6 hours ago, stevenl said:

Can't find it on their website, but it could be there.

 

But you really think a January 5 overview has any relevance? I would say their end of January warning for a worldwide health emergency is much more important, even though quite a few world leaders were still playing it down at that point, some even continued doing so till 45 days after that advice.

yes, it is still available on the website.

https://www.who.int/csr/don/05-january-2020-pneumonia-of-unkown-cause-china/en/

 

and yes, limited relevance.  this was published less than a week after they were first notified.   at that point, doubt the who had done any serious investigation themselves, rather were relying on chinese government notices.

 

from the news release:

 

According to the authorities, some patients were operating dealers or vendors in the Huanan Seafood market. Based on the preliminary information from the Chinese investigation team, no evidence of significant human-to-human transmission and no health care worker infections have been reported.

 

14 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

yes, it is still available on the website.

https://www.who.int/csr/don/05-january-2020-pneumonia-of-unkown-cause-china/en/

 

and yes, limited relevance.  this was published less than a week after they were first notified.   at that point, doubt the who had done any serious investigation themselves, rather were relying on chinese government notices.

 

from the news release:

 

According to the authorities, some patients were operating dealers or vendors in the Huanan Seafood market. Based on the preliminary information from the Chinese investigation team, no evidence of significant human-to-human transmission and no health care worker infections have been reported.

 

At about the same time they were also stating the possibility of human to human infection could not be excluded.

44 minutes ago, Paul Henry said:

USA pays approx 14.5% of WHO costs.Three weeks ago Trump was praising WHO for the great job they were doing with information and advice on controlling Covid19. Back in late January WHO offered masks etc to the USA in anticipation of the virus breaking out in the USA, TRUMP told them he didn't need them he had it under control.After his f!!! up on managing the outbreak of the virus he is now looking for scapegoats, Democrats, media , state governors and now WHO. Roll on November judgement day will be upon him

and London to a brick he will blame everyone else, his staff, the white house, the republican party and the media. Probably left out a few but Trump will find them.

Whatever Trump has done (or not) it seems at this time that the fairest way to revise WHO's funding would be for China to assume the present USA share and vice-versa.

31 minutes ago, Traubert said:

The WHO should support the wolds leading economy surely?

 

Particularly now they dont need to support America.

 

 

Why should a global health organization be concerned about a particular economy?

 

Why should a global health organization not support its biggest financial contributor?

 

 

7 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Whatever Trump has done (or not) it seems at this time that the fairest way to revise WHO's funding would be for China to assume the present USA share and vice-versa.

that would be an interesting concept.  i've been doing some reading, and it seems assessed dues by country were originally the main source of funding for the who.  but back in the 80's, the usa led the call to stop reapportioning membership dues by country population/gdp, but rather rely more on donations from govenments, ngo's and private sources.  apparently the idea was that if the usa make the who more dependent of their largess, they would have more say in who decision making.  that was allegedly in order to "help" with deciding which medicines would be promoted by the who, and one explanation for why the usa has often been in arrears.

 

having china pay more of the budget would in effect be giving them a bigger voice.

1 minute ago, ChouDoufu said:

that would be an interesting concept.  i've been doing some reading, and it seems assessed dues by country were originally the main source of funding for the who.  but back in the 80's, the usa led the call to stop reapportioning membership dues by country population/gdp, but rather rely more on donations from govenments, ngo's and private sources.  apparently the idea was that if the usa make the who more dependent of their largess, they would have more say in who decision making.  that was allegedly in order to "help" with deciding which medicines would be promoted by the who, and one explanation for why the usa has often been in arrears.

 

having china pay more of the budget would in effect be giving them a bigger voice.

Fair point but not a very healthy one. I know its not the reality but big pharma and politics should be far more removed from an organization like WHO.

29 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Why should a global health organization be concerned about a particular economy?

 

Why should a global health organization not support its biggest financial contributor?

 

 

Actually I am not sure USA is the biggest contributor.

WHO has to remain non partisan 

USA is currently 99m in arrears for contributions, from 2019-current 2020

 

 

11 hours ago, Odysseus123 said:

The voice of insanity...

 

Can't get away from it;omnipresent,ever screeching,perseverating and exhibiting that true hallmark of a demagogue of the twitter age-"the arrogance of ignorance".

