3 minutes ago, transam said:

Proud, no, it was a practice from a long time ago that many countries practiced and was part of their history.

In the UK we used to hang people at cross roads and let the birds finish them off, you will probably see the tackle in historic museums, our history. Oh, you want all that stuff scrapped too....????

Plus, steal a loaf of bread, hung or off to Australia for you my lad.....Our history...

So why do you want to keep a statue that glorifies someone who made huge profits from slavery?

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

So why do you want to keep a statue that glorifies someone who made huge profits from slavery?

Blimey, so now you know about the finances of the past, and you still don't understand statues are a towns history from a bygone era... ????

1 minute ago, transam said:

Blimey, so now you know about the finances of the past, and you still don't understand statues are a towns history from a bygone era... ????

The fact he made huge amounts of money from slavery is not disputed by anyone. Why do you want to keep a statue which glorifies someone like that?

18 hours ago, stouricks said:

Queen Victoria knew all about the slave trade. Should her statue come down?

It's a YES from me, thumbs up ????

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

The fact he made huge amounts of money from slavery is not disputed by anyone. Why do you want to keep a statue which glorifies someone like that?

Oh well, obviously you have again missed my answer....Never mind....???? 

22 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Are you proud of the UK's history regarding the slave trade?

Definately, first to outlaw the trade in 1808 then patroled W Africa seas to stop it, then ended any slavery in the whole empire in 1833. Progressive British Empire.

1 minute ago, transam said:

Oh well, obviously you have again missed my answer....Never mind....???? 

OK so you are saying it should stay simply because it was already there?

What about the statues of Saddam Hussain? Hitler? Stalin? Do they need put back up to preserve the town or cities history where they were?

4 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

It's a YES from me, thumbs up ????

She had nothing to do with slavery and it had ended in the whole empire years before, she also had a close relationship with a Muslim servant she called the munchie who Edward 7th rightfully sent packing in 1901. So why should her statues be taken down, oh almost forgot she had a African princess as her godchild and paid for her education, sounds like a right racist then ????

17 hours ago, PJPom said:

we were mostly beneficial

.....a result of your twisted understanding of history. It's miles away from reality. It's not possible to have a clean-up in your heads but even for your young ones you try to hold the praising time of a great empire. That ends up with a Brexit. You old ones are not able to reflect your own history and will not give a chance for change for the young ones. ????

3 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

.....a result of your twisted understanding of history. It's miles away from reality. It's not possible to have a clean-up in your heads but even for your young ones you try to hold the praising time of a great empire. That ends up with a Brexit. You old ones are not able to reflect your own history and will not give a chance for change for the young ones. ????

Says somebody who thinks Q Victoria had responsiblity for slavery so her statues should be taken down, ignorance personified

Edited June 10, 20206 yr by Orton Rd

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Do I need to provide you links to modern slavery in the UK?

 

Well yes I probably do:

 

https://www.antislavery.org/slavery-today/slavery-uk/

I'm pleased you posted that. All of the reported cases in the UK were foreigners living in the UK with foreign slaves....Don't think you will find a case of ole whitey in Hertfordshire having a little black slave working for him.

1 minute ago, baansgr said:

I'm pleased you posted that. All of the reported cases in the UK were foreigners living in the UK with foreign slaves....Don't think you will find a case of ole whitey in Hertfordshire having a little black slave working for him.

Good grief no. He wouldn't want a black person in the house.

He would want a white slave.

5 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

.....a result of your twisted understanding of history. It's miles away from reality. It's not possible to have a clean-up in your heads but even for your young ones you try to hold the praising time of a great empire. That ends up with a Brexit. You old ones are not able to reflect your own history and will not give a chance for change for the young ones. ????

"Feeling guilty for things they didn't do, to appease the people who didn't experience the wrong".

 

There's a lot of very misguided misinformed and bored young people out there, defacing The Cenotaph and calling it a racist monument is inane, most of the the Commonwealth troops the Cenotaph serves to remember were not white! 

45 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

Churchill was also responsible for genocides in other countries under the old British Empire.

Which genocides, I'm interested to learn of that

7 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

Says somebody who thinks Q Victoria had responsiblity for slavery so her statues should be taken down, ignorance personified

We'll, you might call yourself arrogant if not able to admit reality? 

