Early end to U.S. state lockdowns could cause needless 'suffering and death' - Fauci

[Jingthing]

Here is an objective analysis of why the US is doing so badly compared to other countries in the world. No the blame isn't all on the current commander of chaos. There are structural problems as well. But Fauci is right. Rushing this for political reasons is going to backfire. What a train wreck. This isn't the end of the Covid-19 problem. We are still in the earlier stages. 

 

Source here is a respected established news source. The Economist. 

 

 

[Isaan sailor]

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

Nancy took her cue from what Trump said from January.

Jan 22 - we have a plan and will be handled very well. We have things under control

Jan 24 - China working very hard to contain the virus. It will work out well

Feb 7 - with warmer weather, virus becomes weaker and then gone

Feb 10 - I had long talk with Xi and he feels very confident. By April, the heat, kills this kind of virus.

Feb 23 - situation is very much under control

So let’s lambaste Nancy Pelosi, as long as China and the liberals skewer President Trump.  Deal?

[Eric Loh]

7 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

So let’s lambaste Nancy Pelosi, as long as China and the liberals skewer President Trump.  Deal?

Really the size of the audience that counts. She was talking to a small gathering in Chinatown while he was talking to the population numerous times. No deal. 

[Nigel Garvie]

1 hour ago, Mama Noodle said:

Then why did you bring it up if you want to deflect back to the “thread topic” when you have to face valid criticism. 

This is silly, you don't deflect back to the main topic, it is the MAIN TOPIC, you may wan' to deflect away from it, now that makes sense.

[spidermike007]

Beyond seven weeks of lockdown is not sustainable. It is easy for someone like Fauci to take the safe route. He is basically a shrill for big pharma. But, what about the little guy? The common man? Fauci earns $384,000 in salary, plus countless benefits, plus fees for speaking engagements, etc. etc. Quite a far cry from 65% of Americans who had only two months or so, of savings once this thing started. 

 

You cannot keep an economy shut forever. You have to let the people get back to work. You use whatever safeguards you can, and you develop herd immunity, and let the immunity system do it's work. You continue to isolate the elderly and the most vulnerable as much as possible. This experiment in insanity, known as an economic shutdown, was never supposed to be forever, or long term. It is devastating tens of millions in the US, and hundreds of millions worldwide. There are people in India and Africa spending their entire day trying to find one potato and some rice. 

 

There are a lot of people who are collecting a paycheck, or a handout, or receiving their monthly pension who are calling for a longer shutdown. For those of us who work for a living, or those of us who are self employed without massive savings, this thing is killing us. 

[Tie Dye Samurai]

3 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

This guy, Fauci, has changed his positions more often than a Pattaya freelancer...shotgunning the virus...hoping something will stick and he can play the role of hero...

can you elaborate on what "shotgunning" the virus means? And maybe give some examples of how Dr Fauci has done this?

[Tie Dye Samurai]

3 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

This guy, Fauci, has changed his positions more often than a Pattaya freelancer...shotgunning the virus...hoping something will stick and he can play the role of hero...

Replace the name Fauci with Trump and you are entirely accurate....

[Mama Noodle]

13 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

This is silly, you don't deflect back to the main topic, it is the MAIN TOPIC, you may wan' to deflect away from it, now that makes sense.

 

You guys have a hard time with words apparently. Dude asked why governors are being attacked by Trump, implying they are not doing anything wrong and Big Bad Trump is doing all the wrong. 
 

I answered, and gave a specific example that accounts for a specific 5,000++ deaths of our most venerable people as a direct result of a governors response to the virus, written via executive order. 

 

Dude then deflects and wants to get back on the thread topic when faced with legitimate criticism. 

 

Theres scores of dead that are of no fault of Trumps, and the direct responsibility of local governors, and anyone who denies that deserves no serious consideration. 

[stevenl]

13 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Beyond seven weeks of lockdown is not sustainable. It is easy for someone like Fauci to take the safe route. He is basically a shrill for big pharma. But, what about the little guy? The common man? Fauci earns $384,000 in salary, plus countless benefits, plus fees for speaking engagements, etc. etc. Quite a far cry from 65% of Americans who had only two months or so, of savings once this thing started. 

