UK ready to quit EU on 'Australia terms' if no Brexit deal, Johnson says

[hotandsticky]

4 minutes ago, tebee said:

a stonking minority....

 

 

a stonking minority.............................. is as valid as a bl00dy huge minority.

 

 

A win is a win.......................... you still haven't moved on have you tebee?

[bannork]

3 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

a stonking minority.............................. is as valid as a bl00dy huge minority.

 

 

A win is a win.......................... you still haven't moved on have you tebee?

Didn't Boris promise an over ready deal, based on an accord with the EU.

What happened to that?

[tomacht8]

1 minute ago, bannork said:

Didn't Boris promise an over ready deal, based on an accord with the EU.

What happened to that?

The oven ready deal never existed. It was just a red - bus - 2 - campaign - roar -placebo for the stupid crowd. 

[7by7]

22 hours ago, kingdong said:

funny 10 years ago all the employers in uk wanted out the eu because of too many employers rights

I'm going to assume that by " too many employers rights" you mean "too many employees rights."

 

If so, are you saying that you are against employees having rights? Which rights do you consider 'too many?'

 

22 hours ago, kingdong said:

,fast foreward to the zero hour contracts,bogus self enjoyment contracts and glut of cheap labour due to freedom of movement and the eus the best thing since sliced bread,whats the eu done about workers being exploited by the zero hour cntract and so called self employment?sweet fa,if you haven,t noticed,slavery is supposed to be illegal now,so spare us your bogus concerns about workers rights.

The EU has taken measures to restrict zero hours contracts etc.: EU law fixes minimum rights for 'gig economy' workers. Prior to this, such contracts were illegal in most EU members anyway! Zero hours contracts: is the UK "the odd one out"?

 

 

But you have contradicted yourself; first you say there are too many employee rights, then you say there are not enough! 

 

Not all EU immigrants have taken cheap labour jobs from native Brits. Indeed, many fill jobs Brits don't want. Remember the special flights in March and April bringing in EU fruit and vegetable pickers during the pandemic because Brits didn't want to do it: 

• British workers reject fruit-picking jobs as Romanians flown in.  
• 0.2% of the 50,000 UK workers who said they'd replace Eastern European fruit pickers actually showed up

Of course, concerns over migrant labour in agriculture arose before the pandemic; Brits don’t want to work on farms – so who will pick fruit after Brexit?

 

But it isn't just seasonal workers in agriculture who do the jobs Brits don't want; many non skilled workers in the NHS and care homes are EU nationals or other immigrants.

 

The construction industry is the one in which the effect of EU workers is most often raised by Brexiteers. But why are so many building workers EU nationals? Well, they're not. The latest ONS figures (2018) show that the vast majority of workers in the construction industry are UK born. 

 

Brexit is considered a problem by many in the industry, but the reasons for using EU migrant labour go back many years: The impact of EU migrants in the UK construction industry

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only a fifth of those surveyed saw Brexit as the biggest problem, suggesting that skills shortages have been in existence for numerous years. This finding is supported by The MacFarlane who reports that 68% of construction SME’s are struggling to hire bricklayers, and 63% are struggling to hire carpenters and joiners, which have increased more than 10% in Q4 2017. The skills’ problem is an issue the sector has been facing for some time.

Can you explain why, if EU workers have been 'stealing' British jobs, there have been these shortages? 

 

 

[luckyluke]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Hop you get your full pension next month.

There is no doubt about that at all.

Now will we still get an increase next year, as we usually do, I can't guarantee you this.

[7by7]

9 hours ago, evadgib said:

The one in the RSM's office????

So you admit Cummings is in charge and Boris is just a poor squaddie marching to his instructions?

 

How about a comment on the Tories opinion of Farage?

 

How about a comment on the British public's contempt for Farage as indicated by his party's abysmal performance last December?

 

Only 2% of the vote, no seats and 165 lost deposits! 

 

He may have done well in the meaningless European elections when his party polled 31.6% vote share, most of which came from UKIP (source). But when it mattered, the British public told him where to shove it.

