EU chief executive: no post-Brexit deal without 'level playing field'

[vinny41]

6 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

By whom?

Yes domestic made cars will be the same price but what if you want to buy a BMW 3 series. Or an Audi. Or a Volkswagen. Or a SEAT. Or a Fiat. Or a Ferrari? The list is endless.

so you make a choice pay 10% more for those cars or save the 10% and buy a british car 

[Logosone]

A British car?

 

I thought we bought Rolls Royce, Bentley and Mini?

 

And the Indians bought Jaguar?

 

The British make cars? Really?

[Loiner]

3 minutes ago, Logosone said:

A British car?

 

I thought we bought Rolls Royce, Bentley and Mini?

 

And the Indians bought Jaguar?

 

The British make cars? Really?

Those cars are still made here in the UK by British (predominantly) workers, so British. 

That's what its all about. Really.

[Rookiescot]

7 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

so you make a choice pay 10% more for those cars or save the 10% and buy a british car 

You are completely missing the point. EU car manufactures risk at worst 11.7% of their sales because of no deal.

The UK manufacturers risk 54% of their sales because of no deal.

Which manufacturers will survive ?

When UK manufacturers go belly up then your only option will be to buy the EU cars.

They will just be more expensive. Which YOU have to pay.

[Logosone]

3 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Those cars are still made here in the UK by British (predominantly) workers, so British. 

That's what its all about. Really.

Well, the designs and improvements are German though, by German designers. Those workers work under German supervision.

 

So it's not all about the British workers.

 

But I see what you mean.

[nauseus]

24 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

You just said that 82% isn’t made in the UK. 

That % will decrease if there is no deal and that's what the EU might have actually figured out.

[mlmcleod]

The UK will eventually figure out that it is in their best interests to get along with the EU.  The vast majority of their trade is with the EU.  Did the UK really think that they have so much clout that they can run roughshod over the EU?  I think they will soon find out that they will be marginalized.

 

 

[nauseus]

21 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

By whom?

Yes domestic made cars will be the same price but what if you want to buy a BMW 3 series. Or an Audi. Or a Volkswagen. Or a SEAT. Or a Fiat. Or a Ferrari? The list is endless.

The list will get much shorter.

[vinny41]

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

You are completely missing the point. EU car manufactures risk at worst 11.7% of their sales because of no deal.

The UK manufacturers risk 54% of their sales because of no deal.

Which manufacturers will survive ?

When UK manufacturers go belly up then your only option will be to buy the EU cars.

They will just be more expensive. Which YOU have to pay.

800,000 cars  vs 2.3 million cars , Where is the EU going to sell those 2.3 millions cars , if they lower the prices they will get screwed if there No China, No USA and NO UK that is going to be a huge problem for EU car manufactures

[nauseus]

5 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

You are completely missing the point. EU car manufactures risk at worst 11.7% of their sales because of no deal.

The UK manufacturers risk 54% of their sales because of no deal.

Which manufacturers will survive ?

When UK manufacturers go belly up then your only option will be to buy the EU cars.

They will just be more expensive. Which YOU have to pay.

Ask yourself this: how many EU cars do these percentages equate to and the same for how many UK cars?

[vinny41]

3 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Well, the designs and improvements are German though, by German designers. Those workers work under German supervision.

 

So it's not all about the British workers.

 

But I see what you mean.

Jaguar Landrover have their own design studio in Coventry so not all vehicles are designed by German designers , Italy also has famous design studios 

[nauseus]

4 minutes ago, mlmcleod said:

The UK will eventually figure out that it is in their best interests to get along with the EU.  The vast majority of their trade is with the EU.  Did the UK really think that they have so much clout that they can run roughshod over the EU?  I think they will soon find out that they will be marginalized.

 

 

Roughshod! ????

[kingdong]

24 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

So you finally come to terms with the contraction in the economy that Brexit is going to cause.

Well done.

No,what the corona pandemic is going to bring,try and get out and about a bit more o!d boy,there is life after brexit.

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

800,000 cars  vs 2.3 million cars , Where is the EU going to sell those 2.3 millions cars , if they lower the prices they will get screwed if there No China, No USA and NO UK that is going to be a huge problem for EU car manufactures

There wont be any UK car manufacturing. No company can withstand a loss of 50% of sales.

All the EU manufactures have to withstand is 6 months of a loss of 11%. Then step into the huge gap left by UK manufacturers.

