Thailand reports 18 new coronavirus cases, no new deaths

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Thailand reports 18 new coronavirus cases, no new deaths

 

FILE PHOTO: Reuters

 

BANGKOK (Reuters) - Thailand's new coronavirus cases rose to 18 on Monday, after falling to single-digits for the past week, but the country reported no new deaths.

 

Monday's report brought the total number of cases to 2,987 since the new virus was detected in Thailand in January, with a total of 54 deaths.

 

The new cases were migrants who were entering Thailand through an immigration checkpoint in the southern province of Songkhla, which shares a border with Malaysia, said Taweesin Wisanuyothin, a spokesman of the government's Centre for COVID-19 Situation Administration.

 

They were all being quarantined in an immigration detention centre, along with 42 cases found previously on April 25, Taweesin said.

 

(Reporting by Patpicha Tanakasempipat)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2020-05-04

 

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[rkidlad]

Read a report of 40 people yesterday who were tested positive in Yala. Whoever oversees the tests didn’t like the numbers and they were tested again. After second round of testing, the 40 were then found to be negative. They will be tested again in Bangkok, apparently. 
 

Would be interesting to know if all these tests were done using the same test kits. If so, where do these test kits come from and where else have they been used?

[Bkk Brian]

Strange because they reported 40 new cases last night:

 

A second set of swabs from 40 asymptomatic in-patients at a hospital in Yala, southern Thailand, were sent to a laboratory in neighbouring Songkhla for analysis. Now the health office has confirmed the 40 new Covid-19 cases in Yala. The huge spike in local cases has sent health officials scurrying to trace those who had been in contact with the contaminants. 

 

https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/cv19-asia/cv19-thailand/40-confirmed-covid-19-cases-surface-in-southern-yala-province

 

Although an update on that this morning is that they have now retested those 40 cases and they were found to be negative? I've heard of false negative tests before but this is a first for false positive.

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18 illegal immigrants found to carry Covid-19 in Songkhla

By The Nation

 

 

Thailand's Covid-19 count rose sharply over a 24-hour period with 18 people testing positive, ending a week of single-digit new cases.

 

Cumulative cases rose to 2,987, Dr Taweesin Visanuyothin, spokesman of the government’s Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration, said on Monday (May 4).

 

All the 18 new cases were found at the Songkhla Immigration Detention Centre in Songkhla province. The patients are illegal immigrants.

 

Of the total 2,987 cases, 2,470 have recovered, 193 remain under treatment at hospitals while deaths remain unchanged at 54.

 

Meanwhile, he said the 40 suspected new cases in Yala province reported on Sunday, turned out to be negative when retested. He said the tests would done again at a Bangkok lab, and the CCSA will report the outcome later.

 

Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30387242?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=internal_referral

 

-- © Copyright The Nation Thailand 2020-05-04

 

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[rkidlad]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Strange because they reported 40 new cases last night:

 

A second set of swabs from 40 asymptomatic in-patients at a hospital in Yala, southern Thailand, were sent to a laboratory in neighbouring Songkhla for analysis. Now the health office has confirmed the 40 new Covid-19 cases in Yala. The huge spike in local cases has sent health officials scurrying to trace those who had been in contact with the contaminants. 

 

https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/cv19-asia/cv19-thailand/40-confirmed-covid-19-cases-surface-in-southern-yala-province

 

Although an update on that this morning is that they have now retested those 40 cases and they were found to be negative? I've heard of false negative tests before but this is a first for false positive.

India has started to make its own testing kits as the ones they got from China were very unreliable. India isn’t the only country to send back or stop using Chinese-made testing kits. 
 

The whole Yala situation needs some serious questions to be asked about the testing kits they’re using.

[Guderian]

Maybe it's time to resurrect the old plan to link the Indian and Pacific oceans via a canal cut across the Kra Isthmus. It would make an easily-policed and effective border between the Deep South (and all its problems) and the rest of Thailand. I'm sure the Chinese could be relied on for finance via the BRI.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_Canal

 

[DrTuner]

They need to 'verify' the Yala 40. Off to the back of the queue ya go, see you in a week or so. "Confirmed" cases need the two reference lab positives.

 

Their story is starting to leak through the cracks.

[ParkerN]

1 hour ago, DrTuner said:

They need to 'verify' the Yala 40. Off to the back of the queue ya go, see you in a week or so. "Confirmed" cases need the two reference lab positives.

 

Their story is starting to leak through the cracks.

Is today's count (ignoring the 'no reported deaths' part) higher than yesterday's? I ask because I for one am expecting an imminent 2nd wave. That and I consider this government to be amoral and inveterate liars.