You don't like Mr. D. Trump, then ha!

11 hours ago, Slip said:

It really does seem to be time for the world to stop engaging with the U.S. until they get this lunatic out of the White House.

Slip

 

I am a US citizen.  Though I personally would like someone as president who is less polarizing and a more effective speaker I would take him a million times over Obama who "sounded" eloquent but accomplished nothing.  Trump may be boorish, rude, crass, and not eloquent but he approaches problems like a business person and not a politician.  Even in this crisis, you see things got done and even ultra left wing governors like Cuomo, and Newsome have said, Trump was responsive and he kept his promises.  For too long we have judged presidents on how they sounded and not on accomplishments.  

10 hours ago, rabas said:

Maybe, there's an incredible about of syndrome circulating. Need a vaccine.

True, he is getting TRASHED here on this latest folly. Oh well you can still LOVE him anyways

11 hours ago, Slip said:

It really does seem to be time for the world to stop engaging with the U.S. until they get this lunatic out of the White House.

Why ? He's got the balls to stand up and safe the Country & say No to a lot of <deleted>. No one else Had. ????  

12 hours ago, webfact said:

He said the group had promoted China's "disinformation" about the virus

So if Trump is punishing the WHO for believing the "disinformation" they were given, what does he plan to do to punish the people who actually provided the "disinformation".

Posts using TDS and Chicoms trolling comments have been removed.  Continue to use those comments and a warning will be coming. 

 

Off topic posts and replies have been removed.

21 minutes ago, nahkit said:

So if Trump is punishing the WHO for believing the "disinformation" they were given, what does he plan to do to punish the people who actually provided the "disinformation".

No point, I think he is a narcissist, not a masochist.

8 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Appalling decision by Trump. Health experts reacted with horror to the news. What kind of man will stop funding during a pandemic crisis. US takes another knock from their global leadership role. Meanwhile UK responded with additional funds to WHO to fight the pandemic. Well done U.K.  

“What kind of man will stop funding during a pandemic crisis”

A narcissist more concerned with their re-election chances and blaming others to deflect from their own mistakes, than showing actual leadership?

Good move....and a vote winner. At this point I can't see anything other than a big win for Trump come November.

4 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

That’s ok. The world don’t need Trump and US is not a global leader anyway. 

Good, then why are you and others crying and slinging snot about the money. The US will just keep it and make you happy.

8 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I sort of agree with him.

Time all these socialist "New World Order" globalist organisations were disbanded.

NATO, United Nations, WHO, NASA, etc.

They all have extreme anti-western civilisation agendas and appear to be answerable to no-one..

NASA a socialist New World Order organization ?

 

Whatever you have been smoking can I have some pleeeease !

3 hours ago, Paul Henry said:

USA pays approx 14.5% of WHO costs.Three weeks ago Trump was praising WHO for the great job they were doing with information and advice on controlling Covid19. Back in late January WHO offered masks etc to the USA in anticipation of the virus breaking out in the USA, TRUMP told them he didn't need them he had it under control.After his f!!! up on managing the outbreak of the virus he is now looking for scapegoats, Democrats, media , state governors and now WHO. Roll on November judgement day will be upon him

and London to a brick he will blame everyone else, his staff, the white house, the republican party and the media. Probably left out a few but Trump will find them.

They never offered masks, the rumor was for test kits. Here is the facts. 

 

We sent emails to the CDC and WHO asking about WHO’s test and why it was not adopted in the U.S., but did not get a reply in time for publication. However, WHO told PolitiFact that the organization had never discussed providing testing kits to the United States, and The Washington Post reported that it’s typical, historically, for the U.S. to develop its own methods under such circumstances

A troll / general flame has been removed.

The US makes voluntary donations only, and it is 200mil in arrears on its promises.

 

Trump has insisted his signature be on the covid stimulus checks. How very narcissistic of him.

4 hours ago, OffshoreMig said:

The sooner the UN is moved to Switzerland the better.  Bully boy take you bat and ball games do not impress.  I recall Trump intimidating members of the International Court should they seek to charge the US with war crimes.  Even when the evidence is beyond doubt,

No, move the UN to Africa or the middle east, that’s where most of the problems or. They can get a lot more work done and no parking problems. Better yet move to China and see how all those bureaucrats love being in a communist country, maybe enjoy some bat soup from their 1-star restaurant.

