7 hours ago, Trillian said:

I would expect an increase in domestic tourism to compensate for some of that, as I recall that's valued at THB 260 bill. 

What increase in domestic tourism? all the unemployed and underemployed people? where would this increase come from? If anything there will be a huge decrease in domestic tourism even when they're allowed to go.

8 minutes ago, PingRoundTheWorld said:

What increase in domestic tourism? all the unemployed and underemployed people? where would this increase come from? If anything there will be a huge decrease in domestic tourism even when they're allowed to go.

Last year, Thai's spent 260 bill. on overseas travel. It's not unreasonable to think that some percentage of that spend will be diverted and spent on domestic travel this year.

8 hours ago, Blumpie said:

It's not just tourism - it's the manufacturing sector, et all.  Thailand is getting hammered from all ends, but the worst is tourism, which is 11 percent but experts have said it's 15 percent GDP not including 5 percent GDP spinoff.  

 

They are really trying to spin this story and get people not too worried.  There will be no tourism this year.  

I couldn't have put it better, 11% is so under valued, what about all the other business that rely on tourist number's, they said not long ago that tourisum accounts for 20% of GDP

2 hours ago, cerox said:

If I understand it correctly, 11% GDP is what the government cares about because here taxes are being paid.

 

The freelancers, people who do not pay taxes: I do not think the government has any interest in them so the official GDP sounds what is realistic and they care about. I know you will say people starve and have no livelihood - but still, the government has different priorities I think.

Yes , they don't see money flowing from hand to hand , but they certainly can guess . They do know how much foreign money is coming in , either from exchange or from ATM withdraws . If it is all counted in idk , but i guess it is since 11% GDP isn't nothing . Thailand has many other industries also .

1 hour ago, Soikhaonoiken said:

I couldn't have put it better, 11% is so under valued, what about all the other business that rely on tourist number's, they said not long ago that tourisum accounts for 20% of GDP

The press and media and largely to blame for this confusion, it was said for a long time that Tourism represented 20% of GDP until somebody pointed out that Tourism is an export and in fact accounts for 20% of all Exports, NOT 20% of GDP. So if you want to calculate the value of Tourism you first have to know the value of all Exports and then take 20% of that figure. 

 

GDP in 2019 was valued at USD 520 bill., exported goods in that year were worth USD 249.2 bill. and Tourism was valued at USD 62.3 bill. Those numbers make Tourism worth about 20% of Exports and Total Exports worth 60% of GDP. Sliced a different way, Tourism was worth 12% of GDP.

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/thailand/gdp

 

https://www.thaiwebsites.com/imports-exports.asp

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/thailand/international-tourism-receipts-percent-of-total-exports-wb-data.html

 

https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/thailand/tourism-revenue

3 hours ago, cerox said:

If I understand it correctly, 11% GDP is what the government cares about because here taxes are being paid.

 

The freelancers, people who do not pay taxes: I do not think the government has any interest in them so the official GDP sounds what is realistic and they care about. I know you will say people starve and have no livelihood - but still, the government has different priorities I think.

Girl gets money, girl buys mobile phone. shop pays tax on mobile phone. That's just one very plain example

 

1 hour ago, sezze said:

Yes , they don't see money flowing from hand to hand , but they certainly can guess . They do know how much foreign money is coming in , either from exchange or from ATM withdraws . If it is all counted in idk , but i guess it is since 11% GDP isn't nothing . Thailand has many other industries also .

Yes, I reckon a lot of their data comes from atm's and also card transactions.

I don't see how they can measure those who bring baht with them.

2 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:

Yes, I reckon a lot of their data comes from atm's and also card transactions.

I don't see how they can measure those who bring baht with them.

This is how TAT measures tourist spend in Thailand, it's the same system used by countries in the West to measure, unemployment, take census etc etc. The presentation below is from 2005 but useful because it explains the process which remains in use today:

 

https://unstats.un.org/unsd/tradeserv/Workshops/Madrid/IWTS_Item17(Thailand).pdf

4 hours ago, EricTh said:

11% of GDP?

 

I think it's more likely to be 40% of GDP judging by the long line of people waiting for their free food everyday.

 

I think the statistics department is getting the wrong figures because most Thai in the tourism industry don't report their full income to the government.

 

Taxis who don't use the meters, 'tips' for massage places etc.

 

 

Its all in he indoctrination that this Thai government has perfected, so much efficiently than all the previous..

 

That foreigners are the devil, and a neccessary kind of evil that Thais must tolerate to keep international face.

 

It will be interesting when the Thai people start asking the hard questions though.

 

They can hardly announce a large chunk of their problems is due to the fall in tourism, since they always taught Thais that foreigners are insignificant and contribute maybe 4 or 5% / GDP.

Its all their superior "best in the world" management and "Thai innovation".

lol

 

We already know the "dirty foriegner" is the cause of the virus and not the Chinese, 

So this might be a good occasion to take the usual tried and tested, well known spiel and tweak it a little...

 

"Its all the foreigners fault because they DIDN'T come to Thailand" 

Edited May 29, 20206 yr by pookondee

TAT PROMO:

April sets new record for tourist arrivals.

But i thought all us expats were only 90 day tourists ,what about us ,dont we count?

Come on, Thailand. Isn't it about time you set up a "GoFundMe" campaign? 

Wrong, there are lots of tourists who are still in Thailand. They did not leave in time, but they 

are not the yearly expats, they are not spouses of Thai women who chose to stay

in Thailand instead of their home countries. I even know one from Calgary. The airways

and buses and trains from other countries will have to start operating before any

outside tourists go back to Thailand, so this is a silly head line.