[ParkerN]

1 hour ago, Guderian said:

Maybe it's time to resurrect the old plan to link the Indian and Pacific oceans via a canal cut across the Kra Isthmus. It would make an easily-policed and effective border between the Deep South (and all its problems) and the rest of Thailand. I'm sure the Chinese could be relied on for finance via the BRI.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_Canal

 

Not sure the government will ever approve this. To do so is to kiss goodbye to all the areas in dispute. It would be Thailand's admission that they could not control the insurgency and it would signal the imminent end of this mendacious government.

[DirtyHarry55]

Quote

Meanwhile, he said the 40 suspected new cases in Yala province reported on Sunday, turned out to be negative when retested. He said the tests would done again at a Bangkok lab, and the CCSA will report the outcome later.

So all 40 who were previously positive are now negative really???? Come on.
I wonder if they are fixing the numbers?
Probably just took their temperature again in a colder room.

 

 

Edited May 4, 2020 by DirtyHarry55

[d2b2]

This report doesn't pass the sniff test.

[ThailandRyan]

18 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

They need to 'verify' the Yala 40. Off to the back of the queue ya go, see you in a week or so. "Confirmed" cases need the two reference lab positives.

 

Their story is starting to leak through the cracks.

The cracks are like a sieve, slowly dripping out unwanted real variables, that then get re-hashed as nothing to see here tests....

[DavisH]

10 minutes ago, DirtyHarry55 said:

So all 40 who were previously positive are now negative really???? Come on.
I wonder if they are fixing the numbers?
Probably just took their temperature again in a colder room.

 

 

Can you read? They are being tested again in BK. Yes they are fixing the numbers bla bla bla. 

[Bkk Brian]

13 minutes ago, DirtyHarry55 said:

So all 40 who were previously positive are now negative really???? Come on.
I wonder if they are fixing the numbers?
Probably just took their temperature again in a colder room.

 

 

I've yet to read a report anywhere else where a covid test turned out to be a false positive, only in Thailand eh. To have 40 of them in one bulk seems highly unlikey

[DrTuner]

39 minutes ago, DirtyHarry55 said:

So all 40 who were previously positive are now negative really???? Come on.

They now have a problem in that the test kits, whatever they are, have finally reached the provinces (at least Phuket and Yala, a good thing in itself), but the local labs are leaking the results to the public, instead of MoPH backing them up in the backlog in Bangkok. 

 

Hard to keep the propaganda intact.

[HarrySeaman]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Strange because they reported 40 new cases last night:

 

A second set of swabs from 40 asymptomatic in-patients at a hospital in Yala, southern Thailand, were sent to a laboratory in neighbouring Songkhla for analysis. Now the health office has confirmed the 40 new Covid-19 cases in Yala. The huge spike in local cases has sent health officials scurrying to trace those who had been in contact with the contaminants. 

 

https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/cv19-asia/cv19-thailand/40-confirmed-covid-19-cases-surface-in-southern-yala-province

 

Although an update on that this morning is that they have now retested those 40 cases and they were found to be negative? I've heard of false negative tests before but this is a first for false positive.

The more sensitive a test the more likely a false positive.

 

Here is an interesting read about a hypothetical test that is 99% specific for COVID-19.  Even though the author has tried to make things simple, understanding the article depends on understanding statistics.  It is worth spending the time to think about the article enough to understand it.  The bottom line is that how big a chance of a false positive (or false negative) result depends on the percentage of the population tested that is positive and how many people you test.

 

Why even a super-accurate Covid-19 test can fail

[DrTuner]

6 minutes ago, HarrySeaman said:

The more sensitive a test the more likely a false positive.

 

Here is an interesting read about a hypothetical test that is 99% specific for COVID-19.  Even though the author has tried to make things simple, understanding the article depends on understanding statistics.  It is worth spending the time to think about the article enough to understand it.  The bottom line is that how big a chance of a false positive (or false negative) result depends on the percentage of the population tested that is positive and how many people you test.

 

Why even a super-accurate Covid-19 test can fail

Quote

Scientists at the Cleveland Clinic found that one popular rapid genetic test told users they didn’t have the virus when they actually did about 15 percent of the time

RT-PCR looks for a genetic sequence. For a false positive, the test would somehow need to falsify that reading. I'll look up exactly how the result is interpreted, but AFAIK they read it off a fluorescent film. Would be hard to get false positives, unless the technician is a total somchai.

 

Here's the guidance for diagnostics from WHO: https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/protocol-v2-1.pdf?sfvrsn=a9ef618c_2

 

Here's some info: https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/how-is-the-covid-19-virus-detected-using-real-time-rt-pcr

 

Seems the genetic sequence is detected by a computer from the film.

Edited May 4, 2020 by DrTuner

[ParkerN]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

I've yet to read a report anywhere else where a covid test turned out to be a false positive, only in Thailand eh. To have 40 of them in one bulk seems highly unlikey

Most things in Thailand are so incompetent they're a joke, this is just one more - more blatantly untrue than many of the others but unsurprising just the same.

