Popular Post Percy P Posted April 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 16, 2020 17 hours ago, DrTuner said: Penny for his thoughts, a dollar for the MoPH data that actually shows "Probable" and "Asymptomatic" case count, I'll throw in five bucks for the test figures. The question is what data is he going to base any decisions on. Money. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Baerboxer Posted April 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 minute ago, BobbyL said: With currently 0.6 death per 1 million people (if there numbers are true) they cannot keep this lockdown for another 6 weeks. Italy and Spain to name a few countries are beginning to have people returning to work now. Thailand has to do the same from 1st May. Governments around the world, rightly or wrongly, are balancing economic issues with health issues. Keeping people locked down and causing massive economic and financial problems just isn't sustainable in our current world. So many will now consider casualties as unfortunate but acceptable. Same logic governments always apply and claim they see the bigger picture. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almer Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 18 minutes ago, Surelynot said: Bit of a knee jerk reaction. Shirley knot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelynot Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Almer said: Shirley knot Ha! My monica for The Independent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percy P Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 16 hours ago, Brigand said: Many people in positions of privilege/power don't seem to realise just how much damage has, and is, being done. It's not going to keep, as many ordinary Thais are already at their wits end pawning everyday items for small bits of cash, people lined up outside gold shops etc. Give it two more weeks and people will be going properly nuts, even rioting. Most locals live day-to-day or month-to-month and as the work dries up and people get laid-off then it's going to go south big time. People are already throwing fits out of desperation. Problem is, that so many locals are so in debt with cars/houses and luxury items (even small ones like phones that they pay monthly) that they can't really afford and the slightest hiccup and they have to default as so few have room to maneuver. On top of this the shambles that the government handout has been and how slow they are doing it is just crazy ... and by the time they get the next batch of people ready for payment then the first lot will have run out of money and want more. Maybe they should use some of that mountain of foreign reserves they are sitting on. Dark days are ahead for many Thais as it will take a very long time to get things back to even half of what it was as so much here is dependent on tourism/hospitality and manufacturing. There will be no choice other than to let people get on with it soon, virus or no virus ... obviously social distancing, hand gel sanitizer and face masks are here to stay but they can't keep up the other Nazi stuff for that long. People have gotten too used to their lives and deal with shocks very badly plus hunger will make a criminal of anyone. But what can the people who are on minimum salary of 350B/day save for a rainy day . I see hand sanitizer at 250 Baht. Bangkok and the surrounding Provinces are in a fortunate position that the water supply is Chlorinated this keeps bacteria at bay. Shower, wash clothes. clean the floor and surfaces were food is prepared and your home and dry everything sanitized .The water is also 100% drinkable, its clear of all water born bacteria and full of vitamins unlike the water from the machines which is purified through reverse osmosis and vitamins are nutralized, their isn't any. and vitamins are all part of a good body immune system. Children should not drink it as an everyday drink. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jak2002003 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 51 minutes ago, Almer said: Or, as a 71 year old wise non knee jerk person i would Quarantine the brain dead of which you would find many on this forum. 46 minutes ago, possum1931 said: You are making sense, but you cannot have people locked down just because they are over 70, a lot of over 70s are still in good health through living a good lifestyle, and could give some people half their age a run for their money. Thinking about it more... how about the governments 'advise' the over 70's and people with pre existing conditions to self isolate? So, they are not forced into it, but have to sign a form to say they understand the dangers if they don't. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post connda Posted April 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 16, 2020 Those who experienced the Phuket disaster fail to remember history. What we are now seeing is the water being drawn out to sea at the edge of an oncoming tsunami as the world leaders play on the global beach happily making sand castles out of human misery. This is being referred to as a Social Bomb: "The Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC) warned that riots could be imminent in low-income neighborhoods as extreme wealth inequality has left households unprepared and without a cash buffer to weather the economic downturn." As we use to say in the military when those around us failed to understand the gravity of a dangerous situation: "Stand-by." 