Trump says he is taking hydroxychloroquine as hedge against virus

[Pancho]

8 hours ago, bannork said:

Hopefully he'll be snorting one of the disinfectants soon. A couple of lines of Vim in the morning should keep his chest clean for a while.

 

6 hours ago, Walker88 said:

This is more likely:

 

1) 45 is lying, is not taking  it, but feels humiliated because he made a fool of himself and is covering for his painfully fragile ego, plus he couldn't care less if his goobers take it and they die

 

2) His doctor is just giving 45 sugar pills, but 45 doesn't know it

 

Of course, given his obesity and terrible cholesterol profile, he is a prime candidate for suffering the worst consequences of hydroxychloroquine, and Pence and other Administration folks see no real harm or loss in that possibility

ZZZZzzzzzzzzz.............

[bodga]

8 hours ago, bannork said:

Hopefully he'll be snorting one of the disinfectants soon. A couple of lines of Vim in the morning should keep his chest clean for a while.

He could  try  some OMO too!

[rabas]

New scientific publication.

 

German Researchers Propose Breathing Hydroxychloroquine to Prevent/Cure COVID-19

 

[Phoenix Rising]

'Fox News contributor Dr. Manny Alvarez calls Trump's announcement that he's taking hydroxychloroquine 'highly irresponsible''

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, rabas said:

New scientific publication.

 

German Researchers Propose Breathing Hydroxychloroquine to Prevent/Cure COVID-19

 

At last we get to the snorting bit.

[CaptRon2]

1 hour ago, Phoenix Rising said:

If you really believe he's one of the wealthiest men in the world It's very clear who is.

I would have to counter, if you really do not believe that it is crystal clear who is?

https://www.forbes.com/profile/donald-trump/#5777c8c047bd

[SometimezaGreatNotion]

6 minutes ago, rabas said:

New scientific publication.

 

German Researchers Propose Breathing Hydroxychloroquine to Prevent/Cure COVID-19

 

 

Uh, the only empirical data  in that "scientific" publication was the authors supposedly sniffing an unverified amount of aerosolized hydroxychloroquine.

 

Hypothesizing that it "might" help is not an empirical study.

[Eric Loh]

5 minutes ago, CaptRon2 said:

I would have to counter, if you really do not believe that it is crystal clear who is?

https://www.forbes.com/profile/donald-trump/#5777c8c047bd

Self-made he is not. ????

[CaptRon2]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

You're omitting the first 2 claims he made which I debunked. I'll leave the rest of his incorrect claims to someone else.

You agreeing with incorrect claims is ok, I'm used to it.

You debunked nothing, you merely made a statement and offered no credible evidence to support your statements and as far as I can tell you are are not an authority on the subject.

Even your once again witty closing comment is further evidence you have no clue as to what you are speaking about, facts mean nothing to you.

please state what incorrect claims I have agreed with? Just another untruthful statement from stevenl, the list continues to grow.

[Bluespunk]

26 minutes ago, rabas said:

New scientific publication.

 

German Researchers Propose Breathing Hydroxychloroquine to Prevent/Cure COVID-19

 

Lots of “mights”, “mays” “suggesting” and “potentially” there.
 

Not a great deal to disprove or counter the lancet conclusion. 

Edited May 19, 2020 by Bluespunk

[Berkshire]

33 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

I only point it out as an historical reference. I'm am a 1980's Democrat. You and others here are 2020 Democrats. In other words you're 2001 Republicans. It's all relative. What isn't is the move to the right by all of you; Democrats and Republicans alike. Fortunately for you you have people further to the right than youself to mock.

I wish someone could explain to me what the GOP stands for anymore.  It's certainly not:

 

Fiscal responsibility?  US is drowning in debt, yet "cut taxes and spend more on defense!"

Rule of Law?  According to Trump, he's above the law.

Family values?  Trump is twice divorced and a serial cheater.

Lower taxes?  Only for corporations and the wealthy.

Support for businesses?  Only big businesses

International trade?  Trump is the king of tariffs.

The environment?  Please.

Religious freedom?  Only Christianity.

Stay in power and amass wealth for your cronies?  Bingo.

[CaptRon2]

13 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Self-made he is not. ????

He turned millions into billions, have you ever come close to that? 

[SometimezaGreatNotion]

2 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

When I travelled to India in the early 1990s my Scottish doctor insisted I take chloroquine to avoid Malaria, 1 week before leaving, all the time there, and for 4 weeks on return. It made me feel absolutely Krapp. Next time I visited, a good local Indian doctor said "What the hell are you doing that for, you will seriously damage your liver".

Ditto 

During my stint as a Peace Corps volunteer in West Africa (1974-76), the U.S. government policy was for us to be on a continuous schedule of taking chloroquine to prevent malaria. This was somewhat controversial at the time - the British volunteers did not take anything until they had an onset of malaria.

Even with the chloroquine, I got malaria a couple of times and it was like an extremely painful flu. At one point, I got hepatitis A (food borne), and the doctor took me off the chloroquine because they said it is a stress on the liver, adding the hepatitis stress on the liver.

My opinion is that one has to weigh the risks. Humans are not very good at that. So it is irresponsible for a leader to promote any drug that has different risk profiles for different groups and individuals.

[Eric Loh]

1 minute ago, CaptRon2 said:

He turned millions into billions, have you ever come close to that? 

The millions was not even self-made. He received daddy money of at least $60 m ($413 m in 2018). In terms of return on investment, I did better with no daddy's money. Thank you for asking. 

