Protests worldwide embrace Black Lives Matter movement

[canuckamuck]

4 hours ago, ravip said:

But it was the predominantly white European nations and the Americas, that ended the practice and raised the standard for the whole world.

 

What were the other nations thriving in the slave trade?

Different times in history had different nations that thrived, but always there were slaves. Think Romans and Egyptians, China, Mayans, etc... But that doesn't mean the lesser nations did not also run on slave labor. Most of the wars in Thailand, before there was a Thailand, were fought to gain forced laborers.

But only one culture ended the practice and forced the end of it worldwide. Amazingly, that is the only culture people blame for slavery.

Where is the outrage for the slavery that still exists?

 

[canuckamuck]

5 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Yeah, but only after taking about 12 million slaves from Africa and transporting them to the Americas under the most horrific circumstances, causing many of them to die on the way, and keeping the system of slavery intact for hundreds of years and making sh*tloads of money off of these slaves and all of their millions of descendants. There was even a civil war fought in the US because many in the south refused to abolish slavery. So if I were you I wouldn't toot my own horn too much.

The slaves were captured by Africans, and transported by the Portuguese, for the most part. America was not a superpower at the time. They did use slaves, but all countries had slaves at that time. It was normal. 

The difference is that Western culture realized that slavery was wrong and ended the practice. What other culture did that?  The horn can be tooted.

[DrTuner]

3 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

But only one culture ended the practice and forced the end of it worldwide. Amazingly, that is the only culture people blame for slavery.

Probably because the others disposed of their slaves. In hindsight, US should've recompd the slaves and shipped them right back.

[Sujo]

6 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Probably because the others disposed of their slaves. In hindsight, US should've recompd the slaves and shipped them right back.

Yes, how dare they make white people feel uncomfortable for slavery.

[sirineou]

6 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

US should've recompd the slaves and shipped them right back.

I don't know what "recompd " means so perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are saying. But returning slaves that have lived in the US for generations, probably did not even speak the language of the country they were kidnapped from, had no connection to the culture there, owned no property or had any way of earning a living,  probably did not even know what area their ancestors came from, would have being a greater evil than the one when they were kidnapped. 

[DrTuner]

1 minute ago, sirineou said:

I don't know what "recompd " means so perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are saying. But returning slaves that have lived in the US for generations, probably did not even speak the language of the country they were kidnapped from, had no connection to the culture there, owned no property or had any way of earning a living,  probably did not even know what area their ancestors came from, would have being a greater evil than the one when they were kidnapped. 

Recompensated was what I meant. Might have been evil, but the current problems would not exist. The other option would have been for the white man to leave and leave the slaves behind. That might happen now if the riots turn into something heavier.

[sirineou]

1 hour ago, DrTuner said:

Recompensated was what I meant. Might have been evil, but the current problems would not exist. The other option would have been for the white man to leave and leave the slaves behind. That might happen now if the riots turn into something heavier.

Sorry for my misunderstanding. but how does one re-compensate  someone for something like that. You cant return them back to their old lives, their old lives were destroyed. And as I said what do you do with the one's that were born in the US? 

What happened then. happened. We need to move forward. IMO what is happening in the US is Clientelism 

"a social order that depends upon relations of patronage; in particular, a political approach that emphasizes or exploits such relations. "

Those in power do not have any interest of resolving the situation, in fact they actively encourage it , because if they did they would lose the relationship (their clients) ,they have as their base.

On one side are the Democrats as protectors of the supposedly through no fault of their own   disenfranchised back population. On the other side the Republicans who will "wink wink" Make america Great Again. 

And your guys in Europe have no idea what they are talking about when they protest about conditions in the US. I invite any of them to spend one week as a cop in any of these neighborhoods and then come back and we can talk. 

   This thing will settle down, Black community leaders will complain why unemployment is higher among their constituents, after they burned down the stores where they worked. And complain why businesses will not locate in their communities. 

This thing is happening with frequent regularity. It started with Rodney King, and  has happened almost every year as long as I can remember.  

And in the mean time as the song goes

"Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right, here I am,
Stuck in the middle with you, "

Edited June 9, 2020 by sirineou

[sirineou]

5 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

Different times in history had different nations that thrived, but always there were slaves. Think Romans and Egyptians, China, Mayans, etc... But that doesn't mean the lesser nations did not also run on slave labor. Most of the wars in Thailand, before there was a Thailand, were fought to gain forced laborers.

But only one culture ended the practice and forced the end of it worldwide. Amazingly, that is the only culture people blame for slavery.

Where is the outrage for the slavery that still exists?

 

It is interesting that you would say that. Ancient Greeks were developing and experimenting with technological advances devises such as the Antikythera device , steam engines etc , and the question was asked why did they not develop these devise for anything more than curiosity and entertainment ? Why did they not make stem shovels, or locomotives?

The answer is. because slaves were a lot cheaper.When the local Tyrant was asked for funds to go and build a stem shovel that would do the work of ten man, he said " why don't I just go out and capture 20 slaves"?  Even in Democratic Athens there were slaves. 

