Record spikes in new coronavirus cases, hospitalizations sweep parts of U.S.

[riclag]

22 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

My personal favorite is how Trump, after downplaying the impact and severity of the virus for two months, did an about-turn (together with his best buddy Hannity) at the end of March, suddenly and without batting an eye called it a pandemic and said he had called it a pandemic long before anyone else did. And not a single peep was heard from the MAGA-crowd about this 180.

I sure wish the dems and the msm would stop with the blaming. Your  discrediting  fauci

[J Town]

2 minutes ago, riclag said:

 

Nah ! Maybe the left doesn't want to see my country and the UK have a economic life again when it comes to recovery from the  virus ,that came from china . So, so bitter when they can't get their way ,when it comes to voting

Pathetic divisive rubbish! The "left" doesn't want to see ANY economic failure. That's pure drivel fired up from Trump rhetoric. If I wanted to bother, I could find dozens, probably hundreds, of video clips of Trump spewing exactly these kinds of lies. Show me ONE piece of evidence of a "left" who claims they want to see economic failure.

[J Town]

1 minute ago, riclag said:

I sure wish the dems and the msm would stop with the blaming. Your  discrediting  fauci

And what delusional reality are YOU living in? He ignored it, then denied it, then downplayed it, then turned around and said he was calling it a pandemic long before anyone else even knew it was a pandemic. C'mon, you can't really deny this, can you?!?

[earlinclaifornia]

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

Hey  earlinclaifornia

I have deleted my question to you, now please will you stop going back through this thread and pulling faces at all my posts , thanks

I didn't! So I wonder why you are saying that. I always will welcome any question posting with honesty

Edited June 15, 2020 by earlinclaifornia

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, J Town said:

Honestly, have you EVER seen a MAGA say "By gosh, you're right. He DOES lie!" ???

I've started sending them to the Phantom Zone of ignore list. They're a waste of time. It still boggles the mind how anyone can follow such a lying, deceitful idiot, they're all running willfully into a dictatorship. At least Ann Coulter has the honesty, the decency, to tell the truth and call Trump an out and out a liar.

 

 

I have seen on live interview both jim jordan and kayleigh mcenany state trump has never lied.

 

Selling their soul to the devil comes to mind.

[J Town]

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

I have seen on live interview both jim jordan and kayleigh mcenany state trump has never lied.

 

Selling their soul to the devil comes to mind.

I saw a video of Kayleigh saying that very thing. She also announced at her first briefing that she would never lie, and THAT was a lie, so she's starting off consistently as a liar. Almost makes you wish Sarah was back.

[Traubert]

4 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Do you know what a lie is ?

It is saying something that you know not to be true at the time of saying it 

If you say that you are going to do something in the future  that you fully intend to do , if you dont end up doing it , that wouldn't actually be a lie .

  

Desperate stuff.

[ChouDoufu]

4 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Do you know what a lie is ?

It is saying something that you know not to be true at the time of saying it 

If you say that you are going to do something in the future  that you fully intend to do , if you dont end up doing it , that wouldn't actually be a lie .

  

you're not wrong, here.  problem is we're dealing with an anti-intellectual narcissist.  he truly does believe he knows more better and gooder than anyone else.  he believes he can do no worng.

 

no matter what bat****-crazy stuff he spouts, he believes it at the time, so technically they aren't lies. 

[Sujo]

I think its a lot faster and much easier to post trump telling the truth.

[CorpusChristie]

6 minutes ago, Traubert said:

Desperate stuff.

Do offer an explanation of what a lie is then 

[J Town]

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

I think its a lot faster and much easier to post trump telling the truth.

REALLY short list. Here it is, all the truths he's told:

 

1.

[earlinclaifornia]

4 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

you're not wrong, here.  problem is we're dealing with an anti-intellectual narcissist.  he truly does believe he knows more better and gooder than anyone else.  he believes he can do no worng.

 

no matter what bat****-crazy stuff he spouts, he believes it at the time, so technically they aren't lies. 

That is a good explanation. In my world that is one delusional person. I prefer to call it lying and not wanting to call him delusional.

[riclag]

 

 

36 minutes ago, J Town said:

Pathetic divisive rubbish! The "left" doesn't want to see ANY economic failure. That's pure drivel fired up from Trump rhetoric. If I wanted to bother, I could find dozens, probably hundreds, of video clips of Trump spewing exactly these kinds of lies. Show me ONE piece of evidence of a "left" who claims they want to see economic failure.

Stop changing the words around

 

36 minutes ago, J Town said:

Nah ! Maybe the left doesn't want to see my country and the UK have a economic life again when it comes to recovery from the  virus ,that came from china . So, so bitter when they can't get their way ,when it comes to voting

 

Edited June 15, 2020 by riclag

[earlinclaifornia]

2 minutes ago, riclag said:

 

 

Stop changing the words around

 

 

Still I will wait for you posted proof .... tic toc

[J Town]

2 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Still I will wait for you posted proof .... tic toc

How typical. They follow the steps of their illustrious leader - deny, ignore, lie, deflect or obfuscate. In this case, "Stop changing the words around." But, those were the very words you just posted. HAHAHAHA! You can't make this stuff up!