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlassWayOverHalfFull Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 19 hours ago, Surelynot said: Of course! Couldn't say "constantly under review". Now whatever happens we are all stuck until May. stuck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 minute ago, connda said: Those who experienced the Phuket disaster fail to remember history. What we are now seeing is the water being drawn out to sea at the edge of an oncoming tsunami as the world leaders play on the global beach happily making sand castles out of human misery. This is being referred to as a Social Bomb: "The Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC) warned that riots could be imminent in low-income neighborhoods as extreme wealth inequality has left households unprepared and without a cash buffer to weather the economic downturn." As we use to say in the military when those around us failed to understand the gravity of a dangerous situation: "Stand-by." The citizen in Lansing, Michigan are the bleeding edge of what is coming.... https://www.newsweek.com/residents-gridlock-michigan-streets-protest-governor-whitmers-coronavirus-lockdown-measures-1498112 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelynot Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Just now, GlassWayOverHalfFull said: stuck? In lockdown, however, it seems the Governors have more power than I thought they had. So maybe not 'stuck' till May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almer Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 38 minutes ago, Surelynot said: Ha! My monica for The Independent 555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 2 hours ago, cornishcarlos said: No it's because of the lack of testing, which even the government admitted to saying that it was too expensive !! 100,000 tests only in 6+ weeks !! Of which at least 50k were in private hospitals and are not included in "Confirmed" even if tested positive. Only source of that figure seems to be a leaked MoPH document. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennycrossfit Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 39 minutes ago, Percy P said: But what can the people who are on minimum salary of 350B/day save for a rainy day . I see hand sanitizer at 250 Baht. Bangkok and the surrounding Provinces are in a fortunate position that the water supply is Chlorinated this keeps bacteria at bay. Shower, wash clothes. clean the floor and surfaces were food is prepared and your home and dry everything sanitized .The water is also 100% drinkable, its clear of all water born bacteria and full of vitamins unlike the water from the machines which is purified through reverse osmosis and vitamins are nutralized, their isn't any. and vitamins are all part of a good body immune system. Children should not drink it as an everyday drink. What vitamins are in water 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Rodriguez Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 50 minutes ago, Percy P said: full of vitamins unlike the water from the machines which is purified through reverse osmosis and vitamins are nutralized what now ? vitamins ? like which ones ? A,B,C .... you mean minerals, but I doubt they add magnesium or potassium chlorine kills, yes, also your good intestinal bacteria, AKA YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM so does too much added sugar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrTuner Posted April 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 16, 2020 5 hours ago, Jimbo2014 said: So what have we achieved with this lockdown. Very little. The time should have been used to prepare for mass testing, contact tracing and procuring the necessary technology from f.ex. Korea. None of that has been done so the time that was bought with heavy hit to the economy has been for nothing. And you can blame face for that. Can't have them true infection numbers out. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 20 minutes ago, Bender Rodriguez said: chlorine kills, yes, also your good intestinal bacteria, AKA YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM Gut bacteria does play a role but it is not "the" immune system. That'd be the T-cells & co. Not a good idea to ingest chlorine in amounts that are so high they start to raise the levels in the exhaust pipes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anto Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 8 hours ago, Georgie65 said: Fair Warning!!! If I see any Chinese tour buses anytime soon in Pattaya, I will be calling a good friend of mine who works in US State Department back home in WAshington, DC. And I will let him, and the rest of the world know just how corrupt, incompetent and money hungry the Thai Government really is! #Americafirst2020 Your a horse of a man . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overt2016 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 yeah, that's 57 million of a population of 67 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofthemountain Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 2 hours ago, BobbyL said: With currently 0.6 death per 1 million people (if there numbers are true) they cannot keep this lockdown for another 6 weeks. Anyway it seems they don't have enough money to pay another month the 5000 bahts to 1 million people in need, so they are forced to let's open everything the 1 may. even if we can already predict a lack of customers for a lot of business particularly in the tourism sector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krataiboy Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) the contagion may resurge “if we lower our guard”. Most likely not until the schools reopen, when millions of children will be at risk of becoming infected and passing on the virus to vulnerable elderly relatives in multi-generational households. Not exactly a cheery prospect for those of us old enough to be grandfathers to our adopted families. Let's hope the virus has tired of Thailand before then. Couldn't blame it, really, faced with a booze ban and a curfew! Edited April 16, 2020 by Krataiboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geisha Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 There’s going to be a whole lot of Thais who are going to be in deep trouble financially. How long before the banks start recalling ? Thats not counting the millions of Thailand’s poor who won’t know how to carry on. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baansgr Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 63 million workers???