It is insanity to judge past culture by contemporary standards. 

[bodga]

11 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Yeah, but only after taking about 12 million slaves from Africa and transporting them to the Americas under the most horrific circumstances, causing many of them to die on the way, and keeping the system of slavery intact for hundreds of years and making sh*tloads of money off of these slaves and all of their millions of descendants. There was even a civil war fought in the US because many in the south refused to abolish slavery. So if I were you I wouldn't toot my own horn too much.

Willingly  supplied by the locals in those African countries who ended up fighting each other  to  supply  them, yeah dont toot too  much about it though

[bodga]

31 minutes ago, sirineou said:

It is insanity to judge past culture by contemporary standards. 

Best quote of the day.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 6/8/2020 at 7:27 PM, sqwakvfr said:

Grant Napear,  announcer for the NBA’s Sacramento Kings, was asked about the protests by DeMarcus Cousins.  He replied “All Lives Matter”.  He had to resign because he has been accused of being a Closet Racist.  Jacob Fromm, rookie Quarterback for the Buffalo Bills, tweeted in 2019 the following about guns”. Make them so expensive so only Elite White People can buy them”(of course this is stupid). .  This comment has now been classified as Racist and he has been forced to apologize over and over again.  Welcome to the “New Normal”.  

 

Dreee Brees, Quarterback fo the New Orleans, was asked about the American Flag.  In essence he said he could not stand with anyone who would not stand and respect the flag. Brees and now his wife have been apologizing for the last few days.  

 

In America’s Pro Sports the option of expressing an opinion is now gone.  Just fall in line and play.

 

Just who is accusing those guys of being racist, and are they being threatened with sacking if they don't kowtow to the great insanity?

Is the media playing "gotcha" with prominent people and why don't people call those that do it out on it?

 

I'd like someone to accuse me of being racist so I can tell them to **** off.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, sirineou said:

And your guys in Europe have no idea what they are talking about when they protest about conditions in the US. I invite any of them to spend one week as a cop in any of these neighborhoods and then come back and we can talk. 

Well said. However it's pointless to ask the sort that are out protesting in other countries what they are protesting about as most, IMO, are just out because it's the chance to imagine they are important and the opportunity for a bit of aggro. I very much doubt they actually care about a man they never met and know little about. In their own countries there will be many examples of terrible things going on that they completely ignore.

[EVENKEEL]

[rvaviator]

6 hours ago, sirineou said:

I don't know what "recompd " means so perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are saying. But returning slaves that have lived in the US for generations, probably did not even speak the language of the country they were kidnapped from, had no connection to the culture there, owned no property or had any way of earning a living,  probably did not even know what area their ancestors came from, would have being a greater evil than the one when they were kidnapped. 

Was not Liberia 'set up' as a 'place to go back to' for blacks from US ?

[sirineou]

54 minutes ago, rvaviator said:

7 hours ago, sirineou said:

I don't know what "recompd " means so perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are saying. But returning slaves that have lived in the US for generations, probably did not even speak the language of the country they were kidnapped from, had no connection to the culture there, owned no property or had any way of earning a living,  probably did not even know what area their ancestors came from, would have being a greater evil than the one when they were kidnapped. 

Was not Liberia 'set up' as a 'place to go back to' for blacks from US ?

Yes that was one scheme. but that was not repatriation since most  were not from there, it was exile IMO. I don't have an opinion on the Liberia thing since I don't know enough, but obviously it did not work. 

I am of the opinion "you brake it, you buy it" but before we can do that we need to decide on what is broken.   

[EVENKEEL]

The old man who was pushed by cops has quite a history, guess things aren't always as they seem...…..

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/06/06/buffalo-officials-duped-by-professional-antifa-provocateur-arrest-and-charge-two-police-officers-righteous-police-team-stand-together-and-walk-out/

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

The old man who was pushed by cops has quite a history, guess things aren't always as they seem...…..

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/06/06/buffalo-officials-duped-by-professional-antifa-provocateur-arrest-and-charge-two-police-officers-righteous-police-team-stand-together-and-walk-out/

No surprise to me.

[Berkshire]

21 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

The old man who was pushed by cops has quite a history, guess things aren't always as they seem...…..

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/06/06/buffalo-officials-duped-by-professional-antifa-provocateur-arrest-and-charge-two-police-officers-righteous-police-team-stand-together-and-walk-out/

The Conservative Treehouse?  Another nutter conspiracy website.  Why do you guys read such nonsense?

 

[Out of all the blogs on the pro-Trump internet, The Conservative Treehouse might be the strangest and most underappreciated in terms of its influence.]

[Its zeal for the conspiratorial is so pronounced that even some of Donald Trump’s staunchest allies in right-wing media find the site’s devoted commenters and its pseudonymous operator, “Sundance,” bizarre. Talk radio host Mark Levin has called it a “kook site.” Former Breitbart reporter Lee Stranahan dubbed the site’s owner an “egocentric lunatic” with “cult-like followers.”]

