Ahead of Trump rally, coronavirus cases surge in Oklahoma, other states

[johnpetersen]

53 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

You mean after David dorn or the police officer in Las Vegas, or the ones that were run over, or the hundreds of millions of dollars in destruction, or the fact that now businesses that served as the only option in the poorest areas will never come back? 

 

If you are dumb enough to blame covid deaths on the president, then all deaths from all viruses should be assigned blame on all previous Presidents, if you have any real objective reality left. 

If you are biased enough that you can't see how much more ably other political leaders dealt and are dealing with coronavirus than President Trump, you must be reporting from an alternate universe. The man can't even be bothered to wear masks much less promote the practice, despite the strong advice of his own task force. And he keeps repeating falsehoods. He claims that the reason there are more cases is that there is more testing. He doesn't seem capable of understanding that the positive rates for those being tested is rising sharply.  And his relegation of testing to the states is just nuts. Viruses don't respect state lines.

[Phoenix Rising]

3 hours ago, Chiphigh said:

Sorry, trying to make this point while basement Joe can't even complete a simple sentence is hilariously hypocritical. 

Is that the best comeback you're able to come up with??

Sorry, my bad. I forgot it's Trump you're defending.

[Phulublub]

13 hours ago, Phulublub said:

On 6/20/2020 at 7:14 PM, Crazy Alex said:

The mask isn't about safety. It's about compliance.

Perhaps you should contact the Vice President and let him know.

 

PH

Ooops...best make that VP Pence, and Mitch McConnell. 

 

PH

[OZinPattaya]

On 6/17/2020 at 9:37 PM, TopDeadSenter said:

Can you explain why Trump's upcoming rally is in a corona alarmist headline, yet 2 weeks of rioting, looting and mass gatherings by the left was never(that I saw) mentioned that it would be worsening corona?

 

 Rather than wait for an answer or diversion, this is why.

https://ktul.com/news/local/800000-people-reserve-tickets-for-president-trump-rally-campaign-manager-tweets

"More than 1 million ticket requests for Trump rally, campaign manager tweets"

 

 

No, they cannot explain, nor will they try, because it's patently absurd to do so. Thousands of people willy-nilly taking to the streets, with less than zero regard for Covid--but wait, that is different. Those are people with left-wing politics thumbing their nose at Covid restrictions. It's completely different when right-wing people do the same. Apparently, just like the "dirty falangs" in Thailand, your likelihood of communicating this illness is based on your race and political affiliation.

[candide]

9 minutes ago, OZinPattaya said:

No, they cannot explain, nor will they try, because it's patently absurd to do so. Thousands of people willy-nilly taking to the streets, with less than zero regard for Covid--but wait, that is different. Those are people with left-wing politics thumbing their nose at Covid restrictions. It's completely different when right-wing people do the same. Apparently, just like the "dirty falangs" in Thailand, your likelihood of communicating this illness is based on your race and political affiliation.

They don't need to explain because the post you replied to is fake news.

Plenty of articles in the MSM about risk of infection from protests, including in the (left wing ????) CNN!

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/01/health/protests-coronavirus-spread-concerns/index.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/04/health/cdc-protesters-tested-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/02/politics/surgeon-general-floyd-protests-coronavirus/index.html

 

 

[OZinPattaya]

2 hours ago, candide said:

They don't need to explain because the post you replied to is fake news.

Plenty of articles in the MSM about risk of infection from protests, including in the (left wing ????) CNN!

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/01/health/protests-coronavirus-spread-concerns/index.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/04/health/cdc-protesters-tested-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/02/politics/surgeon-general-floyd-protests-coronavirus/index.html

 

 

I stand corrected. CNN has reported that these protests are "causing concern." Not that they are actually, unequivocally, causing an actual Covid issue--no, they're causing a "concern." And this is your argument for objective journalism? Now, imagine if these same protestors had right-wing politics. Would their behavior be a matter of "concern"? I hardly think so. Somehow, I think they would use far stronger language.

[johnpetersen]

Another Democratic ploy to undermine Trump?

Jacksonville, host of Republican convention, mandates wearing masks

Jacksonville, Fla., which is hosting the celebratory parts of this summer’s Republican National Convention, did an about-face on Monday and mandated the wearing of masks in order to prevent the spread of coronavirus.

The municipal order – which goes into effect at 5 p.m. ET – is for indoor locations and “in other situations where individuals cannot socially distance.” Masks will not be required for most outdoor locations, anyone under 2 years of age or people with breathing problems.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-city-hosting-republican-convention-mandates-wearing-of-masks

[OZinPattaya]

On 7/1/2020 at 6:45 AM, johnpetersen said:

Another Democratic ploy to undermine Trump?