…even the Priminister cant get figures correct...he should strike up a relationship with Ms Abbott 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofthemountain Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, geisha said: There’s going to be a whole lot of Thais who are going to be in deep trouble financially. How long before the banks start recalling ? Thats not counting the millions of Thailand’s poor who won’t know how to carry on. Thailand is not in big trouble for the moment because most of the population is in rural areas, where they are used to live with very little money or none. They can also find free food by themselves in the nature. Also and even if it's not very visible a lot of solidarities are at work between friends, families, neighbours. Temples and public local authorities give also some help, with food and shelter. And some private helps, like restaurants giving free foods. The problem could be more in the big cities like Bangkok or Pattaya where a lot of people are used to have and to spend large amount of money (And sometimes ''easy'' money, legal or not) This is why more restrictions like the alcool ban or the curfew are specifically enforced in these areas. (And probably more police and army forces are ''ready to go'' and already located here) Edited April 16, 2020 by kingofthemountain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, kingofthemountain said: Thailand is not in big trouble for the moment because most of the population is in rural areas, where they are used to live with very little money or none. They can also find free food by themselves in the nature. Also and even if it's not very visible a lot of solidarities are at work between friends, families, neighbours. Temples and public local authorities give also some help, with food and shelter. And some private helps, like restaurants giving free foods. The problem could be more in the big cities like Bangkok or Pattaya where a lot of people are used to have and to spend large amount of money (And sometimes ''easy'' money, legal or not) Tis is why more restrictions like the alcool ban or the curfew are specifically enforced in these areas. There are a lot of people in rural Thailand with monthly phone contracts and internet connections to name but one area where cash is required. kids use phones and internet for remote learning. Many also have 'insurance' to pay monthly for their 'funeral fund' requires cash too Where the offspring are working in the metropolis, many would be sending a little home to assist - now no more Sure the rural folks can survive, but pay bills such as mentioned above, once the gold is hawked - unlikely, and sure to cause discomfort. Edited April 16, 2020 by 473geo Clarity 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofthemountain Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 38 minutes ago, 473geo said: There are a lot of people in rural Thailand with monthly phone contracts and internet connections to name but one area where cash is required. kids use phones and internet for remote learning. Many also have 'insurance' to pay monthly for their 'funeral fund' requires cash too Where the offspring are working in the metropolis, many would be sending a little home to assist - now no more Sure the rural folks can survive, but pay bills such as mentioned above, once the gold is hawked - unlikely, and sure to cause discomfort. You are right about the phone and internet bills however it's less than 1000 bahts\month, not a big deal if the actual situation not run for 5 or 6 months. The monthly insurance is also a very little amount of money, most of the thais can manage it during few months. It's more a problem for the usual news big cars or houses with a huge credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, kingofthemountain said: You are right about the phone and internet bills however it's less than 1000 bahts\month, not a big deal if the actual situation not run for 5 or 6 months. The monthly insurance is also a very little amount of money, most of the thais can manage it during few months. It's more a problem for the usual news big cars or houses with a huge credit. In our family 3 phones, satellite internet 1000 a month would be lovely, sadly not the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofthemountain Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, 473geo said: In our family 3 phones, satellite internet 1000 a month would be lovely, sadly not the case ''Hi so'' family lol when i was in the small village in the north family 3 persons, 2 phones with 50 bahts credits DTAC inside for phone calls and internet wifi in house for everyone (Including the neighbours lol) TOT 590 bahts/ month of course when money is not a problem you can be large, and i am sure you are but we are talking about Thai people with very little money in special rough times then i just write another way is possible before being strangled finiancially maybe time for some people to think about the real priorities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrunchWrapSupreme Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 23 hours ago, Brigand said: People have gotten too used to their lives and deal with shocks very badly plus hunger will make a criminal of anyone. I just heard cops were out here in the moo ban this afternoon. One neighbor was screaming at another for rice to sell because he's broke. Ya ba is suspected to have been involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CrunchWrapSupreme Posted April 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 16, 2020 Seems both Trump and Prayut have set "let's wrap up the virus" dates for the end of the month. Huh? Just awhile ago I was hearing "no end in sight" and "a vaccine could be a year away". I guess they know something we don't? Have they been on the phone with each other? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmen Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 We are entering the final phase and its been discussed globally " let the old die" and let the rest of the world get back to life again. Makes perfect sense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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