 

You cannot keep an economy shut forever. You have to let the people get back to work. You use whatever safeguards you can, and you develop herd immunity, and let the immunity system do it's work. You continue to isolate the elderly and the most vulnerable as much as possible. This experiment in insanity, known as an economic shutdown, was never supposed to be forever, or long term. It is devastating tens of millions in the US, and hundreds of millions worldwide. There are people in India and Africa spending their entire day trying to find one potato and some rice. 

 

There are a lot of people who are collecting a paycheck, or a handout, or receiving their monthly pension who are calling for a longer shutdown. For those of us who work for a living, or those of us who are self employed without massive savings, this thing is killing us. 

Nothing to do with his income. His pov is from health care, so keep closed, economists may say open.

[Nigel Garvie]

6 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Beyond seven weeks of lockdown is not sustainable. It is easy for someone like Fauci to take the safe route. He is basically a shrill for big pharma. But, what about the little guy? The common man? Fauci earns $384,000 in salary, plus countless benefits, plus fees for speaking engagements, etc. etc. Quite a far cry from 65% of Americans who had only two months or so, of savings once this thing started. 

 

You cannot keep an economy shut forever. You have to let the people get back to work. You use whatever safeguards you can, and you develop herd immunity, and let the immunity system do it's work. You continue to isolate the elderly and the most vulnerable as much as possible. This experiment in insanity, known as an economic shutdown, was never supposed to be forever, or long term. It is devastating tens of millions in the US, and hundreds of millions worldwide. There are people in India and Africa spending their entire day trying to find one potato and some rice. 

 

There are a lot of people who are collecting a paycheck, or a handout, or receiving their monthly pension who are calling for a longer shutdown. For those of us who work for a living, or those of us who are self employed without massive savings, this thing is killing us. 

It would have been a better post if you had skipped on the Fauci abuse at the start. "A shrill for big Pharma" sorry I had credited you - based on previous posts - as someone who would be too smart to fall for that Conspiracy Theory nonsense. Yes he earns a lot, so do millions of others in his very senior position - so what. 

It is always toughest for those at the bottom of the pile, and the US has put vast effort into increasing the gap between the rich and the poor IMHO. It would be wonderful if covid only attacked the rich creeps who are trying to open the economy for their own financial benefit, but it mainly decimates the poor. Trump obviously doesn't  give a tinkers cuss for dead people of any sort if he gets re-elected. But it is very unwise to invite massive increases in Covid deaths by opening up too soon. Yes people need work, but I think it simply comes to a choice between great hardship for a while longer and a hugely increased chance of being dead (For you and others) for a while longer. Your economy or my life, my economy or your life........ difficult?

[PingRoundTheWorld]

Also Fauci, in other words: My job is to give you the risks, not realistic scenarios. You have other advisors to give you economic recommendations.

 

That guy is a self-serving clown and he's literally telling Congress his recommendations are worthless. Stop listening to him!

[Traubert]

21 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

You guys have a hard time with words apparently. Dude asked why governors are being attacked by Trump, implying they are not doing anything wrong and Big Bad Trump is doing all the wrong. 
 

I answered, and gave a specific example that accounts for a specific 5,000++ deaths of our most venerable people as a direct result of a governors response to the virus, written via executive order. 

 

Dude then deflects and wants to get back on the thread topic when faced with legitimate criticism. 

 

Theres scores of dead that are of no fault of Trumps, and the direct responsibility of local governors, and anyone who denies that deserves no serious consideration. 

'Scores' doesn't make a big hole in 80,000

[spidermike007]

2 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

It would have been a better post if you had skipped on the Fauci abuse at the start. "A shrill for big Pharma" sorry I had credited you - based on previous posts - as someone who would be too smart to fall for that Conspiracy Theory nonsense. Yes he earns a lot, so do millions of others in his very senior position - so what. 

It is always toughest for those at the bottom of the pile, and the US has put vast effort into increasing the gap between the rich and the poor IMHO. It would be wonderful if covid only attacked the rich creeps who are trying to open the economy for their own financial benefit, but it mainly decimates the poor. Trump obviously doesn't  give a tinkers cuss for dead people of any sort if he gets re-elected. But it is very unwise to invite massive increases in Covid deaths by opening up too soon. Yes people need work, but I think it simply comes to a choice between great hardship for a while longer and a hugely increased chance of being dead (For you and others) for a while longer. Your economy or my life, my economy or your life........ difficult?

