mindfulness Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Ya don’t have to be a rocket scientist to work this out. It would needn’t the same test to Ben done every 3 to four days on the same individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisH Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Aland said: https://youtu.be/Gdd7dtDaYmM It's easy to find a video with a so-called 'expert' that fits ones narrative. Search on Judy Mitkovits. She's a real piece of work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Mikovits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisH Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, DrTuner said: You mean MoPH? Their leader is Anutin, who's Prayuth's best buddy. All to do with the junta. So you doubt the published data then? I really hope you lose sleep over this. If not, you must be a troll. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mung Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Quote However, due to Thailand’s limited resources, it cannot afford mass screening to uncover new infections, Taweesin Visanuyothin, spokesman of the Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration (CCSA), said on Monday There it is, ding ding ding ding 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DavisH Posted April 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Matzzon said: Sure, you might be right. If I am wrong, I am pretty sure that this whole community on TVF is going to make me eat my words, TWICE! ???? It´s like I said n another post today in this thread. Sometimes you just have to gamble. According to me the odds are on the number they have presented. There are too many factors that are making it very hard to hide the reality in this case. So, it´s unusual times this time which makes my money to be on Thailand. You can tell the bars are all shut. The moaners are all here on TV with nothing better to do. Got to wonder why most of them live in LoS, if their home country is so great. 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyFax Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 13 minutes ago, DrTuner said: They have a very obvious bias, but they also have one thing not many others don't have: Quote For its articles, the publication draws from a network within China, as well as staff living in the West They got Chinese in China being able to access Chinese document and translate them to English. That's why I read what they got to say. Seems fairly unique. I won't say I know about them, but they may selectively draw on their in-China sources and translate such documents that support their 'obvious bias'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcgm Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Very misleading title to this article. Something being not cost effective is vastly different to something being ineffective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, SkyFax said: I won't say I know about them, but they may selectively draw on their in-China sources and translate such documents that support their 'obvious bias'. Correct. One has to have critical thinking capabilites and media savvy to weed out any unique information and then verify it as much as possible. Even then, it's often a gut feeling and finding a piece that fits the puzzle. I welcome any data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarFlungFalang Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, DavisH said: So you doubt the published data then? I really hope you lose sleep over this. If not, you must be a troll. If that's the criteria for a troll then TV must stand for Trolls Ville as the majority here seem to have at least some doubts about the published figures coming from this twisted excuse of an illegal administration who usurped power by use of force shredding any claim to legitimacy or anything else resembling the will of the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, DavisH said: So you doubt the published data then? I really hope you lose sleep over this. If not, you must be a troll. I take it you haven't read my posts from the last couple of months. I've been very vocal about the MoPH methods of throttling the test results. I sleep fine, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarFlungFalang Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, DavisH said: You can tell the bars are all shut. The moaners are all here on TV with nothing better to do. Got to wonder why most of them live in LoS, if their home country is so great. You seem to moan so much you could make a hormone! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wensiensheng Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 4 hours ago, Griffo63 said: I'm no expert but I don't see any evidence of ambulances queuing at hospitals with urgent admissions, patients lying on gurneys waiting to die, or on ventilators in packed out hospital wards, exhausted nurses and doctors pleading for more PPE, mass cremations or makeshift graves. I don't even see pictures of ordinary folk applauding on Thursday evenings in support of key workers. So show me the evidence you naysayers So why is the country in such a strict lock down if everything is so hunky dory? Not saying things ARENT fine, but if they are, why all the restrictions? Countries with more cases are easing restrictions and Thailand is ramping its up! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyFax Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, DrTuner said: I take it you haven't read my posts from the last couple of months I have particularly your "we'll see" prediction from 14FEB2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmartyMarty Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 <deleted> we know from other countries that mass testing does work. These muppets have no idea. Complete imbeciles. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Griffo63 said: I'm no expert but I don't see any evidence of ambulances queuing at hospitals with urgent admissions, patients lying on gurneys waiting to die, or on ventilators in packed out hospital wards, exhausted nurses and doctors pleading for more PPE, mass cremations or makeshift graves. I don't even see pictures of ordinary folk applauding on Thursday evenings in support of key workers. So show me the evidence you naysayers Luckily not in that situation - yet. First signs are coming out, BKK post had the dead taxi driver story today, there's a facebook post from a victim that described the treatment and mentioned a new ward had been opened, etc. It's brewing. Remains to be seen how effective the lockdowns are, it took about 2 weeks for <deleted> to hit the fan in Hubei (might look more familiar if you replace 'Lunar New Year' with 'Songkran'): I do think the weather does bring R0 down a bit, so Thailand might fare a bit better. Remains to be seen. Edited April 14, 2020 by DrTuner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, wensiensheng said: So why is the country in such a strict lock down if everything is so hunky dory? Not saying things ARENT fine, but if they are, why all the restrictions? Countries with more cases are easing restrictions and Thailand is ramping its up! MoPH has access to the number of "Probable" and "Asymptomatic" cases, in addition the the "Confirmed" they are feeding us: https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/file/guidelines/G_en_21022020.pdf Quote 2. Probable case is defined as a PUI who has tested positive for genetic materials of SARS-CoV-2 by PCR from one (1) reference laboratory, or by genetic sequencing, or by culture. 3. Confirmed case is defined as a PUI who has tested positive for genetic materials of SARS-CoV-2 by PCR from two (2) reference laboratories, or by genetic sequencing, or by culture. 4. Asymptomatic case is defined as a person who has tested positive for genetic materials of SARS-CoV2 by PCR from two (2) reference laboratories, or by genetic sequencing, or by culture, but has shown no signs and symptoms. One could draw the conclusion the probable and asymptomatic cases are ballooning, causing MoPH to take action. We the hoi polloi have no access to those numbers, or even the number of tests done per day. Here's another indication all is not well: MoPH released a separate guideline for medical personnel on 8th of April and there was a report of 80 medics already being infected. It's an indication SARS-CoV-2 has a presence in the hospitals. https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/file/guidelines/g_CPG.pdf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 35 minutes ago, SkyFax said: I have particularly your "we'll see" prediction from 14FEB2020 Yeah, now we're seeing widespread lockdowns, booze bans, etc. Lots to see in the future, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geisha Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 There is the answer, testing is expensive, so there are no true figures of contamination. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyFax Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, DrTuner said: 41 minutes ago, SkyFax said: I have particularly your "we'll see" prediction from 14FEB2020 Yeah, now we're seeing widespread lockdowns, booze bans, etc. Lots to see in the future, too Wow -- more predictions. That's OK. I just cue the JAWS shark theme whenever I read your stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traubert Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 hour ago, SkyFax said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times The Epoch Times.........better and better........???????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 hour ago, DavisH said: You can tell the bars are all shut. The moaners are all here on TV with nothing better to do. Got to wonder why most of them live in LoS, if their home country is so great. At last, Mazz has a mate............................ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SantiSuk Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 So mass screening is not cost effective? Not according to the UK's Chief Scientific Adviser Extract from yesterday's edition of Politico Pro London Playbook "MEA CULPA AT LAST: Big scoop last night for ITV News, which finally secured an admission from a senior government figure that the U.K. got it wrong on coronavirus testing at the critical moment. Speaking on ITV’s weekly “Coronavirus Q&A” show, Chief Scientific Adviser Patrick Vallance suggested his colleagues at Public Health England had failed to increase testing as quickly as was needed to control the spread of the virus. Previously PHE officials downplayed the importance of mass testing, while ministers would only say they are now “ramping up” the program as quickly as possible. But Vallance admitted rollout had been too slow, and — crucially — said it needs to be done at sufficient scale not just to test NHS workers but “to look at outbreaks and isolate” — as has happened so effectively in Germany and South Korea." The schools in Germany are still open and South Korea is not in lockdown. Both are widely predicted to be able to bounce back economy-wise than other countries. POLITICO, a global nonpartisan politics and policy news organization, launched in Europe in April 2015. POLITICO Europe is a joint-venture between POLITICO LLC, based in the USA and Axel Springer, the leading publisher in Europe. With operations based in Brussels and additional offices in London, Berlin, Paris, Rome, and Warsaw, POLITICO connects the dots between global power centers. Its journalism lives online at politico.eu; in POLITICO Pro, the real-time subscription-based policy news service for professionals; in daily morning newsletters, such as Brussels Playbook and London Playbook; in print via a weekly newspaper; and through live events. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ParkerN Posted April 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 14, 2020 There are those who would argue that if the testing of the population is not reliable or complete, then all of the pandemic stats are likely to be suspect. Testing is the sine-qua-non of managing a viral infection pandemic, you can't get much more basic than that and if Thais can't get that right, then they should call in expertise from outside Thailand without further delay. If Thailand has been relying upon inaccurate or incomplete stats to inform their population and other countries, then I very much fear that after the rest of the world has recovered, Thailand will be awaiting a second phase, and that would be absolutely devastating personally for Thais and economically. Politically, that would be the end of per unit, and arguably the end of coup governments in general in Thailand. They will have lost the faith of the population, and are likely never to recover from the damage that will do to them and to their sponsors. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SuperTed Posted April 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 14, 2020 12 hours ago, webfact said: The CCSA has highlighted four key lessons learned from the Covid-19 battle: 1. Those in high-risk contact groups have to be identified, and to ensure this measure is effective, the authorities need to enforce strict screening measures and the police have to step in and identify those evading the process; 2. Those in high-risk contact groups have to be completely isolated; 3. Active hunting for cases has to be applied to communities that have a high rate of infections or when contact tracing cannot be applied to all high-risk people; 4. Mass screening is not cost effective as the rate of infection is not high enough. 1 and 2 are correct. 3 is half correct - active hunting for infections needs to be undertaken in ALL communities with infections. 4. Is absolutely wrong. Ability to test for covid will be just as critical to TH economic survival as ability to test for HIV. Bite the bullet and ramp up testing now. High rate of testing is the clear reason DE has kept fatalities so low. Failure to roll out testing nationwide will eventually cause significant harm to TH. For the next five years, there will be no tourists arriving at destinations which cannot confirm, and have Western medical professionals agree with, their level of testing, infection, antibodies and immunization. Hopefully younger Thais will get this point and let the government know their thought online. Minister Anutin may want to skip checking FB tonight. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letseng Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 9 hours ago, Toany said: Well at least we now have some idea of the number of tests carried out at some hospitals. Much better than keeping everything a secret Odd that, why does widespread screening work in other countries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diks Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 23 minutes ago, SantiSuk said: The schools in Germany are still open and South Korea is not in lockdown. Both are widely predicted to be able to bounce back economy-wise than other countries. The schools in Germany have been closed for weeks, however they are supposed to open after the easter holidays. There has yet to be an official word that it will happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traubert Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 24 minutes ago, Letseng said: Odd that, why does widespread screening work in other countries? Why are the fatalities greater in other countries? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incobart Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 28 minutes ago, Letseng said: Odd that, why does widespread screening work in other countries? it is only effective if you are in the very beginning of an epidemic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, Traubert said: Why are the fatalities greater in other countries? To be counted as COVID fatalitity in Thailand one first needs to pass the restrictive PUI criteria, then actually get tested and confirmed by two reference laboratories. So it's a subset of the "Confirmed". It's a funnel designed to keep the numbers low. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParkerN Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Traubert said: Why are the fatalities greater in other countries? They may not be, assuming the mitigation measures are similar (yes, I know Thailand's are not likely to be). Two sides of the same competence coin/equation. Edited April 14, 2020 by ParkerN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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