Colorado Switches To Honest COVID-19 Death Count, Death Toll Drops 31%

[Crazy Alex]

Well, at least Colorado decided to get a conscience. Better late than never. Apparently, anyone who had the virus and died was counted as a COVID-19 death. So you could have died in a motorcycle accident. But if you had COVID-19, it was a COVID-19 death. Or, you could die of blood alcohol poisoning at .55% BAC and be counted as a COVID-19 death as happened to the poor soul described at the link below:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8324017/Colorado-health-officials-fire-saying-drunk-man-died-coronavirus.html

 

I wonder how many other states have been cooking the books. Here is the bottom line on the numbers before and after telling the truth:

 

"The department now says 1,150 Coloradoans who died had COVID-19 but only 878 of those deaths were “due to” COVID-19."

 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/colorado-lowers-coronavirus-death-count

 

 

[BritManToo]

You just know they're all doing that.

Seeing as 50% of the world population probably has/had it, testing after death isn't that meaningful.

It's a fake pandemic.

 

I'd need a pile of dead bodies on my local village green before I became worried.

Now that would be a pandemic!

 

Edited May 17, 2020 by BritManToo

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

More crazy news above from one of the most reliable crazy news sources here...

 

How about the real news:

 

Quote

Fauci Says U.S. Death Toll Is Likely Higher. Other COVID-19 Stats Need Adjusting, Too

 

May 13, 202012:05 PM ET

 

The U.S. has the most coronavirus deaths of any country in the world — on May 11, the death toll passed 80,000. And that's likely an undercount.

 

"Almost certainly it's higher," said Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, at a virtual Senate hearing on Tuesday. "There may have been people who died at home who were not counted as COVID because they never really got to the hospital."

 

And the article goes on to explain other reasons why the current death stats are likely an undercount, but TVF policy prevents me from quoting a longer excerpt.

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/05/13/854873605/fauci-says-u-s-death-toll-is-likely-higher-other-covid-stats-need-adjusting-too

 

Having 100,000 plus dead Americans on his watch isn't going to look very good for Trump's re-election resume. So of course, there's now a concerted Republican/right-wing campaign underway to try to question and distort the death statistics.  It's not going to succeed.

 

Listen to the doctors, not the politicians.

 

Edited May 17, 2020 by blackcab
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[ChouDoufu]

i'm so confused!

 

when the virus was in wuhan, it was the zombie apocalypse!  they were dropping dead in the streets, being shoved alive into crematoriums.  china was lying, we knew it, cause their numbers were low.  we counted cell phone subscriptions and urn deliveries and measured sulfer dioxide emissions.  okay!  china lied!  billions died!

 

but now when the virus is here amongst us, it's just the flu, bro!  we're lying, cause, well, our numbers are high.  and for reasons.

[Crazy Alex]

6 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

More crazy news above from one of the most reliable crazy news sources here...

 

How about the real news:

 

And the article goes on to explain other reasons why the current death stats are likely an undercount, but TVF policy prevents me from quoting a longer excerpt.

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/05/13/854873605/fauci-says-u-s-death-toll-is-likely-higher-other-covid-stats-need-adjusting-too

 

Having 100,000 plus dead Americans on his watch isn't going to look very good for Trump's re-election resume. So of course, there's now a concerted Republican/right-wing campaign underway to try to question and distort the death statistics.  It's not going to succeed.

 

Listen to the doctors, not the politicians.

 

What does what Fauci says (LOL) have to do with Colorado deciding to count virus deaths correctly?

[Crazy Alex]

4 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

i'm so confused!

 

when the virus was in wuhan, it was the zombie apocalypse!  they were dropping dead in the streets, being shoved alive into crematoriums.  china was lying, we knew it, cause their numbers were low.  we counted cell phone subscriptions and urn deliveries and measured sulfer dioxide emissions.  okay!  china lied!  billions died!

 

but now when the virus is here amongst us, it's just the flu, bro!  we're lying, cause, well, our numbers are high.  and for reasons.

That's a lot of presumptions- and all to avoid the actual topic. So is Colorado in on this conspiracy you speak of? And who said billions died?????

[JensenZ]

9 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

That's a lot of presumptions- and all to avoid the actual topic. So is Colorado in on this conspiracy you speak of? And who said billions died?????

I agree the number is overstated everywhere. All the elderly people who would normally have died from pneumonia are now dying of covid-19. These 80 - 100 year olds were destined to die soon, one way or another, but now they are used to add to the covid-19 death count.