Well, if it provides you with any consolation, I consider nearly all US doctors to be shrills for big pharma. Let me ask you one question. When was the last time you visited a doctor in the US, who DID NOT write a prescription? Nothing to do with a conspiracy theory. I am NOT a Trump supporter, on any level. It is just that I discredit the US health care system, to a tremendous degree. And I despise the CDC, and the FDA. Fauci is doing his best (likely with the encouragement of Big Pharma) to discourage trying any medicines which have not undergone a clinical study (like generics, which are far less profitable, and again, with the involvement of the FDA, which oversees these tests), even if it means letting people die. He has very, very little of my respect, and none of my admiration. And I do not consider him a saint. 

 

And the US will not be putting any effort into decreasing that gap between the rich and the poor. It is moving precisely in the opposite direction, and has been since Reagan. 

[Sujo]

11 minutes ago, PingRoundTheWorld said:

Also Fauci, in other words: My job is to give you the risks, not realistic scenarios. You have other advisors to give you economic recommendations.

 

That guy is a self-serving clown and he's literally telling Congress his recommendations are worthless. Stop listening to him!

It was the senate, not congress.

 

He is self serving for doing his job? He is a scientist. His role is to consider the science and tell congress what that science reveals. He is then asked what he thinks should be done. He tells them the best way to keep deaths minimal.

 

Now its up to the politicians to do their job. Consider whether the numbers dead are worth the risk.

 

Fauci states the facts the science indicates. Politicians deal with it as they see fit.

[Mama Noodle]

12 minutes ago, Traubert said:

'Scores' doesn't make a big hole in 80,000

Thats just what we can confirm right now, with evidence. 

[simple1]

2 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

Then why did you bring it up if you want to deflect back to the “thread topic” when you have to face valid criticism. 

I was talking to trump's hypocrisy. How about an answer to my question concerning taking trump's ownership of his mistakes rather than another deflection

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[Throatwobbler]

57 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Beyond seven weeks of lockdown is not sustainable. It is easy for someone like Fauci to take the safe route. He is basically a shrill for big pharma. But, what about the little guy? The common man? Fauci earns $384,000 in salary, plus countless benefits, plus fees for speaking engagements, etc. etc. Quite a far cry from 65% of Americans who had only two months or so, of savings once this thing started. 

 

You cannot keep an economy shut forever. You have to let the people get back to work. You use whatever safeguards you can, and you develop herd immunity, and let the immunity system do it's work. You continue to isolate the elderly and the most vulnerable as much as possible. This experiment in insanity, known as an economic shutdown, was never supposed to be forever, or long term. It is devastating tens of millions in the US, and hundreds of millions worldwide. There are people in India and Africa spending their entire day trying to find one potato and some rice. 

 

There are a lot of people who are collecting a paycheck, or a handout, or receiving their monthly pension who are calling for a longer shutdown. For those of us who work for a living, or those of us who are self employed without massive savings, this thing is killing us. 

Still playing the shrill for big pharma card. I used to consider you an intelligent poster. Your countless posts about Covid have shown me I was wrong.

[billd766]

4 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

This guy, Fauci, has changed his positions more often than a Pattaya freelancer...shotgunning the virus...hoping something will stick and he can play the role of hero...

Whereas Trump who has never told a lie truth in his life has made more changes of direction in the last 3 or more years than any normal person would make in a lifetime.

 

BTW did you major in medicine and epidemiology?

[simple1]

4 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

<SNIP>

LA County for example is on lockdown to August now. 

 

Is LA County following the guidelines agree to by trump?

[simple1]

2 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

I don’t follow Nancy Pelosi’s remarks too much, as I have little access to CNN (thankfully).  However, I do recall Nancy in her densely packed entourage last February 24th in SanFran’s Chinatown.  She  claimed people discriminated against the local businesses.  She also told us Wuhan virus did not pose a problem—and we should all come there and patronize.  

Glad I didn’t take her advice.

Plenty of fact checks to counter trump propaganda e.g.

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/trumps-false-claims-about-pelosi-and-chinatown/

[Walker88]

4 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

The Democrats are going to go for lockdowns for as long as possible to further crush the economy and push for cheat-by-mail voting. 