[spidermike007]

5 hours ago, J Town said:

I've stopped engaging with Trump supporters. You can show them a mountain of evidence and they'll warp it or deny it. Best thing to do is VOTE HIM OUT!

Americans will be the most radioactive people on the planet for at least the next year or two, due to the massive failure to deal with Covid. Trump failure #3. First the FEMA disaster from Hurricane Maria. Then Covid. Now the response to the Floyd protests. A failing grade and a November defeat. Bye bye Don Donald.  Next!

 

 

Edited June 15, 2020 by spidermike007

[sirineou]

 We are in Florida, and when we go out we are some of the few people wearing face masks. We went to the farmers market and we were the only ones who wore face masks !!! No exaggeration , if we go again I will take a picture, we were the only ones wearing a face mask.!!! everyone was handling the produce, picking the best and putting the others back , after touching it and breathing their germs on it. . . Riots in the streets, wait a couple of weeks until the numbers from that come back. No keeping any distance, nothing!!!  These people are not going to all of the sudden gain intelligence, or concern for others 

I am afraid we will have to have the second wave. The Stock market realize it will happen. Dow lost over 6% last week,then gained about 1.6% (on bargain hunting)  7 am here, market opens 9:30 am I am watching futures  and DOW futures are 2.5% down an early indication where the market will go IMO, I will be surprised if the market does not lose another 2% today (I hope I am wrong) 

The US is in the grip of insanity.We have a president that from his actions tells people not to wear masks, and to look into Lysol!!  Clears the streets with the military so that he can go in front of a church and hold a Bible , high!!  so that we can all see what a good fearing man he is.

INSANITY!!!

Democrats are no better either, fanning the flames of insanity to increase their chances of regaining power. On one hand  they tell as to stay home to save lives, on the other to go out and protest to save lives. Black Lives Mater, only if taken by rogue police. But don't seem to matter very much if Covid 19 takes them. 

INSANITY!!!

   When this thing happened I did not want to come to Thailand in fear that we might be trapped there. A correct assumption at the time..  Now I wish I had been trapped there. 

 My house sits empty and I am reduced to watching it from the WiFi security video cameras. Our dogs sleep outside our front door waiting for us to come back. Thank god we have someone to take care of them, and watch the house. 

    

Edited June 15, 2020 by sirineou

[J Town]

Just now, spidermike007 said:

Yeah. It can be a painful and frustrating process. Up until 6 weeks ago, I would have said most are just not paying attention to current events, or to what he is saying. But considering the fact that he has lost a full 20% of his base in the past 6 weeks, many millions seem to be paying attention. Do not worry. 5 more months, and he is gone, baby gone. 

And up until about two weeks ago, I thought he had a better than average chance of re-election. Now, I sleep better know his poll numbers are eroding especially among his base. The bottom line, he's not an intelligent man and is under enormous pressure. His most recent acts are bringing to light most cringe-worthy behavior. 200+ tweets in a single day? Between that and his golf outings, when does he find time to do the president thing? If I were a betting man, I'd back your horse on this one - gone, baby gone.

[riclag]

45 minutes ago, J Town said:

And what delusional reality are YOU living in? He ignored it, then denied it, then downplayed it, then turned around and said he was calling it a pandemic long before anyone else even knew it was a pandemic. C'mon, you can't really deny this, can you?!?

Sure! I can, I told you before when you said it was a pending disaster in a previous post that a reasonable person would see the advice he was getting from fauci was what assured many Americans that The POTUS was listening  to fauci all the time.

He reference a pandemic in relation to over a hundred countries have felt the spread . To the downplaying ,he was being told by fauci the virus wasn't a major threat  to the US at the time. 

The precaution he took was to restrict Chinese from coming to my country.

It was reported by fauci that the POTUS always listens to his advise!

 

 

[J Town]

1 minute ago, riclag said:

Sure! I can, I told you before when you said it was a pending disaster in a previous post that a reasonable person would see the advice he was getting from fauci was what assured many Americans that The POTUS was listening  to fauci all the time.

He reference a pandemic in relation to over a hundred countries have felt the spread . To the downplaying ,he was being told by fauci the virus wasn't a major threat  to the US at the time. 

The precaution he took was to restrict Chinese from coming to my country.

It was reported by fauci that the POTUS always listens to his advise!

You really believe he listens to anyone other than the sycophants around the table kissing his burgeoning buttocks? Like I said, delusional.

[riclag]

25 minutes ago, J Town said:

How typical. They follow the steps of their illustrious leader - deny, ignore, lie, deflect or obfuscate. In this case, "Stop changing the words around." But, those were the very words you just posted. HAHAHAHA! You can't make this stuff up!

Stop your trolling and baiting I didn't say failure you did!

