridge (now RFK) is $9.50  $6.12 for easy pass.    

 The CoronaVirus has disproportionately affected the elderly in general . It has not affected their income from Social security but has affected their income from retirement accounts, (my retirement account lost 21% of it's value, before I had a chance to freeze it), also those who are infected otr will be , face additional virus related expenses.

  I realise that many that don't need it will get it. but IMO we cant cut our nose off to spite our face. 
 

Edited March 24, 2020 by sirineou

[fredwiggy]

Some who retire had jobs that hurt others. Land developers,doctors who over prescribed narcotics, those in construction that raped the earth,etc.,and those that worked jobs who assisted others and life in general. Some who retire need to retire early to help their families,and aren't making the full amount,so they can use all the help they can get.I'm sure there are people who will understand this,and those that disagree because they fall into the former group. Helping someone who really needs it doesn't matter where you are living.If you're just getting by no matter where you are,you can use the help. The government knows where everyone lives,either by address or direct deposit. Anyone who votes against this bill makes enough money to not care, and there are also those that think billions should go towards a military that has enough firepower to destroy a country in a matter of hours , a wall to try and keep out mexicans (you can't) or helping the rich ,instead of helping the homeless, animal welfare, vets with ptsd and people who need medical.

[taxout]

While we don't know yet precisely how this will turn out, I think it does reinforce the view I've long had that even if your income falls under the limits, you should still file a return and keep yourself in the system.

 

(I haven't looked into the fine print of the bills, but I suppose there's a possibility there's an exclusion for those with foreign address, claiming the foreign earned income exclusion etc. But the last payout like this did go to citizens overseas.)

Edited March 24, 2020 by taxout

[gk10002000]

19 hours ago, frantick said:

Try any of the online as tax calculators. If you only enter an amount in the SS income field, the tax is $0. I'm sure they're ALL wrong.

I just ran through the calculations.  The IRS pubs clearly say when some ssa could be taxable even if SSA is one's only income.   The catch is, the ssa benefits taxable work sheet while a bit complex, if one runs some numbers, one would have to make just over the current maximum possible SSA benefit payout of 3770x12=45,240.  So I assume the IRS having legal beagles that they do, leave it open a bit. I ran the numbers once assuming 60,000 in SSA benefits, and a person would have 5,900 of their SSA income included on line 5b of the 1040 and that would be part of and basically the only part of their AGI.  Then later if one took the standard deduction of say 12,200 or whatever it is now, their total taxable income would be 0.  So yes, I agree that if one only had SSA as income, they would owe no taxes.  However they still would have to file if their SSA was >2x 12,200 = 24, 400.

So we mixed apples and oranges a bit. 

 

1:  The chart in the 1040i say when one must file, and that formula is pretty straight forward

2:  Your benefits may be taxable if the total of (1) one-half of your benefits, plus (2) all of your other income, including tax-exempt interest, is greater than the base amount for your filing status.  The SSA taxable benefits worksheet is nutty and mostly theoretical when ones standard deduction is later taken.

 

[taxout]

Here's a report from an Israeli newspaper confirming that Americans overseas will be eligible for the coronavirus payments.

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/americans-living-in-israel-would-qualify-for-us-governments-coronavirus-relief/

 

[Jingthing]

OK. 

So if file with a foreign address and they don't have a US bank account on record its fair to assume that they would mail it abroad yeah? 

 

Is that reportable as income? 

[taxout]

My recollection is that the last time they did this, I got a check in the mail.

 

We won't know for certain till the text of the bill is out, but I don't believe it will be taxable. I recall that was the case with the previous one-off payment.

 

Latest reports indicate that the limit on payments to low- or no-income Americans has been lifted, so everyone will get US$1,200, except moderately higher earners.

 

(Of course, nobody's talking yet about how all this will be paid for. I expect that next year we'll have a "virus surcharge" at both Federal and state levels.)

[Pib]

Supposedly the final text of the Senate stimulus bill is available below.   It's like 880 pages long and written in legalize and for tax return purposes.  Lot of give aways (pork) in the bill.  

 

The payment amount will be $1,200 per individual....$2,400 for a joint return...and $500 for each qualifying child up to certain income amounts like $75K for individual....$150K for joint return...$112.5K for head of household return.   Just look at the text below....some of it I bolded.   There a line numbers in the quote which makes it a little hard to read...but at least you will get the idea.

 

Basically it appears everyone will get the rebate unless a person is a non-resident alien. 

 

Also looks like when preparing our 2020 return we will receive a full "credit" for the stimulus check amount which means the check would not incur taxes.   

 

Yeap, go to below website....download the text and prepare for mind blowing read.