7 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

.....a result of your twisted understanding of history. It's miles away from reality. It's not possible to have a clean-up in your heads but even for your young ones you try to hold the praising time of a great empire. That ends up with a Brexit. You old ones are not able to reflect your own history and will not give a chance for change for the young ones. ????

May I ask the level of your education regarding economic history, I researched the subject and came to a rational conclusion that in some instances the long term benefits outweighed the short term losses.

I do not excuse the numerous wrongs but we live in a world shaped by events that happened centuries ago, some require change , others should be regarded as lessons.

3 minutes ago, Trillian said:

serves to remember were not white! 

Pressed unvoluntarily  into uniforms? 

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Good grief no. He wouldn't want a black person in the house.

He would want a white slave.

Deflective post again ...the point is....it's not ole whitey practicing slavery, it's other ethenticities..time "these people" start looking a bit closer to home

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Good grief no. He wouldn't want a black person in the house.

He would want a white slave.

Something for you to read, go get your hammer out.....

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-52978121

2 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

Pressed unvoluntarily  into uniforms? 

Pressed involuntarily into uniform.......only in your imagination was it so!

23 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

OK so you are saying it should stay simply because it was already there?

What about the statues of Saddam Hussain? Hitler? Stalin? Do they need put back up to preserve the town or cities history where they were?

Up to them...Not GB...

10 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

Churchill was also responsible for genocides in other countries under the old British Empire.

Who was responsible for the greatest genocide ever in which millions were murdered in the most barbaric ways imaginable in little more than 5 yrs because they did not meet the preferred Nazi racial profile .? 

 

Churchill was not perfect .. He was a product of the Victorian era where you served the Empire and were proud to do so .. It is reflective of the world we live in where the focus now falls on his earlier life and decisions made then rather than the one of him stepping upto the plate to take on one of the most evil individuals to walk this earth , whose army had the rest of Europe subjugated and were massing just the other side of the channel with Britain next .. What would have happened without Churchill having the balls to tell Herr Hitler what would happen to them if they dared try invading with the " fighting on the beaches " speech ..

Those were the darkest clouds over Europe with Britain left as the last free country .. It required quite exceptional leadership to lead us out of it without falling as the rest had and Churchill was that leader .. 

 

1 minute ago, transam said:

Something for you to read, go get your hammer out.....

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-52978121

Of course there are the same kind of statues and location names in Scotland. Its part of the UK remember? However I suspect they will not be around for much longer.

 

5 minutes ago, PJPom said:

May I ask the level of your education regarding economic history, I researched the subject and came to a rational conclusion that in some instances the long term benefits outweighed the short term losses.

I do not excuse the numerous wrongs but we live in a world shaped by events that happened centuries ago, some require change , others should be regarded as lessons.

I'm with you in an extent to learn from the past and avoid mistakes. 

There is no time again for hate or racism. And no time to glorify history 

7 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

We'll, you might call yourself arrogant if not able to admit reality? 

You ignore reality when pointed out, you called for Q Victoria's statues to be torn down for being responsible for slavery, when the trade ended years before she was even born, I call that ignroance.

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Up to them...Not GB...

Yes but surely the same criteria applies? Or does the history of other places not matter if they are not in the UK?

I think our country sinks beneath the yoke.

It weeps, it bleeds, and each new day a gash

Is added to her wound.

 

Keep your grubby hands off our heritage, Khan.

Edited June 10, 20206 yr by Krataiboy

“... every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” George Orwell, 1984

Here is an example and the reality of modern day slavery in UK.....can't blame this one on ole whitey....and you can bet your bottom dollar, guys like these will be the first to demonstrate and loot

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7570953/Number-British-slaves-soars-72-cent-2-100-year.html

Here's a bit more history...however guess it's just pearl before swine in some cases..... it seems facts are of no interest to the racist far right...

 

https://theconversation.com/edward-colston-statue-toppled-how-bristol-came-to-see-the-slave-trader-as-a-hero-and-philanthropist-140271?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=bylinefacebookbutton&fbclid=IwAR1Jqp1SwXb59J2eMuJo2BcldndY_QwAYGQfi-nE-duB8ZeRX8_juoK32Cc

 

PS have you noticed how racists are always arguing that something isn't racist??