 

"Nah ! Maybe the left doesn't want to see my country and the UK have a economic life again when it comes to recovery from the  virus ,that came from china . So, so bitter when they can't get their way ,when it comes to voting"

[stevenl]

4 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Need to add :

 

something you say that you know is not true:

know or should know. Should is clearly the case here.

[ChouDoufu]

8 minutes ago, J Town said:

You really believe he listens to anyone other than the sycophants around the table kissing his burgeoning buttocks? Like I said, delusional.

 

fauci said trump listens to his advice.  he never, ever said trump understood or, nor that he followed it.

 

i can't imagine fauci recommending a diet of chloroqualamine, or the injecting of disinfectants.

[J Town]

8 minutes ago, riclag said:

Stop your trolling and baiting I didn't say failure you did!

"Nah ! Maybe the left doesn't want to see my country and the UK have a economic life again when it comes to recovery from the  virus ,that came from china . So, so bitter when they can't get their way ,when it comes to voting"

Deny, ignore, lie, deflect, obfuscate.

To say the left doesn't want to see economic life again is the same as saying they want failure. OK, let's calm your soul - show one case where the "left" has said they don't want to see economic life in "your" country.

 

 

Edited June 15, 2020 by J Town
grammar

[riclag]

1 minute ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

fauci said trump listens to his advice.  he never, ever said trump understood or, nor that he followed it.

 

i can't imagine fauci recommending a diet of chloroqualamine, or the injecting of disinfectants.

Your funny

[riclag]

Just now, J Town said:

Deny, ignore, lie, deflect, obfuscate.

To say the left doesn't want to see economic life again is the same as saying they wanting failure. OK, let's calm your soul - show one case where the "left" has said they don't want to see economic life in "your" country.

Stop it, I didn't choose your words,stop trolling me

[J Town]

1 minute ago, riclag said:

Stop it, I didn't choose your words,stop trolling me

I quoted the words you posted. I used the "Quote" button and it repeated the very words YOU posted. So one last time: show one case where the left has said they don't want to see economic life in your country. Again, copied and pasted from your post.

[sirineou]

1 hour ago, J Town said:

Pathetic divisive rubbish! The "left" doesn't want to see ANY economic failure. That's pure drivel fired up from Trump rhetoric. If I wanted to bother, I could find dozens, probably hundreds, of video clips of Trump spewing exactly these kinds of lies. Show me ONE piece of evidence of a "left" who claims they want to see economic failure.

I am sorry J but the truth needs to be told. You know me in this forum, No one is more progressive than me.

trump is an existential danger to the US and anyone replacing him, Democrat or Republican would be infinitely better.  

But the democrats are no angels also. They claim that Black Lives Matter. and claim to want to save them from the police. Yet they don't seem to care if they die from the Civid 19 these  riots and protests are sure to spread.

   They fan the flames, to increase their chances of regaining power.

What will a second wave of Covid 19 do to the economy ??? Last week the Dow lost close to 2000 points, today I will be surprised if it does not lose another 1.000 points. How many lives would be lost from a second wave? Could those protests and police reform wait a few months until we have a handle on Covid 19? 

Many questions , and the answers dont look very good for the democrats also IMO.

[earlinclaifornia]

14 minutes ago, riclag said:

Stop your trolling and baiting I didn't say failure you did!

 

"Nah ! Maybe the left doesn't want to see my country and the UK have a economic life again when it comes to recovery from the  virus ,that came from china . So, so bitter when they can't get their way ,when it comes to voting"

Repeating yourself makes it no more believable than the first posting. This is 2020 not 2016 and you seemed to have not learned. 

Americans are so much wiser and trump is toast and it is time to face today's reality. I'm still an Independent and blaming just the left is not working. Trump's support from us Independents is troubling for any possibility to get re-elected

[J Town]

1 minute ago, sirineou said:

I am sorry J but the truth needs to be told. You know me in this forum, No one is more progressive than me.

trump is an existential danger to the US and anyone replacing him, Democrat or Republican would be infinitely better.  

But the democrats are no angels also. They claim that Black Lives Matter. and claim to want to save them from the police. Yet they don't seem to care if they die from the Civid 19 these  riots and protests are sure to spread.

   They fan the flames, to increase their chances of regaining power.

What will a second wave of Covid 19 do to the economy ??? Last week the Dow lost close to 2000 points, today I will be surprised if it does not lose another 1.000 points. How many lives would be lost from a second wave? Could those protests and police reform wait a few months until we have a handle on Covid 19? 

Many questions , and the answers dont look very good for the democrats also IMO.

I sure wish to gawd everyone could dialog this way.

A big difference I see here is the Dems aren't egging anyone on to protest. I've seen many comments on how the protesters are using masks, but no Dem is saying "Go out and protest!" On the other hand, Trump has repeatedly put pressure on folks to get back to work against the advice of his top medical advisers. Anyone reading this should observe we have differing opinions but are discussing in a civil manner.