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/meet-the-conservative-treehouse-the-blog-thats-ground-zero-for-insane-trump-sht

 

[CorpusChristie]

5 minutes ago, Saint Nick said:

He was a 75 year old man, who shuffled at them at snail- pace!

In your reality, he was a 24 year old ANTIFA- operative in an old mans- costume?

 

How much more vile can you get?

Uneblievable!

Who actually claimed that he was a 24 year old ?

[transam]

8 minutes ago, Saint Nick said:

 

Seriously?

Do you believe everything, that is thrown at you, to help you defend the indefensable?

The Conservative Treehouse?

Why not quote Alex Jones or Der Stuermer?

 

He was a 75 year old man, who shuffled at them at snail- pace!

In your reality, he was a 24 year old ANTIFA- operative in an old mans- costume?

 

How much more vile can you get?

Uneblievable!

I think your stance on stuff is unbelievable.......????

[transam]

1 minute ago, Saint Nick said:

He was pushed to the ground, in the video you can hear his skull hitting the road, he started bleeding from his ear immediately and is still in the ICU, days after he was pushed!

Yup...seems like a very cunning plan to me!

But Trump said, he was falling harder, than he was pushed!

What the hell does that even mean?

How do you "fall harder"?

And the batcrapcrazy report was on OANN...'nuf said, really!

Don't think you have watched the right video......????

Please read the injured blokes history too...

[evadgib]

2 hours ago, Saint Nick said:

 

Seriously?

Do you believe everything, that is thrown at you, to help you defend the indefensable?

The Conservative Treehouse?

Why not quote Alex Jones or Der Stuermer?

 

He was a 75 year old man, who shuffled at them at snail- pace!

In your reality, he was a 24 year old ANTIFA- operative in an old mans- costume?

 

How much more vile can you get?

Uneblievable!

How about attacking the content rather than the platform, and taking time to consider why nothing that goes against the grain @ MSM ever seems to get published there?

 

(It took me a while to get used to it too but i'm pleased to have got the hang of it these days. HTH)

Edited June 10, 2020 by evadgib

[EVENKEEL]

1 hour ago, Saint Nick said:

He was pushed to the ground, in the video you can hear his skull hitting the road, he started bleeding from his ear immediately and is still in the ICU, days after he was pushed!

Yup...seems like a very cunning plan to me!

But Trump said, he was falling harder, than he was pushed!

What the hell does that even mean?

How do you "fall harder"?

And the batcrapcrazy report was on OANN...'nuf said, really!

I'll bet you if blm had given the old man a little push we wouldn't be having this discussion. Maybe there should be an age limit for protestors so they don't get hurt.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, EVENKEEL said:

I'll bet you if blm had given the old man a little push we wouldn't be having this discussion. Maybe there should be an age limit for protestors so they don't get hurt.

Just a wee prompt back into the reality based universe for you.

 

It was a cop who pushed the guy over and it was cops who left him bleeding on the floor, BLM had no part in the assault.

[EVENKEEL]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Just a wee prompt back into the reality based universe for you.

 

It was a cop who pushed the guy over and it was cops who left him bleeding on the floor, BLM had no part in the assault.

This time read s l o w l y. 

 

I'll bet you if blm had given the old man a little push we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

This time read s l o w l y. 

 

I'll bet you if blm had given the old man a little push we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Yup, understood it the first time.

 

Unable to deal with the reality of what did happen, dream up an alternative set of events that better suit your bias.

 

[canuckamuck]

A man of advanced years, quite old enough to know not to stand in the way of a troupe of advancing riot police, who are mentally preparing to defend against violence, walks right up to them, blocks them and starts poking at their gun

belts. He got pushed away. He should have been tackled and handcuffed. but the police were still gearing up to face the crowd. 

Being the professional provocateur, the old antifa agent, folded like a professional footballer, and banged his head, (harder than he had hoped, I am sure). When he wakes up, he will be proud of his work though.

 

[metisdead]

Some off topic posts, inflammatory posts and the replies have been removed. 

[simple1]

8 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

Being the professional provocateur, the old antifa agent,

There is no evidence whatsoever the protester was a member of Antifa. However, yet again trump indulged in one of his favourite occupations, promoting far right misinformation conspiracy theories by retweeting their content. trump is a disgrace for the majority of the American people. trump has proven multiple times he is unfit to represent the Office of the President of the USA.

[EVENKEEL]

12 minutes ago, simple1 said:

There is no evidence whatsoever the protester was a member of Antifa. However, yet again trump indulged in one of his favourite occupations, promoting far right misinformation conspiracy theories by retweeting their content. trump is a disgrace for the majority of the American people. trump has proven multiple times he is unfit to represent the Office of the President of the USA.

This old man thing looked so staged. I wonder why someone was taping this old man as he was walking. Am I the only one who thinks this? Watch as he approaches the cops grabbing at their belts and one at his gun. He was asking for a response, as stated before he hit his head harder than anticipated. Good job old man.