 

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/25/senate-vote-coronavirus-rescue-package-deal-148135

 

Quote

17 (a) IN GENERAL.—Subchapter B of chapter 65 of
18 subtitle F of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amend19
ed by inserting after section 6427 the following new sec20
tion:
21 ‘‘SEC. 6428. 2020 RECOVERY REBATES FOR INDIVIDUALS.
22 ‘‘(a) IN GENERAL.—In the case of an eligible indi23
vidual, there shall be allowed as a credit against the tax
24 imposed by subtitle A for the first taxable year beginning
25 in 2020 an amount equal to the sum of—
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1 ‘‘(1) $1,200 ($2,400 in the case of eligible indi2
viduals filing a joint return), plus
3 ‘‘(2) an amount equal to the product of $500
4 multiplied by the number of qualifying children
5 (within the meaning of section 24(c)) of the tax6
payer.
7 ‘‘(b) TREATMENT OF CREDIT.—The credit allowed by
8 subsection (a) shall be treated as allowed by subpart C
9 of part IV of subchapter A of chapter 1.
10 ‘‘(c) LIMITATION BASED ON ADJUSTED GROSS IN11
COME.—The amount of the credit allowed by subsection
12 (a) (determined without regard to this subsection and sub13
section (e)) shall be reduced (but not below zero) by 5
14 percent of so much of the taxpayer’s adjusted gross in15
come as exceeds—
16 ‘‘(1) $150,000 in the case of a joint return,
17 ‘‘(2) $112,500 in the case of a head of house18
hold, and
19 ‘‘(3) $75,000 in the case of a taxpayer not de20
scribed in paragraph (1) or (2).
21 ‘‘(d) ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUAL.—For purposes of this
22 section, the term ‘eligible individual’ means any individual
23 other than—
24 ‘‘(1) any nonresident alien individual,
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1 ‘‘(2) any individual with respect to whom a de2
duction under section 151 is allowable to another
3 taxpayer for a taxable year beginning in the cal4
endar year in which the individual’s taxable year be5
gins, and
6 ‘‘(3) an estate or trust.
7 ‘‘(e) COORDINATION WITH ADVANCE REFUNDS OF
8 CREDIT.—
9 ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—The amount of credit
10 which would (but for this paragraph) be allowable
11 under this section shall be reduced (but not below
12 zero) by the aggregate refunds and credits made or
13 allowed to the taxpayer under subsection (f). Any
14 failure to so reduce the credit shall be treated as
15 arising out of a mathematical or clerical error and
16 assessed according to section 6213(b)(1).
17 ‘‘(2) JOINT RETURNS.—In the case of a refund
18 or credit made or allowed under subsection (f) with
19 respect to a joint return, half of such refund or cred20
it shall be treated as having been made or allowed
21 to each individual filing such return.

 

[Pib]

More partial quote from the bill....talks how the US Treasury will notify you how they sent the payment to your and for how much....and talks the identification info that must have been on your tax return.  

 

Quote

12 ‘‘(6) NOTICE TO TAXPAYER.—Not later than 15
13 days after the date on which the Secretary distrib14
uted any payment to an eligible taxpayer pursuant
15 to this subsection, notice shall be sent by mail to
16 such taxpayer’s last known address. Such notice
17 shall indicate the method by which such payment
18 was made, the amount of such payment, and a
19 phone number for the appropriate point of contact
20 at the Internal Revenue Service to report any failure
21 to receive such payment.
22 ‘‘(g) IDENTIFICATION NUMBER REQUIREMENT.—
23 ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—No credit shall be allowed
24 under subsection (a) to an eligible individual who
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1 does not include on the return of tax for the taxable
2 year—
3 ‘‘(A) such individual’s valid identification
4 number,
5 ‘‘(B) in the case of a joint return, the valid
6 identification number of such individual’s
7 spouse, and
8 ‘‘(C) in the case of any qualifying child
9 taken into account under subsection (a)(2), the
10 valid identification number of such qualifying
11 child.
12 ‘‘(2) VALID IDENTIFICATION NUMBER.—
13 ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—For purposes of para14
graph (1), the term ‘valid identification num15
ber’ means a social security number (as such
16 term is defined in section 24(h)(7)).
17 ‘‘(B) ADOPTION TAXPAYER IDENTIFICA18
TION NUMBER.—For purposes of paragraph
19 (1)(C), in the case of a qualifying child who is
20 adopted or placed for adoption, the term ‘valid
21 identification number’ shall include the adop22
tion taxpayer identification number of such
23 child.
24 ‘‘(3) SPECIAL RULE FOR MEMBERS OF THE
25 ARMED FORCES.—Paragraph (1)(B) shall not apply
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1 in the case where at least 1 spouse was a member
2 of the Armed Forces of the United States at any
3 time during the taxable year and at least 1 spouse
4 satisfies paragraph (1)(A).