London's statues from 'bygone' imperial past to be reviewed, mayor says

[metisdead]

Some off topic trolling posts and replies have been removed. 

[evadgib]

28 minutes ago, Bender Rodriguez said:

after africa was free of colonialism, what happend?  african "leaders" took over and the murders, corruption and stealing just went on (or worse)

Mugabe took Zimbabwe/Rhodesia from Africa's bread basket to Africa's basket case in just 5 years yet still spent the rest of his life blaming the British????

[transam]

The sooner Khan is thrown out of office the better. UK's statues are UK's history, not his Indian family ancestry history..????

[watso63]

It's Khan and his ilk that should be toppled.

[brewsterbudgen]

3 minutes ago, watso63 said:

It's Khan and his ilk that should be toppled.

I believe the London Mayoral election has been delayed due to Covid, but there will be a chance to topple him when it happens.  I very much doubt Londoners will vote in a Tory though, and Rory the independent has pulled out.  Londoners seem to quite like their Mayor, but then again they used to like Boris ????

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, watso63 said:

It's Khan and his ilk that should be toppled.

He was voted into office and he can be voted out of office.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

22 minutes ago, transam said:

The sooner Khan is thrown out of office the better. UK's statues are UK's history, not his Indian family ancestry history..????

Perhaps you should learn a bit more of the history of Britain in India.

[Emdog]

It's all a plot by Boris and his buddies: once old statues are gone, they could have their likenesses fill the spaces! Kidding... really

[Chomper Higgot]

59 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Because no matter that Britain was built on such things as colonialism and slavery, it's a far, far better place to live than the <deleted><deleted> places they come from. Funny that.

So you accept Britain was built on Colonialism and slavery and that something rather fine was built.

 

Do you think it possible that Colonialism and Slavery damaged the societies the British subjugated?

[transam]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps you should learn a bit more of the history of Britain in India.

Why...?

[CGW]

14 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m sure the UK can find better people to celebrate than slave traders.

They could start by eradicating the ongoing slave trade that still exists in more than one country in the Middle east, along with the atrocious human rights treatment of many people and lets not forget women's rights!

But this isn't about the "truth" it's manipulation of people while the truth is ignored.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So you accept Britain was built on Colonialism and slavery and that something rather fine was built.

 

Do you think it possible that Colonialism and Slavery damaged the societies the British subjugated?

Hard to find a country that doesn't have a past that's different to GB, tell me where you come from, so I can swot up......????

 

I reckon many countries would still be in the dark ages if it wasn't for the adventurous Europeans, but of course you think different, weeeell, you think different on most subjects...????

[Airbagwill]

It's not "historic cleansing" its learning from history.... and there are several on this thread who clearly don't know even the basics ...

Those who do not know history's mistakes are doomed to repeat them.

 

Bristol has for centuries tried to remove that statue.

 

philanthropist slave trade is an oxymoron.

 

 

[Airbagwill]

58 minutes ago, thaiflyer1 said:

Absolutely................lived in Rhodesia and Zambia for 5 years.....Rhodesia in 73 right when Ian Smith was being removed, look whats happened to the place now

 

South African white farmers being murdered everyday............the world doesnt give a flying <deleted>

 

 

How does this justify the continued presence of a statue glorifying slavery?

 

 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

It's not "historic cleansing" its learning from history.... and there are several on this thread who clearly don't know even the basics ...

Those who do not know history's mistakes are doomed to repeat them.

 

Bristol has for centuries tried to remove that statue.

 

 

 

 

By whom...?

[Orton Rd]

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps you should learn a bit more of the history of Britain in India.

Yes you might find it was not as bad as the anti Raj propaganda like to make out. The richest man in the world had nothing stolen or looted by the Brits and only lost his lands to the independent india in 1948

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_Osman_Ali_Khan

[CorpusChristie]

3 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

 

 

Bristol has for centuries tried to remove that statue.

 

 

 

 

What stopped them ?

[Airbagwill]

5 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

What stopped them ?

Don't be lazy read your history

 

Start with this.......

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2020/06/08/a-great-thread-for-anyone-in-two-minds-about-the-bristol-statue-toppling/?fbclid=IwAR146V_AKly595781-OoQP7gViUaKuxEm7GWN021wCzuRy2TdqCiI_oJf4c

 

 

Edited June 10, 2020 by Airbagwill

[Airbagwill]

7 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

Yes you might find it was not as bad as the anti Raj propaganda like to make out. The richest man in the world had nothing stolen or looted by the Brits and only lost his lands to the independent india in 1948

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_Osman_Ali_Khan

The fact you consider this to beavalid argument just shows how ill informed people can be and how bad they are at critical thinking.

[Rimmer]

Some off topic posts removed

[JonnyF]

12 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

How does this justify the continued presence of a statue glorifying slavery?

 

 

It doesn't glorify slavery. It simply acknowledges a man who built large parts of the city. The statue doesn't claim he was perfect or that his dealing in the slave trade was correct. Maybe we should knock down the docks where the slave boats landed, and all of the historic buildings that he paid to be built. Then we can burn all the books written or portraits painted of historic figures that weren't 100% virtuous (that's going to be a long list that our friends from the religion of peace might want to check).