Jacksonville, host of Republican convention, mandates wearing masks

Jacksonville, Fla., which is hosting the celebratory parts of this summer’s Republican National Convention, did an about-face on Monday and mandated the wearing of masks in order to prevent the spread of coronavirus.

The municipal order – which goes into effect at 5 p.m. ET – is for indoor locations and “in other situations where individuals cannot socially distance.” Masks will not be required for most outdoor locations, anyone under 2 years of age or people with breathing problems.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-city-hosting-republican-convention-mandates-wearing-of-masks

You got to wonder where all this mask-wearing hysteria was when throngs upon throngs of ever-so-peaceful protestors were running amok on the streets. And still are, by the way. The difference is that people with left-wing politics are scientifically proven to be less contagious than those of right-wing politics.

[johnpetersen]

27 minutes ago, OZinPattaya said:

You got to wonder where all this mask-wearing hysteria was when throngs upon throngs of ever-so-peaceful protestors were running amok on the streets. And still are, by the way. The difference is that people with left-wing politics are scientifically proven to be less contagious than those of right-wing politics.

The thing is, those protestors don't have a boss. They're not part of the government. So, no hierarchy to enforce rules. Also, as recent research is showing, congregating indoors is roughly 20 times more dangerous than doing so indoors. And, unlike the crowds that support Trump,  at least lots of demonstrators wear masks. And among them, unlike among Trump supporters, there is no stigma associated with mask wearing.

What you really have to wonder about is why the President of the United States hasn't gotten 100% behind donning masks. Instead he went convention shopping to find a venue where masks wouldn't be required. Jacksonville government rolled over and played dead for him despite the fact that the majority of its citizens don't want the convention. But there comes a certain point when reality proves too prickly even for the fantasy bubble Trump has created.

[OZinPattaya]

On 7/1/2020 at 7:39 AM, johnpetersen said:

The thing is, those protestors don't have a boss. They're not part of the government. So, no hierarchy to enforce rules. Also, as recent research is showing, congregating indoors is roughly 20 times more dangerous than doing so indoors. And, unlike the crowds that support Trump,  at least lots of demonstrators wear masks. And among them, unlike among Trump supporters, there is no stigma associated with mask wearing.

What you really have to wonder about is why the President of the United States hasn't gotten 100% behind donning masks. Instead he went convention shopping to find a venue where masks wouldn't be required. Jacksonville government rolled over and played dead for him despite the fact that the majority of its citizens don't want the convention. But there comes a certain point when reality proves too prickly even for the fantasy bubble Trump has created.

If those protestors had a brain among them, they wouldn't need a boss. That's no excuse. These people tore down the statue of an abolitionist, for <deleted> sake.

 

So I guess rioting and looting on the streets is in fact the better option, Covid-wise. Because it's an open-air activity. That is one seriously demented logic.

 

Meanwhile, as the looters and rioters are frolicking in the streets, Joe Blow is banned from sitting down on a chair on the beach. He can stand, but can't sit. Sitting on the beach is against the law. Rioting however and destroying public and private property, with zero Covid awareness, is apparently the politic thing to do.

 

[johnpetersen]

On 7/1/2020 at 8:19 AM, OZinPattaya said:

If those protestors had a brain among them, they wouldn't need a boss. That's no excuse. These people tore down the statue of an abolitionist, for <deleted> sake.

 

So I guess rioting and looting on the streets is in fact the better option, Covid-wise. Because it's an open-air activity. That is one seriously demented logic.

 

Meanwhile, as the looters and rioters are frolicking in the streets, Joe Blow is banned from sitting down on a chair on the beach. He can stand, but can't sit. Sitting on the beach is against the law. Rioting however and destroying public and private property, with zero Covid awareness, is apparently the politic thing to do.

 

First of all, there are a huge number of demonstrations. I congratulate you and your fellow right wingers on your tenacity in characterizing them all, or most of them, as riots. The vast majority are peaceful.

And of course, you completely evade the issue of why President Trump is not strongly endorsing the use of masks. Instead he treats it as a matter of personal choice. Except when he's accusing someone of wearing a mask in order to make a political statement.

 

[OZinPattaya]

17 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

First of all, there are a huge number of demonstrations. I congratulate you and your fellow right wingers on your tenacity in characterizing them all, or most of them, as riots. The vast majority are peaceful.

And of course, you completely evade the issue of why President Trump is not strongly endorsing the use of masks. Instead he treats it as a matter of personal choice. Except when he's accusing someone of wearing a mask in order to make a political statement.

 

And your indisputable scientific evidence on the efficacy of mask-wearing is . . . where? All this begs the question as to why you mask-boosters say nothing, not a thing, when left-wing mobs start congregating in peaceful protest (and not a single mask among them!)