 

A useful way to analyse this would be to check the usual 80 - 100 age mortality rate in a normal year and make a comparison to see how many more have died during this pandemic.

 

I think a lot more people could be dying of other illnesses that aren't being treated as people are scared to go to hospitals for check-ups, screening and treatment. 

[farang51]

18 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

I agree the number is overstated everywhere.

Actually, they are not. As TallGuyJohninBKK pointed out, most likely the numbers are too low.

 

Yes, people who die of something else may be counted as corona deaths - if they have tested positive. However, many more people may have died of the virus but have never been tested; thus, not counted as corona deaths. From earlier epidemics we know, that it is normal to have an undercount until we can see the real effect of the epidemic in the statistics months or years later. That's why Fauci and other experts talk about higher numbers.

[SAINT THOMAS]

Someone explained it awhile ago, the states get extra Federal Money for every COVID-19 patient and thinking its an extra 41,000 USD if they died from COVID-19 so they are listing as many as they can died from COVID-19 and not from a heart attack, stroke, etc.

 

The Federal Government is going to sue the states sooner or later for this practice, which they must already know since Colorado has changed their numbers.

[Crazy Alex]

Just now, SAINT THOMAS said:

Someone explained it awhile ago, the states get extra Federal Money for every COVID-19 patient and thinking its an extra 41,000 USD if they died from COVID-19 so they are listing as many as they can died from COVID-19 and not from a heart attack, stroke, etc.

 

The Federal Government is going to sue the states sooner or later for this practice, which they must already know since Colorado has changed their numbers.

The extra money is for Medicare patients. $13,000 for a virus case, $39,000 if they're put on a ventilator. That's the incentive I know about. There could be other financial reasons they've been cooking the books.

[Susco]

Dailymail and Foxnews as reliable sources

 

 

????????????????

[Crazy Alex]

13 minutes ago, Susco said:

Dailymail and Foxnews as reliable sources

 

 

????????????????

Feel free to pick a source that suits you then.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=colorado+changes+virus+death+count

Once you accepted the facts, we can continue on.

 

Or, if you prefer, you can prove these stories are false.

Edited May 17, 2020 by Crazy Alex

[JensenZ]

57 minutes ago, farang51 said:

Actually, they are not. As TallGuyJohninBKK pointed out, most likely the numbers are too low.

 

Yes, people who die of something else may be counted as corona deaths - if they have tested positive. However, many more people may have died of the virus but have never been tested; thus, not counted as corona deaths. From earlier epidemics we know, that it is normal to have an undercount until we can see the real effect of the epidemic in the statistics months or years later. That's why Fauci and other experts talk about higher numbers.

Actually they are, because here we are only discussing the percentage of deaths in confirmed cases in Colorado.

 

Fauci is changing his numbers and ideas by the day, which is what we would expect as new stats come in. Of course he's under a lot of pressure to get it right as he's in the public spotlight and people trust him.

 

 

[JensenZ]

41 minutes ago, Susco said:

Dailymail and Foxnews as reliable sources

 

 

????????????????

Just as good and probably better than many others. Few unbiased media sources exist. Who would you suggest we trust?

[talahtnut]

15 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Feel free to pick a source that suits you then.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=colorado+changes+virus+death+count

Once you accepted the facts, we can continue on.

 

Or, if you prefer, you can prove these stories are false.

Well said Sir,

Media collaboration with government has

scared the hell out of everyone, people are

beginning to wise up to the propaganda.

If anyone thinks governments don't lie and

censor stuff that contradicts their lies,

they are fools.

If we are not allowed critical thinking, we

have tyranny.

[Pattaya46]

9 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

"The department now says 1,150 Coloradoans who died had COVID-19 but only 878 of those deaths were “due to” COVID-19."

I am curious to know how you got the 31% of your title from these values??

For me it's not even a 1/4 drop. (~24%)

[geriatrickid]

Another  deceitful and misleading post.

I do question as to why you continue to post intentionally misleading  claims.

You have taken one case and twisted it out of context to claim that colorado has been falsely attributing deaths to Covid 19.

 

 

Errors happen. It also happens the other way around too where people die of Covid 19 complications but the death is not attributed to Covid 19.

the charge against the   classification is coming form businesses who have a vested financial interest in minimizing the deaths: Long term care/Assisted Living /Nursing homes.

 

It is no secret that these business operations have been hit hard, with thousands of residents dying. Many died due to neglect caused by dehydration, malnutrition and general abandonment. The sector is facing considerable scrutiny and there are lawsuits being filed every week in respect to the  abuse of the residents. Workers were often poorly trained, not given appropriate PPE and forced to work at multiple residences, thereby spreading the infections. Workers who were ill, were forced to work or be terminated or see pay docked.