 

Yeah, that'll solve it. 

[transam]

6 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

The fact you consider this to beavalid argument just shows how ill informed people can be and how bad they are at critical thinking.

I suppose your ancestors knew nothing about, were not involved, and protested about slavery at the time.....????

[Airbagwill]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

It doesn't glorify slavery. It simply acknowledges a man who built large parts of the city. The statue doesn't claim he was perfect or that his dealing in the slave trade was correct. Maybe we should knock down the docks where the slave boats landed, and all of the historic buildings that he paid to be built. Then we can burn all the books written or portraits painted of historic figures that weren't 100% virtuous (that's going to be a long list that our friends from the religion of peace might want to check).

 

Yeah, that'll solve it. 

What a silly answer.....look at what finally triggered it and learn your history....he was by many glorified as a philanthropist but even in his day he was criticised.

[baansgr]

39 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I believe the London Mayoral election has been delayed due to Covid, but there will be a chance to topple him when it happens.  I very much doubt Londoners will vote in a Tory though, and Rory the independent has pulled out.  Londoners seem to quite like their Mayor, but then again they used to like Boris ????

Could you please define a typical "Londoner" now...don't think there are many cockle sellers anymore

[Airbagwill]

1 minute ago, transam said:

I suppose your ancestors knew nothing about, were not involved, and protested about slavery at the time.....????

Again you fail to realise that is not an argument.

[Sydebolle]

How about the Londoner order a review of London mayor Sadiq Khan and possible removal. What does this little tawt think he is? When these statues went up, they were of (good or bad) relevance but formulate a part of the history of the place long before the Khans had a clue, where and what London (or any other place for that matter) is. And, if we are at that, slave trading goes back to Mesopotamia, long before London and was not a British but a Mesopotamian invention. 

Not a single person, family, nation, race or religion has an untainted past and hence all those reminders of the past have a place of importance in todays and tomorrows generations. 

Removing slave trader statues by dogooders is to remove something negative from the past. I - as non-British, non-German and non-Jew, hope that they will leave the holocaust memorials all over continental Europe in the present pristine and solemn dignity to make sure, that this part of the past is the definite PAST and not to be repeated. Having a statue of a slave trader does not automatically imply to restart the business. But that requires education and common sense and both seem to have gone through the window since ........ Until last week it was however no issue. Yes, black lives matter but dont forget, white lives matter likewise! 

[baansgr]

4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

It doesn't glorify slavery. It simply acknowledges a man who built large parts of the city. The statue doesn't claim he was perfect or that his dealing in the slave trade was correct. Maybe we should knock down the docks where the slave boats landed, and all of the historic buildings that he paid to be built. Then we can burn all the books written or portraits painted of historic figures that weren't 100% virtuous (that's going to be a long list that our friends from the religion of peace might want to check).

 

Yeah, that'll solve it. 

Don't worry, this is just the start..expect Cromwell Way to be name Lynford Christie Avenue, and Trafalgar Square Mugabe Cresent....we've had the likes of Mandela named being shoved down our throats for the past 30 years, considering that man's history I'm very offended as are many...but hey oh, it ain't PC.

[Pilotman]

Just now, Sydebolle said:

How about the Londoner order a review of London mayor Sadiq Khan and possible removal. What does this little tawt think he is? When these statues went up, they were of (good or bad) relevance but formulate a part of the history of the place long before the Khans had a clue, where and what London (or any other place for that matter) is. And, if we are at that, slave trading goes back to Mesopotamia, long before London and was not a British but a Mesopotamian invention. 

Not a single person, family, nation, race or religion has an untainted past and hence all those reminders of the past have a place of importance in todays and tomorrows generations. 

Removing slave trader statues by dogooders is to remove something negative from the past. I - as non-British, non-German and non-Jew, hope that they will leave the holocaust memorials all over continental Europe in the present pristine and solemn dignity to make sure, that this part of the past is the definite PAST and not to be repeated. Having a statue of a slave trader does not automatically imply to restart the business. But that requires education and common sense and both seem to have gone through the window since ........ Until last week it was however no issue. Yes, black lives matter but dont forget, white lives matter likewise! 

Khan was voted into the post of Major of a largely socialist/liberal Capital, that is not reflective of the rest of the UK.  London is almost a country outside of the UK and I for one have no time for the place, or most of the people who live there.  We have nothing much in common, as I keep telling my eldest daughter, who lives there and voted for the idiot.  I blame her Mother.  

[MartinL]

2 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

They already started renaming streets.

 

"Cochrane Street – named after Andrew Cochrane, an 18th-century tobacco lord – has been retitled Sheku Bayoh Street."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/06/glasgow-slaver-streets-renamed-by-anti-racist-campaigners

 

At least Diane Abbott street is pronounceable.

 

Silly me! There I was thinking this street was named after the ever-popular Cochran(e) Boiler, produced by a Scottish company.

[transam]

3 minutes ago, MartinL said:

 

Silly me! There I was thinking this street was named after the ever-popular Cochran(e) Boiler, produced by a Scottish company.

No, it was Eddie.........