 

These people only have problems with those not wearing masks when it is the other political demographic not wearing the mask. How much more obvious can it be? The problem is obviously with the statistically negligible Trump campaign contingent not wearing masks--not with the hordes and mobs from the Left not wearing them. Apparently, those people are exempt from the same righteous indignation.

Edited July 1, 2020 by OZinPattaya

[johnpetersen]

57 minutes ago, OZinPattaya said:

And your indisputable scientific evidence on the efficacy of mask-wearing is . . . where? All this begs the question as to why you mask-boosters say nothing, not a thing, when left-wing mobs start congregating in peaceful protest (and not a single mask among them!)

 

These people only have problems with those not wearing masks when it is the other political demographic not wearing the mask. How much more obvious can it be? The problem is obviously with the statistically negligible Trump campaign contingent not wearing masks--not with the hordes and mobs from the Left not wearing them. Apparently, those people are exempt from the same righteous indignation.

Apart from the fact that there's been lots of research now into the efficacy of mask wearing and it's all coming up positive, the fact is that Trump's own task force strongly recommends mask wearing.

And it isn't just the "statistically neglible Trump campaign contingent not wearing masks" is it? It's all the crowds that turn out to greet him. It's the 6000 plus people in Oklahoma at the arena. The 3000 at the Arizona rally. And what's far more crucial, it's the fact the Trump supporters are far less likely to wear masks.

And once again, you inaccurately characterize the BLM demonstrators, This time as "hordes and mobs".

Edited July 1, 2020 by johnpetersen

[OZinPattaya]

2 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

Apart from the fact that there's been lots of research now into the efficacy of mask wearing and it's all coming up positive, the fact is that Trump's own task force strongly recommends mask wearing.

And it isn't just the "statistically neglible Trump campaign contingent not wearing masks" is it? It's all the crowds that turn out to greet him. It's the 6000 plus people in Oklahoma at the arena. The 3000 at the Arizona rally. And what's far more crucial, it's the fact the Trump supporters are far less likely to wear masks.

And once again, you inaccurately characterize the BLM demonstrators, This time as "hordes and mobs".

And once again, no mention of anyone left of center not wearing masks. It's only Trump and his supporters that are the problem. How many times do you need to reiterate your pathetic bias?

[johnpetersen]

5 minutes ago, OZinPattaya said:

And once again, no mention of anyone left of center not wearing masks. It's only Trump and his supporters that are the problem. How many times do you need to reiterate your pathetic bias?

First off, it is bad that some BLM demonstrators don't wear masks. But I look at images of the demonstrators and a lot are. Whereas at demonstrations supporting Trump almost none are. But both these groups are insignificant in number when compared to the general population. And there, Trump supporters, in their millions and millions, are far less likely to wear masks. You think if Trump strongly urged them to wear masks, they wouldn't respond?

[EVENKEEL]

1 hour ago, johnpetersen said:

First of all, there are a huge number of demonstrations. I congratulate you and your fellow right wingers on your tenacity in characterizing them all, or most of them, as riots. The vast majority are peaceful.

And of course, you completely evade the issue of why President Trump is not strongly endorsing the use of masks. Instead he treats it as a matter of personal choice. Except when he's accusing someone of wearing a mask in order to make political statement.

 

Anytime a right of center group gathers they are all racist and Nazis and hell bent on violence but left of center are peaceful except for a few bad apples.

[johnpetersen]

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Anytime a right of center group gathers they are all racist and Nazis and hell bent on violence but left of center are peaceful except for a few bad apples.

Another evidence-free assertion.

[candide]

8 hours ago, OZinPattaya said:

I stand corrected. CNN has reported that these protests are "causing concern." Not that they are actually, unequivocally, causing an actual Covid issue--no, they're causing a "concern." And this is your argument for objective journalism? Now, imagine if these same protestors had right-wing politics. Would their behavior be a matter of "concern"? I hardly think so. Somehow, I think they would use far stronger language.

If you had cared to open the link, you would have found out that the title of the article was "The protests are raising fears of a spike in coronavirus cases". It cannot be more explicit, right?

Edited July 1, 2020 by candide

[mikebike]

4 hours ago, OZinPattaya said:

And your indisputable scientific evidence on the efficacy of mask-wearing is . . . where?

Uhm...

[Phulublub]

4 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Anytime a right of center group gathers they are all racist and Nazis and hell bent on violence but left of center are peaceful except for a few bad apples.

They are?  Blimey, it's worse thn I thought.

 

Since you are, I suspect, closer in outlook to the racists and nazis, I will take your word for it.

 

PH

[Phulublub]

5 hours ago, OZinPattaya said:

And once again, no mention of anyone left of center not wearing masks. It's only Trump and his supporters that are the problem. How many times do you need to reiterate your pathetic bias?

How hard is it to understand a basic concept? 

 

TRUMP is the President.  He is the one they all look to.  He has a higher moral responsibility than any other individual to lead by example.