Good luck Thailand, especially TAT, as you cannot talk of millions of visitors

for a while yet.

Geezer

17 hours ago, JCP108 said:

Wonder how the numbers will look for May?

Nobody knows at the moment. We’ll wait and see ????

10 hours ago, Trillian said:

Last year, Thai's spent 260 bill. on overseas travel. It's not unreasonable to think that some percentage of that spend will be diverted and spent on domestic travel this year.

Last year, they had 260 bill to spend!  No way are things going back to normal this year imo.  

 

 

18 hours ago, JCP108 said:

Wonder how the numbers will look for May?

minus 000000

Have they checked this with TAT.?

38 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

Last year, they had 260 bill to spend!  No way are things going back to normal this year imo.  

 

 

Nobody is suggesting that will happen. All that is being said is that some of the money spent last year (THB 260 bill.) by native Thai people  on overseas travel will this year be spent on domestic holidays and that will partially offset the loss caused by having no foreign tourists.

Everyday there are at least 3 or 4 flights from China and many other Asian countries, also some flights from Europe. Surely all the passengers aren't Thais onboard these flights? Sample taken from flightradar website https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airports/bkk/arrivals

Probably the leading contender for Thai Visa totally pathetic pointless article of the year award.!

 

Borders closed therefore no tourists .............no sh@t Sherlock!

 

if clicks are needed for advertising revenue run a thread about the Thai Uni girls shockingly tight and short uniforms again ... include a few examples and watch the stampede ...........

Edited May 30, 20206 yr by sapson

No foreign tourists with borders and airports closed.....shocked!

if June will be closed that will be the situation in may and June

15 hours ago, Chelseafan said:

Girl gets money, girl buys mobile phone. shop pays tax on mobile phone. That's just one very plain example

 

sex stall in suk road sells viagra and lubes and vibrators to girl ,both of them pay no tax thats another example

On 5/29/2020 at 2:04 PM, Susco said:

I wonder who they were addressing then when they put up these signs today in Big C

 

315 baht?that's £8 for a bottle of disenfectant.

6 minutes ago, kingdong said:

315 baht?that's £8 for a bottle of disenfectant.

No, it's just 315 baht.....forget the 8 Pounds, that means nothing whatsoever here, except to you.

 

A plate of pad thai in a food court is 40 baht, that's just 40 baht, not one Pound.

Edited May 30, 20206 yr by Trillian

17 hours ago, sapson said:

Probably the leading contender for Thai Visa totally pathetic pointless article of the year award.!

 

Borders closed therefore no tourists .............no sh@t Sherlock!

 

if clicks are needed for advertising revenue run a thread about the Thai Uni girls shockingly tight and short uniforms again ... include a few examples and watch the stampede ...........

I'm all for that getting sick of this Corona nonsense 

April 2020 tourist arrivals are down by a staggering 99.92% Y-o-Y, but who are the 0.08%?

97,723 people arrived in Thailand in April, 63,426 Thais and 34,297 foreigners. 31,496 of the foreign arrivals are aircrews. They outnumber tourist by 1:11. Strange times we live in.

Of the foreigners only 2,758 were tourist, as below:

 

Malaysian = 2,412

Lao = 188

Chinese = 55

Indonesian = 31

Vietnam = 20

Philippines = 17

Japanese = 10

Cambodian = 8

Indian = 4

 

TAT over to you.

On 5/29/2020 at 6:39 PM, Blumpie said:

It's not just tourism - it's the manufacturing sector, et all.  Thailand is getting hammered from all ends, but the worst is tourism, which is 11 percent but experts have said it's 15 percent GDP not including 5 percent GDP spinoff.  

 

They are really trying to spin this story and get people not too worried.  There will be no tourism this year.  

January through March, there was tourism.  July through December there will be tourism.  Your statement about "no tourism this year" is false.  Economic fearmongers abound on this thread, don't feel bad, believe it or not the world survives with or without our "predictions"

I'd struggle to believe these numbers are much different to most other countries,

 

So as I've said before, you are going to need a serious rebound in domestic air travel before anyone is going to spend hours and hours on a plane to BKK.

 

Also for a lot of folks with this whole lockdown thing, have really been hurt financially, including the much vaunted Chinese tourists, who I'd wager haven't received a fraction of the financial support most Western countries have doled out.

 

So it's gonna take a while until things rebound, and I sincerely doubt it's in 2020

Edited May 31, 20206 yr by GinBoy2

7 hours ago, ChipButty said:

I'm all for that getting sick of this Corona nonsense 

Got to admit I am as well.

Even if I'm in the 'bracket' for it bumping me off it all seems to be getting a bit much.

 Try to keep the infection rate down by social distancing in eg restaurants, some counties 1 metre others 2 metres. Does the server throw the food onto the table from the required distance etc. ???? If you skip on the bill can they chase you but stay 2 metres away shouting stop thief.

This bug is never going to go away so how long is the 'long-haul' to keep your distance?

For me the whole total panic thing started when it kicked off in China and they, hospitals, had no idea what they were dealing with and how to deal with it. They just let people cram into the hospitals in their hundreds/thousands just like big incubators. OK, the last goes against my arguement for relaxing social distancing I know but the lockdowns were/are a bit heavy..

Should we just 19 run its course? Should we take the finger off the panic button?

Is there more to this virus that is still being kept quiet?

Just my disconnectd jottings and confusion over the whole thing.