[ParkerN]

1 hour ago, DrTuner said:

total somchai

LOL. Right. First time I've heard this, but true enough...

[DrTuner]

Here's a more complete video of the RT-PCR diagnosis process:

 

Hard to see how false positives would occur.

 

Unless the reagents produced by the local Thai company that were advertised about a week ago are defective.

Edited May 4, 2020 by DrTuner

[offset]

40 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

They now have a problem in that the test kits, whatever they are, have finally reached the provinces (at least Phuket and Yala, a good thing in itself), but the local labs are leaking the results to the public, instead of MoPH backing them up in the backlog in Bangkok. 

 

Hard to keep the propaganda intact.

Only the people that are in hospital are called confirmed cases any that not require being in hospital are not counted so maybe the 40 are not hospital cases yet so now they not know how to count them

[Bkk Brian]

37 minutes ago, HarrySeaman said:

The more sensitive a test the more likely a false positive.

 

Here is an interesting read about a hypothetical test that is 99% specific for COVID-19.  Even though the author has tried to make things simple, understanding the article depends on understanding statistics.  It is worth spending the time to think about the article enough to understand it.  The bottom line is that how big a chance of a false positive (or false negative) result depends on the percentage of the population tested that is positive and how many people you test.

 

Why even a super-accurate Covid-19 test can fail

40 tests return false positive in one batch, that's the issue and highly unlikely

[ThailandRyan]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

40 tests return false positive in one batch, that's the issue and highly unlikely

But it is a Thai reality.  Boss those tests, they no good, we no like the results, so you can say no new cases today.  There I fixed it for you A Nut In the MOPH....

[taninthai]

From yesterday in yala..quote

This comes after new infections in Yaha district jumped by about 30% after initial tests on 78 people showed 24 of have COVID-19, said Dr. Songkran Maichum, head of Yala’s provincial health office, this evening (Sunday).

 

and they are still waiting on results from 40 tests...

Edited May 4, 2020 by taninthai

[DrTuner]

56 minutes ago, offset said:

Only the people that are in hospital are called confirmed cases any that not require being in hospital are not counted so maybe the 40 are not hospital cases yet so now they not know how to count them

Here's the actual official definition of "Confirmed" from MoPH itself:

https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/file/guidelines/G_en_21022020.pdf

 

Quote

3. Confirmed case is defined as a PUI who has tested positive for genetic materials of SARS-CoV-2 by PCR from two (2) reference laboratories, or by genetic sequencing, or by culture.

 

The reference labs that WHO lists are NIH lab in Nonthaburi and Army lab in Bangkok. 

https://www.who.int/who-documents-detail/who-reference-laboratories-providing-confirmatory-testing-for-covid-19

 

EDIT: Huh, they removed the army lab as a separate line in the last update. I think it's included in the cluster though:

Quote

Thailand Nonthaburi,
Bangkok

National Institute of Health,
Department of Medical Sciences, Ministry of Public
Health and Armed Forces Research Institute of
Medical Science

 

Edited May 4, 2020 by DrTuner

[DrTuner]

33 minutes ago, taninthai said:

Dr. Songkran Maichum, head of Yala’s provincial health office

Naughty naughty. Should not disclose results before Big Brother has filtered them through the propaganda machine.

[rkidlad]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand reports 18 new coronavirus cases, no new deaths

This is great news! And as the poster below highlights the celebration of "0 Thais" being tested positive, the red writing highlights how the 18 who were tested as having covid are 'foreigners'. Hey, they might be girls and women aged 13-22 and a 10-year-old boy, but who cares? We should be celebrating 0 Thais!

 

 

 

 

Edited May 4, 2020 by rkidlad

[ParkerN]

1 hour ago, rkidlad said:

This is great news! And as the poster below highlights the celebration of "0 Thais" being tested positive, the red writing highlights how the 18 who were tested as having covid are 'foreigners'. Hey, they might be girls and women aged 13-22 and a 10-year-old boy, but who cares? We should be celebrating 0 Thais!

 

 

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why? Is one nationality inherently worth less than another?

[Bkk Brian]

39 minutes ago, taninthai said:

From yesterday in yala..quote

This comes after new infections in Yaha district jumped by about 30% after initial tests on 78 people showed 24 of have COVID-19, said Dr. Songkran Maichum, head of Yala’s provincial health office, this evening (Sunday).

 

and they are still waiting on results from 40 tests...

CCSA spokesman Taweesilp Visanuyothin said yesterday that reports of new infections needed to be verified as some areas posted an unusually high percentage of positive test results.

 

[rkidlad]

2 minutes ago, ParkerN said:

 

why? Is one nationality inherently worth less than another?

According to the poster - seemingly so.