 

The care (sic) industry  is doing its utmost to minimize the attachment of Covid19 to the deaths because it does not wish to be held accountable.

 

Your attempt at manipulation isn't going to fool anyone with common sense.

 

 

 

 

[theonetrueaussie]

Actually Corona is amazing...It has completely cured all pneumonia and flu...the number of people that have died from these are virtually none lately and it has also cured suicide...yup you heard it no more suicide deaths as they were killed by covid instead....The real question is why are they inflating the numbers! Why are they censoring any doctor that speaks out about it...

[Relocated]

9 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Well, at least Colorado decided to get a conscience. Better late than never. Apparently, anyone who had the virus and died was counted as a COVID-19 death. So you could have died in a motorcycle accident. But if you had COVID-19, it was a COVID-19 death. Or, you could die of blood alcohol poisoning at .55% BAC and be counted as a COVID-19 death as happened to the poor soul described at the link below:

Reminds me of the statistics of WW II by one of historian. 

The average bullets consumed to kill one solider was said to be 50,000. 

So most soldiers was not in fear of flying bullets. 

But if we apply the same fear factor of COVID, I don't think any soldier will dare to go forward against coming bullets. 

[Tie Dye Samurai]

4 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Feel free to pick a source that suits you then.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=colorado+changes+virus+death+count

Once you accepted the facts, we can continue on.

 

Or, if you prefer, you can prove these stories are false.

You know...what Crazy Alex is trying to gloss over here is this....whether you died explicitly from Covid-19 or the virus just had a hand in some of the deaths...people still died and Covid had a hand in it. And it is very reasonable to assume that if some of these deaths were not totally covid related, it is just as valid to assume that there are people that died from it and never got that diagnosis because they never got to the hospital and are therefore not recorded as a covid death. So yes, one guy who obviously drank himself to death while he had Coivd-19 got recorded as a covid death....I am betting we could easily cancel him out statistically with a person who died from the virus as the explicit main cause and was never put on the books....Come on Alex, where is the rage and passion for the conspiracy of those people not getting diagnosed...and not being recorded and therefore "blocking the truth"? What about the people that are now voiceless, crying out for you to fly the flag of freedom and expose that part of the system's failures....maybe even in your beloved Colorado...dont the American people and the good people of Colorado deserve to know "the whole truth"....or just your little slice of it?

[ThailandRyan]

12 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

More crazy news above from one of the most reliable crazy news sources here...

 

How about the real news:

 

And the article goes on to explain other reasons why the current death stats are likely an undercount, but TVF policy prevents me from quoting a longer excerpt.

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/05/13/854873605/fauci-says-u-s-death-toll-is-likely-higher-other-covid-stats-need-adjusting-too

 

Having 100,000 plus dead Americans on his watch isn't going to look very good for Trump's re-election resume. So of course, there's now a concerted Republican/right-wing campaign underway to try to question and distort the death statistics.  It's not going to succeed.

 

Listen to the doctors, not the politicians.

 

Thanks for the info. The dailymail to me is like the National enguirer or the Sun. 

[UbonThani]

3 hours ago, theonetrueaussie said:

Actually Corona is amazing...It has completely cured all pneumonia and flu...the number of people that have died from these are virtually none lately and it has also cured suicide...yup you heard it no more suicide deaths as they were killed by covid instead....The real question is why are they inflating the numbers! Why are they censoring any doctor that speaks out about it...

they r trying to justify all the blunders

 

[Slip]

4 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

Another  deceitful and misleading post.

I do question as to why you continue to post intentionally misleading  claims.

You have taken one case and twisted it out of context to claim that colorado has been falsely attributing deaths to Covid 19.

 

 

Errors happen. It also happens the other way around too where people die of Covid 19 complications but the death is not attributed to Covid 19.

the charge against the   classification is coming form businesses who have a vested financial interest in minimizing the deaths: Long term care/Assisted Living /Nursing homes.

 

It is no secret that these business operations have been hit hard, with thousands of residents dying. Many died due to neglect caused by dehydration, malnutrition and general abandonment. The sector is facing considerable scrutiny and there are lawsuits being filed every week in respect to the  abuse of the residents. Workers were often poorly trained, not given appropriate PPE and forced to work at multiple residences, thereby spreading the infections. Workers who were ill, were forced to work or be terminated or see pay docked.

 

The care (sic) industry  is doing its utmost to minimize the attachment of Covid19 to the deaths because it does not wish to be held accountable.