But it will be OK. All those guys in the car manufacturing jobs can become fishermen. But who do they sell their catch to? The EU can get what it wants from Norway or Iceland or Ireland.

 

You are going to be sitting there wondering how you can afford a new car while eating fish for breakfast, lunch and dinner. After a few weeks I suspect that's going to get a bit monotonous. 

[kingdong]

52 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Sssh  secret  back room job.

Are you insinuating she's partial to one up the tradesmens entrance?

[Pattaya46]

38 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Would think with the depression that's in the post that buying a new car won,t be very high on many  people's agenda.

Covid will go. Customs tax will stay...

[vinny41]

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

There wont be any UK car manufacturing. No company can withstand a loss of 50% of sales.

All the EU manufactures have to withstand is 6 months of a loss of 11%. Then step into the huge gap left by UK manufacturers.

But it will be OK. All those guys in the car manufacturing jobs can become fishermen. But who do they sell their catch to? The EU can get what it wants from Norway or Iceland or Ireland.

 

You are going to be sitting there wondering how you can afford a new car while eating fish for breakfast, lunch and dinner. After a few weeks I suspect that's going to get a bit monotonous. 

You choose to quote in % because its a lower figure than 2.3 million cars  but I can tell you not selling 2.3 millions cars is something that none of the EU  car manufactures want to face up to, its estimated that over 1 millions jobs would go in just Germany only

[nauseus]

4 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Are you insinuating she's partial to one up the tradesmens entrance?

Never crossed my mind! I don't think she was in there anyway. 

[kingdong]

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

There wont be any UK car manufacturing. No company can withstand a loss of 50% of sales.

All the EU manufactures have to withstand is 6 months of a loss of 11%. Then step into the huge gap left by UK manufacturers.

But it will be OK. All those guys in the car manufacturing jobs can become fishermen. But who do they sell their catch to? The EU can get what it wants from Norway or Iceland or Ireland.

 

You are going to be sitting there wondering how you can afford a new car while eating fish for breakfast, lunch and dinner. After a few weeks I suspect that's going to get a bit monotonous. 

Just returned from Waitrose haddock was £18.95 a kilo,would be nice for people to be able to afford a bit of fish.

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

You choose to quote in % because its a lower figure than 2.3 million cars  but I can tell you not selling 2.3 millions cars is something that none of the EU  car manufactures want to face up to, its estimated that over 1 millions jobs would go in just Germany only

Yes it is a lot of metal. But its not over 50% of their sales. The EU car manufacturers can ride out the storm. The UK manufacturers will not.

Then who fills that void left in the UK?

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Just returned from Waitrose haddock was £18.95 a kilo,would be nice for people to be able to afford a bit of fish.

Yeah maybe you can get haddock down to 14 quid a kilo. Then you can have haddock for breakfast. Haddock for lunch and haddock for dinner.

I imagine sales in tartar sauce will go through the roof. Best buy some shares in that now if you can.

[Loiner]

20 minutes ago, nauseus said:

That % will decrease if there is no deal and that's what the EU might have actually figured out.

Well it looks even more like that will happen now. The EU have shot themselves in the foot. Or maybe the smaller countries have shot the Germans? It does not look like VDL will save them either.

A resolution calling for euro politicians to reject any free-trade agreement between the European Union and Britain if it doesn’t contain “robust level-playing field guarantees and a satisfactory agreement on fisheries” won a huge majority today. “The EU will not agree to a deal at any cost,” it adds. The report was backed by 572 MEPs, with just 34 rejections and 91 abstentions.

 

 

[izod10]

With a trade deficit of 73 billion pounds with the EU last year,its highly likely the UK are quids in profit with anything the EU can come up with,mind Bulgaria and other Baltic states could save the day for them ,might just work

[kingdong]

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Yeah maybe you can get haddock down to 14 quid a kilo. Thecn you can have haddock for breakfast. Haddock for lunch and haddock for dinner.

I imagine sales in tartar sauce will go through the roof. Best buy some shares in that now if you can.

Och aye the noo

Edited June 18, 2020 by kingdong

[vinny41]

5 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Yes it is a lot of metal. But its not over 50% of their sales. The EU car manufacturers can ride out the storm. The UK manufacturers will not.

Then who fills that void left in the UK?