[SometimezaGreatNotion]

10 minutes ago, CaptRon2 said:

He turned millions into billions, have you ever come close to that? 

Well, Putin's oligarch gangsters also turned millions into billions. And then helped Trump in his only profitable business of laundering Russian mob rubles into dollar investments in the United States.

 

Are we supposed to admire?

[tomazbodner]

7 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Of course, given his obesity and terrible cholesterol profile, he is a prime candidate for suffering the worst consequences of hydroxychloroquine, and Pence and other Administration folks see no real harm or loss in that possibility

Neither does Melania...

[candide]

8 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

The millions was not even self-made. He received daddy money of at least $60 m ($413 m in 2018). In terms of return on investment, I did better with no daddy's money. Thank you for asking. 

But Trump claims he started with only one million! ????

[Cory1848]

7 hours ago, Walker88 said:

This is more likely:

 

1) 45 is lying, is not taking  it, but feels humiliated because he made a fool of himself and is covering for his painfully fragile ego, plus he couldn't care less if his goobers take it and they die

 

2) His doctor is just giving 45 sugar pills, but 45 doesn't know it

 

Of course, given his obesity and terrible cholesterol profile, he is a prime candidate for suffering the worst consequences of hydroxychloroquine, and Pence and other Administration folks see no real harm or loss in that possibility

I think you're quite right; even if he himself thinks he's taking hydroxychloroquine, whoever is responsible for feeding him his meds is not stupid enough to actually give him this drug, so he's getting a placebo.

[ChouDoufu]

4 hours ago, GalaxyMan said:

Isn't that data from Donny Trump, Jr.? ????

the author of that article is being a bit deceitful with the numbers.

 

the title indicates the numbers are about "bleach poisonings" but the actual 38% increase is for "bleach exposures."  i can have a severe reaction after soaking my clothing in strong bleach through skin contact or fume inhalation, which we can assume some people were doing to kill germs on their clothing or food packaging.  that's an "exposure."  a small fraction of exposures could be due to swallowing tide pods, "poisoning."

 

additionally, trump did not recommend bleach.  he was talking about disinfectant.

 

now check the three graphs in the article:  bleach cases, hand sanitizer cases, and disinfectant cases.   anything interesting in the approximate time period after trump mentioned ...........disinfectant?

 

do read the text at the bottom of the graphs.  bleach and hand sanitizer cases were described as "exposure," whereas disinfectant cases were described as "ingestion."

 

note:  correlation does not imply causation

 

 

Edited May 19, 2020 by ChouDoufu

[ChouDoufu]

7 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

I think you're quite right; even if he himself thinks he's taking hydroxychloroquine, whoever is responsible for feeding him his meds is not stupid enough to actually give him this drug, so he's getting a placebo.

don't discount the possibility his doctor is a deep stater.

[SometimezaGreatNotion]

13 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

now check the three graphs in the article:  bleach cases, hand sanitizer cases, and disinfectant cases.   anything interesting in the approximate time period after trump mentioned...........disinfectant?

 

note:  correlation does not imply causation

But sometimes there is substantial evidence that there is a direction of causation in a correlation.

 

For example, voting for Trump in 2016 was correlated with lower educational achievement.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/

 

Two possible directions of causation could be:

1. Trump caused less educated people to vote for him.

2. Having lower educational level caused people to vote for Trump.

 

Edited May 19, 2020 by SometimezaGreatNotion

[EVENKEEL]

The US Gov still issues this malaria drug. Usually start taking a week before entering danger area and continue taking 30 days after leaving the infected area. The last time I was given this drug was in Djibouti. Never actually took pills.

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, rabas said:

New scientific publication.

 

German Researchers Propose Breathing Hydroxychloroquine to Prevent/Cure COVID-19

 

They don't say 'prevent', they say cure, and again, in the early onset of an infection.

[KhunFred]

Trump's main drug is Adderall, Abuse of that drug explains much of his behaviour.

[Opl]

in a few days Trump will say  he was being sarcastic, so why even bother, tomorrow is an other day 

[ChouDoufu]

25 minutes ago, SometimezaGreatNotion said:

But sometimes there is substantial evidence that there is a direction of causation in a correlation.

 

For example, voting for Trump in 2016 was correlated with lower educational achievement.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/

 

Two possible directions of causation could be:

1. Trump caused less educated people to vote for him.

2. Having lower educational level caused people to vote for Trump.

 

i'd question that source if i was you....????

 

"she improved on Obama’s margin of victory in these countries by almost 9 percentage points"

 

 

[Caldera]

This moron really makes me cringe. I don't mind that he's self medicating and potentially ruining his health, but to think that he's in charge of a pretty important government is plain scary.

[talahtnut]

The Royal Society London, a group of

the best scientist, motto, 'believe no-one's

word'.  Good advice considering our news

media. I have no doubt Trump has been,

advised by the best experts, so I assume

HCO is the best treatment, cost, about

$1.5.  I also assume Bill Gates, who has

invested 10 billion in a vaccine to make

200billion profit, will be eager to hide HCO

benefits from the sheeples.

The evidence is there, amid the distraction.

[stevenl]

14 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

i'd question that source if i was you....????

 

"she improved on Obama’s margin of victory in these countries by almost 9 percentage points"

 

 

I couldn't find that one, did find the mention of counties quite a few times.

[talahtnut]

The most dangerous drug/disease in the US

and the UK is the news media.