 

Your attempt at manipulation isn't going to fool anyone with common sense.

 

 

 

 

Not only are his posts deceitful and misleading 9 times out of 10, but he is abusing the corona virus sub-forum to make politically partisan and propagandic posts on a regular basis because they would not be allowed in general topics. 

[Odysseus123]

50 minutes ago, Slip said:

Not only are his posts deceitful and misleading 9 times out of 10, but he is abusing the corona virus sub-forum to make politically partisan and propagandic posts on a regular basis because they would not be allowed in general topics. 

Amen to that brother..

Actually there were quite a few of them doing so for a while but-to employ a word often used by right wingers about people they deem less useful then themselves*-they have been "culled" thank goodness..

 

The word I use for their propaganda is "mendacious".

 

*Leads straight back to Social Darwinism and eugenics so popular from 1900 to 1945.

Edited May 17, 2020 by Odysseus123

[impulse]

Colorado changed from one statistically flawed method of counting Covid19 deaths to a different statistically flawed method of counting them, and the numbers went down? 

 

Big whoop.

 

What's more disturbing is to look at several overall death graphs and see the huge discrepancy between the number of deaths attributed to Covid and the variance from a normal year (seasonally adjusted)  Way more extra deaths than those officially attributed to Covid.

 

But even those numbers are subject to being manipulated to tell a story in an election year, juxtaposed on a mad scramble for federal Covid cash.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2020/04/27/covid-19-death-toll-undercounted

 

Edited May 17, 2020 by impulse

[Sharp]

15 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

More crazy news above from one of the most reliable crazy news sources here...

 

How about the real news:

 

And the article goes on to explain other reasons why the current death stats are likely an undercount, but TVF policy prevents me from quoting a longer excerpt.

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/05/13/854873605/fauci-says-u-s-death-toll-is-likely-higher-other-covid-stats-need-adjusting-too

 

Having 100,000 plus dead Americans on his watch isn't going to look very good for Trump's re-election resume. So of course, there's now a concerted Republican/right-wing campaign underway to try to question and distort the death statistics.  It's not going to succeed.

 

Listen to the doctors, not the politicians.

 

Fauci!!!!! 

You kidding right!?

[checkered flag]

3 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Thanks for the info. The dailymail to me is like the National enguirer or the Sun. 

In the US its CNN and MSNBC.

[Crazy Alex]

7 hours ago, Pattaya46 said:

I am curious to know how you got the 31% of your title from these values??

For me it's not even a 1/4 drop. (~24%)

Good catch. I reversed the numbers. The original count was 31% too high. The drop is 24%.

[Crazy Alex]

2 hours ago, impulse said:

Colorado changed from one statistically flawed method of counting Covid19 deaths to a different statistically flawed method of counting them, and the numbers went down? 

 

Big whoop.

 

What's more disturbing is to look at several overall death graphs and see the huge discrepancy between the number of deaths attributed to Covid and the variance from a normal year (seasonally adjusted)  Way more extra deaths than those officially attributed to Covid.

 

But even those numbers are subject to being manipulated to tell a story in an election year, juxtaposed on a mad scramble for federal Covid cash.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2020/04/27/covid-19-death-toll-undercounted

 

So are those deaths because of COVIC-19 or deaths from making other medical treatment lower priority or absent? Then of course we have to consider locking up people in their homes may be causing more deaths as well.

[Crazy Alex]

4 hours ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

You know...what Crazy Alex is trying to gloss over here is this....whether you died explicitly from Covid-19 or the virus just had a hand in some of the deaths...people still died and Covid had a hand in it. And it is very reasonable to assume that if some of these deaths were not totally covid related, it is just as valid to assume that there are people that died from it and never got that diagnosis because they never got to the hospital and are therefore not recorded as a covid death. So yes, one guy who obviously drank himself to death while he had Coivd-19 got recorded as a covid death....I am betting we could easily cancel him out statistically with a person who died from the virus as the explicit main cause and was never put on the books....Come on Alex, where is the rage and passion for the conspiracy of those people not getting diagnosed...and not being recorded and therefore "blocking the truth"? What about the people that are now voiceless, crying out for you to fly the flag of freedom and expose that part of the system's failures....maybe even in your beloved Colorado...dont the American people and the good people of Colorado deserve to know "the whole truth"....or just your little slice of it?

OK. So if a person died in a motorcycle accident but tested positive for the virus, that should still be counted as a COVID-19 death? I disagree... and with a chuckle. Why are so many people so desperate for the death toll to be as high as possible? Seems quite odd to me.