As stated the EU  car manufacturers also to have to cope with falling sales to China, possible 25% tariff to USA 

So when you look at losing the 3 largest markets for cars The eu is looking at something in the region of 30-40% not just the 11% from the Uk

[izod10]

37 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

You are completely missing the point. EU car manufactures risk at worst 11.7% of their sales because of no deal.

The UK manufacturers risk 54% of their sales because of no deal.

Which manufacturers will survive ?

When UK manufacturers go belly up then your only option will be to buy the EU cars.

They will just be more expensive. Which YOU have to pay.

Or Jap  Honda pulling out of Spain,productivity awful

Edited June 18, 2020 by izod10

[Nigel Garvie]

12 hours ago, smedly said:

in other words you can leave but we own you and your fishing waters

 

never heard anything so ridiculous 

The English already sold around 60% of their quota to other - mainly EU countries. The venal super rich who held them thought they could invest better elsewhere. 

Here it is from one of your own:-

"I'm alarmed at how bad the level of foreign ownership really is - it far exceeds my worst expectations," said Paul Lines, from Fishing for Leave, a pro-Brexit group within the British fishing industry. If nothing's going to change, the whole Brexit scenario is a lie. If English fisherman don't benefit from this, it's been a pointless exercise for us."

 

Well you can't sell something to someone else and then demand it back without compensation, there are laws against that. Imagine if your neighbour sold you his car and then demanded it back a year later. 

 

As a specialist in the field from Glasgow Uni said.  

"There's a lack of clarity on the legal status of fishing rights," Dr Cardwell said, "meaning the government is very vulnerable to litigation if it tries to reallocate quota.

"Any foreign fishing companies that purchased UK quota in good faith would be very likely to sue if this was now taken away from them."

 

Why did this happen? Well we are a country obsessed with making a quick buck, - asset stripping, profit taking etc. The people who bought these quota rights in the 1990s were looking to the long term, as were the Scottish fishermen who largely held onto their rights. Turns out the fishing is much more profitable now. Shame for those who sold out for a fast buck. Attacking the EU for this is boringly predictable, but utterly pointless.

 

Aren't facts wonderful!

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/52420116 Please don't waste our time with the can't be true it comes from the lefty BBC bs. I checked a few sites, they all say the same.  

 

 

 

 

Edited June 18, 2020 by Nigel Garvie

[izod10]

1 minute ago, Nigel Garvie said:

The English already sold around 60% of their quota to other - mainly EU countries. The venal super rich who held them thought they could invest better elsewhere. 

Here it is from one of your own:-

"I'm alarmed at how bad the level of foreign ownership really is - it far exceeds my worst expectations," said Paul Lines, from Fishing for Leave, a pro-Brexit group within the British fishing industry. If nothing's going to change, the whole Brexit scenario is a lie. If English fisherman don't benefit from this, it's been a pointless exercise for us."

 

Well you can't sell something to someone else and then demand it back without compensation, there are laws against that. Imagine if your neighbour sold you his car and then demanded it back a year later. 

 

As a specialist in the field from Glasgow Uni said.  

"There's a lack of clarity on the legal status of fishing rights," Dr Cardwell said, "meaning the government is very vulnerable to litigation if it tries to reallocate quota.

"Any foreign fishing companies that purchased UK quota in good faith would be very likely to sue if this was now taken away from them."

 

Why did this happen? Well we are a country obsessed with making a quick buck, - asset stripping, profit taking etc. The people who bought these quota rights were looking to the long term, as were the Scottish fishermen who largely held onto their rights. Turns out the fishing is much more profitable now. Shame for those who sold out for a fast buck. Attacking the EU for this is boringly predictable, but utterly pointless.

 

Aren't facts wonderful!

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/52420116 Please don't waste our time with the can't be true it comes from the lefty BBC bs. I checked a few sites, they all say the same.  

 

 

 

 

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[Rookiescot]

11 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

As stated the EU  car manufacturers also to have to cope with falling sales to China, possible 25% tariff to USA 

So when you look at losing the 3 largest markets for cars The eu is looking at something in the region of 30-40% not just the 11% from the Uk

And the UK manufacturers are not facing the same issue?

[herfiehandbag]

12 hours ago, Phuketshrew said:

And who exactly elected this woman to head Europe ?

Umh, her mates..

You see, it was agreed that a German would get this job, whilst the French got the job of head of the European Central Bank.

 

All very democratic - level playing fields and all that.