 

The US is not a party to the ICJ, so they can hold all the trials they wish. Means nothing.

                                                                                                            

9 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Appalling decision by Trump. Health experts reacted with horror to the news. What kind of man will stop funding during a pandemic crisis. US takes another knock from their global leadership role. Meanwhile UK responded with additional funds to WHO to fight the pandemic. Well done U.K.  

 

Oh, but the blame game is just beginning. Don't worry. There will be more than enough blame to spread around when the arguments really start flying. Now that economic realities mean this lockdown can not continue, everyone is going to be looking for somewhere to lay responsibility.

 

Somebody has to pay for this massive cockup. One thing that is predictable about Trump. He will be the only one in the world completely innocent.

 

BTW, read the comments Daily Express and you won't find those in the UK saying "Well done UK".  You'll find them telling Boris to be more like Trump.

 

There is an aged old response to this. You want it, you pay for it. Except, the EU and others want it, but for whatever reason, they expect the USA to pay for it. GO TRUMP.

23 minutes ago, Monomial said:

 

Oh, but the blame game is just beginning. Don't worry. There will be more than enough blame to spread around when the arguments really start flying. Now that economic realities mean this lockdown can not continue, everyone is going to be looking for somewhere to lay responsibility.

 

Somebody has to pay for this massive cockup. One thing that is predictable about Trump. He will be the only one in the world completely innocent.

 

BTW, read the comments Daily Express and you won't find those in the UK saying "Well done UK".  You'll find them telling Boris to be more like Trump.

 

I read The Telegraph and every article on the WHO, China or other related subject gets hundreds upon hundreds of comments. I would guess 95-99% hate the WHO and China. Most agree with trump. Love reading the comment section more then the articles, more entertaining.

 

7 minutes ago, RANGER55 said:

I read The Telegraph and every article on the WHO, China or other related subject gets hundreds upon hundreds of comments. I would guess 95-99% hate the WHO and China. Most agree with trump. Love reading the comment section more then the articles, more entertaining.

 

Welcome to the forum!

39 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

NASA

It's been faking data to support the UN climate change alarmists.

 

I have many friends at JPL. Do you even comprehend how many people would need to be involved in "faking data"? You are talking a conspiracy involving tens of thousands of scientists, all of whom would need to be in on it in some way. It's not like a single person at NASA could control the narrative. This isn't a spy satellite where only 1 person has access to the data stream and can change it before anyone else sees it.

 

Different satellites using different methodologies are constantly being crosschecked by different groups looking to justify their funding requests. Any discrepancies with falsified data would become apparent and investigated.

 

Honestly, this is just madness. You can argue that someone can selectvely use data to make a model say just about anything you want within reason, and I might even agree with you in certain cases, but you can't "fake data". Not in an organization as big as NASA anyway.

3 hours ago, Kasset Tak said:

Yes, that is their statement from 6th January...

WHO issues its first guidance on the novel coronavirus

10 January 2020

Developed with reference to other coronaviruses, such as SARS and MERS, WHO issued a tool for countries to check their ability to detect and respond to a novel coronavirus.

This information is to help with identifying main gaps, assessing risks and planning for additional investigations, response and control actions.

China makes genome sequencing of novel coronavirus publicly available

12 January 2020

China shares the genetic sequence of the novel coronavirus, which will be very important for other countries as they develop specific diagnostic kits.

First case of novel coronavirus outside of China confirmed

13 January 2020

Officials confirmed a case of the novel coronavirus in Thailand. It was not unexpected that cases of the novel coronavirus would emerge outside of China and reinforces why WHO calls for active monitoring and preparedness in other countries.

First meeting of Emergency Committee regarding the novel coronavirus outbreak

23 January 2020

On 22-23 February, the WHO Director General convened the Emergency Committee to consider the outbreak of the novel coronavirus in China, with cases also reported in the Republic of Korea, Japan, Thailand and Singapore.

Several Committee members considered it still too early to declare a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC), given its restrictive and binary nature. Among other recommendations, the Committee advised that it be recalled in approximately 10 days.