LA County for example is on lockdown to August now. 

Simply ludicrous... 

That's some Top level Moonbatting you've got going there.

 

Do you know how many instances of mail-voting fraud was discovered in the last State to allow it?

 

One, Possible.

 

45 lost CA by 3 million votes. If one person engages in fraud in Nov, I think it's safe to assume that is not going to turn the State in 45's favor.

 

Oh, by the way, do you know who voted by mail in the mid terms and in State primaries?

 

45, his daughter, and his son-in-law.

 

As for lockdowns, perhaps you will tell Stephen Miller and his wife to go back to work in the West Wing, instead of staying home. And Mike Pence, too.  Yesterday 45 told Pence not to show up for a while, since Pence's Press Sec came down with CV-19, and thus Pence should watch himself.

 

But 45 needs his meat, so he orders meat packers back, and that has resulted in new infections.

[sukhumvitneon]

4 hours ago, Yinn said:

Could? 

Will. Sure. 

This is totally a real female Thai person and not fake in anyway

[Mavideol]

7 hours ago, simple1 said:

Will trump attack Fauci?

haven't seen any twitter yet but still early, let's wait a bit and quite sure he will start the rant

[Walker88]

1 hour ago, PingRoundTheWorld said:

Also Fauci, in other words: My job is to give you the risks, not realistic scenarios. You have other advisors to give you economic recommendations.

 

That guy is a self-serving clown and he's literally telling Congress his recommendations are worthless. Stop listening to him!

"Self-serving clown"

 

Where did you get your medical or epidemiology degree? Is 'clown' a med school technical term?

 

Praytell what does Dr Fauci have to gain by providing his science-based opinion, which he admits doesn't mean Congress must follow? If he is, as you assert, "self-serving", then his words must bestow upon him a benefit of some sort. Since you look as if you are some sort of compensation expert as well as an expert epidemiologist, please share your wisdom with readers here.

 

I know an awful lot of biochemistry, so don't be shy if you need to raise the issue, for example, of hydroxy bonds migrating on an aromatic ring in the protein capsid layer of the virus.  I can take it.

Edited May 13, 2020 by Walker88
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[Opl]

1 hour ago, Magenta408 said:

The not-so-good Dr. FAUSTi does not seem to understand the tremendous problem he has created by taking Imperial College's recommendation to lock a country down, prevent people from accessing their livelihood, keep them confined when it used to be that the ill were confined. Now he wants this to carry through indefinitely. This is not on! It was not necessary. 

Above all, Dr Fauci is'nt seeking for reelection. 

[Dumbastheycome]

17 minutes ago, sukhumvitneon said:

This is totally a real female Thai person and not fake in anyway

Your pop up got right  around  my blocker ! Well done ! ????

[Mikeasq60]

Dont people realize Fauchi is a political hack its easy to see who all of his associates are. How many people are loosing everything theyve worked hard for, cant put food on the table no govt bailout for everyone. Kids not able to attend school. You have to dig deeper this guy is the problem who is he what is he hes been a politician his whole career. Dont fall for it.

[ChouDoufu]

6 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

The only place it says "Needless" suffering and death is in the headline. 

 

Fauci's actual quote is:

 

 

Everyone knows this already as well. Nothing new. But staying locked down indefinitely is not an option. 

it's not a trick.   appears thaivisa copy-n-pasted from the google results, not from the article.

 

that headline is from a link to yesterday's report that DID use that exact quote.  the article was updated after the senate appearance, but not attached to a new link.  put the headline into the googles and you get the old headline, but get sent to the updated reuters article:

 

California cancels fall university classes as Fauci warns of reopening too soon

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa/premature-end-to-u-s-state-lockdowns-could-cause-needless-death-fauci-tells-senators-idUSKBN22O1Y7

 

 

[Tchooptip]

Just a note in passing concerning the US of A,  I wonder if there is another country in the world that has become so partisan with two political parties that are constantly opposing in totally bad faith concerning 100% of what the other party said, intelligent or stupid true or false everything that the opposing party says will be denigrated and ridiculed by the members of the other one!  It makes me sad for this country which was so magnificient and that I admired for a long time but that I no longer admire because I have the impression that politically it has become stupid (sorry) I find it sad and I hope that it will be able to change sooner than later!