 

PH

[Jingthing]

On 7/1/2020 at 2:59 PM, Phulublub said:

How hard is it to understand a basic concept? 

 

TRUMP is the President.  He is the one they all look to.  He has a higher moral responsibility than any other individual to lead by example.

 

PH

Yes exactly.

BTW, SE Cupp is a conservative republican commentator.

[Crazy Alex]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Yes exactly.

BTW, SE Cupp is a conservative republican commentator.

SE Cupp is a deranged anti-Trump wacko.

[Jingthing]

Now a few weeks after the rally.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/herman-cain-who-attended-trumps-tulsa-rally-hospitalized-with-covid-19/2020/07/02/55daf86e-bc92-11ea-80b9-40ece9a701dc_story.html

 

 

Quote

Herman Cain, who attended Trump’s Tulsa rally, hospitalized with covid-19

 

 

To be clear, there is no way of knowing that Cain got infected at the rally, but he certainly could have.

 

 

[Crazy Alex]

Just now, Jingthing said:

Now a few weeks after the rally.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/herman-cain-who-attended-trumps-tulsa-rally-hospitalized-with-covid-19/2020/07/02/55daf86e-bc92-11ea-80b9-40ece9a701dc_story.html

 

 

 

 

To be clear, there is no way of knowing that Cain got infected at the rally, but he certainly could have.

 

 

Wow, someone got infected after going to a rally. Given the *experts* tell us the virus doesn't spread at riots but does at Trump rallies, your post is pretty laughable. Never wonder why rational people laugh at the *experts* and *scientists*.

[johnpetersen]

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

Wow, someone got infected after going to a rally. Given the *experts* tell us the virus doesn't spread at riots but does at Trump rallies, your post is pretty laughable. Never wonder why rational people laugh at the *experts* and *scientists*.

Irrational people such as epidemiologists have been doing studies that show  groups of people are about 20 times more likely to contract covid in a closed space than out of doors. Good thing to learn that rational people ignore data.

[johnpetersen]

 

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

Wow, someone got infected after going to a rally. Given the *experts* tell us the virus doesn't spread at riots but does at Trump rallies, your post is pretty laughable. Never wonder why rational people laugh at the *experts* and *scientists*.

Are these the same rational people who laughed at the wearing of masks in public venues?

If so, I have some very sad news for them. In the face of a very sharp spike in hospitalizations due to covid-19, the irrational Marxist governor of Texas has made mask-wearing mandatory for the vast majority of Texans. In so doing, he followed the advice of irrational and laughable epidemiologists. Not so long ago, the previous rational right-wing Republican governor of actually forbade localities from making mask-wearing mandatory. Oddly enough both the irrational Marxist governor and his predecessor, the rational right wing governor,  share the same name: Greg Abbott.

 

Abbott issues statewide face covering requirement for Texans

 

Gov. Greg Abbott issued a statewide face covering requirement on Thursday as the coronavirus outbreak continued to worsen in Texas.

"Governor Greg Abbott today issued an Executive Order requiring all Texans to wear a face covering over the nose and mouth in public spaces in counties with 20 or more positive COVID-19 cases, with few exceptions," the order read.

https://www.fox4news.com/news/abbott-issues-statewide-face-covering-requirement-for-texans

[Phulublub]

On 6/30/2020 at 7:30 PM, Phulublub said:

On 6/30/2020 at 5:43 AM, Phulublub said:

On 6/20/2020 at 7:14 PM, Crazy Alex said:

The mask isn't about safety. It's about compliance.

Perhaps you should contact the Vice President and let him know.

 

PH

Ooops...best make that VP Pence, and Mitch McConnell. 

 

PH

Ph dear.  Now even Trump says you should wear a mask.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53258792

 

Where are the anti-maskers going tolook to next?  Xi?  Un?  Bolsenaro?

 

The list of disctators you can follow grows shorter by the day.

 

PH

[Phulublub]

4 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Wow, someone got infected after going to a rally. Given the *experts* tell us the virus doesn't spread at riots but does at Trump rallies, your post is pretty laughable. Never wonder why rational people laugh at the *experts* and *scientists*.

Clearly I am reading and listening to the wrong channels for my information as I have never seen or heard a single expert saying that the virus "does not spread at rallies but does at Trump rallies".  Can you supply a link to one.  Just one.  Please.

 

PH

Edited July 3, 2020 by Phulublub
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[EVENKEEL]

2 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Clearly I am reading and listening to thew wrong channels for my information as I have never seen or heard a single expert saying that the virus "does not spread at rallies but does at Trump rallies".  Can you supply a link to one.  Just one.  Please.

 

PH

Difference is virus spread at Trump rally will be news for a week whereas  virus spread at mass protests will never make the news.