 

(Extract from that meeting)
To other countries

It is expected that further international exportation of cases may appear in any country. Thus, all countries should be prepared for containment, including active surveillance, early detection, isolation and case management, contact tracing and prevention of onward spread of 2019-nCoV infection, and to share full data with WHO.

Countries are required to share information with WHO according to the IHR.

Technical advice is available here.  Countries should place particular emphasis on reducing human infection, prevention of secondary transmission and international spread and contributing to the international response though multi-sectoral communication and collaboration and active participation in increasing knowledge on the virus and the disease, as well as advancing research. Countries should also follow travel advice from WHO.

To the global community

As this is a new coronavirus, and it has been previously shown that similar coronaviruses required substantial efforts for regular information sharing and research, the global community should continue to demonstrate solidarity and cooperation, in compliance with Article 44 of the IHR (2005), in supporting each other on the identification of the source of this new virus, its full potential for human-to-human transmission, preparedness for potential importation of cases, and research for developing necessary treatment.

 

WHO and China leaders meet in Beijing to discuss coronavirus outbreak

28 January 2020

WHO Director-General Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus met with China's President Xi Jinping in Beijing about the coronavirus outbreak.

Dr Tedros was joined by WHO Regional Director Dr Takeshi Kasai and Executive Director of the WHO Health Emergencies Programme Dr Mike Ryan, and also met State Councilor and Minister of Foreign Affairs Wang Yi and Minister of Health Ma Xiaowei.

The discussions focused on continued collaboration on containment measures in Wuhan, public health measures in other cities and provinces, conducting further studies on the severity and transmissibility of the virus, continuing to share data, and for China to share biological material with WHO. These measures will advance scientific understanding of the virus and contribute to the development of medical countermeasures such as vaccines and treatments.

The two sides agreed that WHO would send international experts to visit China as soon as possible to work with Chinese counterparts on increasing understanding of the outbreak to guide global response efforts.

Public Health Emergency of International Concern declared

30 January 2020

WHO Director-General Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus declared the 2019-nCoV outbreak a Public Health Emergency of International Concern, following a second meeting of the Emergency Committee convened under the International Health Regulations.

Acknowledging that cases have been reported in five WHO regions in one month, the Committee noted that early detection, isolating and treating cases, contact tracing and social distancing measures – in line with the level of risk – can all work to interrupt virus
spread.
 

And so on...

Apparently you and many others have similar problem to Trump as you don't understand that as this is a new virus that is spreading and the information regarding it gets updated as soon as there is new verified information. Just look at Trump promoting Hydroxychloroquine (a medicine that even the CIA told their employees and families to avoid in their health recommendations...) based on studies that had all been redacted as they didn't pass peer review and couldn't be replicated... but Trump had already seen those reports so he had already set up his mind!

Good post! However you forgot that as early as January 17, the WHO made available a protocol on how to design a coronavirus test.

14 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Amen. Time for qualified and competent individuals to take over running the WHO, otherwise just disband it. The UN too while we are at it. So great to see a leader brave enough to tackle this monstrosity, knowing it's hardly going to win him any Nobel gongs or praise from MSM. Great job Trump!!

now that is a load of bull  trump delayed and ignored and refused to use fed aid to curtail this pandemic from the beginning .. he also cut funding or shut off agencies that would have prevented deaths ... all because a black president before him created the programs and yes i am calling trump a bigot neo nazi loving prez.........for me  trump is the first person to blame,  the buck stops at the prez 

So much rubbish being trotted out by the Trump haters - business as usual - sad people.

Yet the same sad people criticise Trump for not doing more and doing it earlier.

Here is the official WHO travel advisory on 29 February (after Trump restricted travel to/from China).

 

Quote:  

This document provides updated recommendations for international traffic in relation to the COVID-19 outbreak, in light of the rapidly evolving situation. It supersedes the advice published on 27 January 2020. (No Travel Bans)

WHO continues to advise against the application of travel or trade restrictions to countries experiencing COVID-19 outbreaks.

In general, evidence shows that restricting the movement of people and goods during public health emergencies is ineffective in most situations and may divert resources from other interventions.

Unquote.

https://www.who.int/news-room/articles-detail/updated-who-recommendations-for-international-traffic-in-relation-to-covid-19-outbreak