 

 

[7by7]

7 hours ago, nauseus said:

The 1974 Health and Safety at Work Act was entirely a result of the Committee on Health and Safety at Work, appointed in May 1970 by Barbara Castle and led by Lord Robens. The Committee reported in June 1972 and its recommendations, generally, formed the basis of the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974. It was nothing to do with the EEC/EU, which took decades to "catch up" with health and safety legislation.

 

Of course it happened without EU membership. I don't live in holes but i can see you at the bottom of a nonsense one with very slippery sides!

 

 As said, I never denied that the 1974 Health and Safety Act came before EU or EEC membership. But it has had several amendments via Statutory Instruments since which have incorporated EU law.

 

Last time of asking; what you consider the 'nasty bits' of EU law that you would do away with?

[evadgib]

7 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

So you admit Cummings is in charge and Boris is just a poor squaddie marching to his instructions?

 

How about a comment on the Tories opinion of Farage?

 

How about a comment on the British public's contempt for Farage as indicated by his party's abysmal performance last December?

 

Only 2% of the vote, no seats and 165 lost deposits! 

 

He may have done well in the meaningless European elections when his party polled 31.6% vote share, most of which came from UKIP (source). But when it mattered, the British public told him where to shove it.

An RSM isn't in charge 49 but as you don't do banter the point once again evaded you.

[7by7]

4 hours ago, Loiner said:

On 7/19/2020 at 11:41 AM, 7by7 said:

 Farage certainly would love it. It would mean he could carry on collecting his salary and expenses while not turning up; just as he did while and MEP.

I don't mind him taking every last cent out of the EU. While ever he's getting it, there's an EU subsidy scrounger not getting anymore of our contribution.

 

If the absurd Farage were to be employed in Number 10 alongside Cummings his salary would be paid by me and every other British taxpayer!

 

As will his MEP transition allowance of £152,000 and his substantial MEP pension. Both of which, like those of all British MEPs, will be used in calculating the UK's final payment to the EU!

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

Reminds me of another adage.

 

How do you recognise a Brexiteer in a bar?

You don't. He will tell you.

remainer walks into a bar,the barman says what do you want?,he says bitter,barman says i know you are you mug,now what do you want to drink?

[7by7]

4 hours ago, Loiner said:

You've no idea what my, or the pensions and visa requirements are of any Brexiteers

I do know what the various Thai visa requirements are and how much income and/or savings is needed to meet them. 

 

I do know that if relying on income from the UK then that income is affected by the Sterling/Baht exchange rate; a rate which will plummet if there is no deal.

 

It wasn't Remainers who fell for the £350million lie; it was Brexiteers!

 

The rest of your post is merely more of the same tired excuses you always produce for not presenting any facts to support your view, together with you yet again saying that 53% is smaller than 47%!

[7by7]

3 hours ago, vogie said:

4 hours ago, tebee said:

Even the Government's new ad campaign can't find any advantages to brexit.

 

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-07-12/uks-new-start-lets-get-going-brexit-information-campaign-warns-holidaymakers-of-travel-changes

 

 

The electorate voted to leave and not the government, bravo the government for carrying out our wishes, that's how democracy works.

You Brexiteers keep on telling us how wonderful the current government is; how their negotiating skills will get us a wonderful deal which will guarantee our future prosperity for generations to come. 

 

For the last four years you have all been telling us that predictions of post Brexit difficulties are just Project Fear.

 

Now, when the government of the Brexiteer's hero, Boris Johnson, admits to the post Brexit difficulties we were warned about, the best you can come up with is the above!

[7by7]

3 hours ago, transam said:

3 hours ago, Sujo said:

What benefits will you get from brexit?

You're struggling.....

 You, @Loiner and others have repeatedly refused to answer this simple question.

 

It is you who are struggling.

[nauseus]

47 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

There is no doubt about that at all.

Now will we still get an increase next year, as we usually do, I can't guarantee you this.

Famous last words.

[kingdong]

46 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

I'm going to assume that by " too many employers rights" you mean "too many employees rights."

 

If so, are you saying that you are against employees having rights? Which rights do you consider 'too many?'

 

The EU has taken measures to restrict zero hours contracts etc.: EU law fixes minimum rights for 'gig economy' workers. Prior to this, such contracts were illegal in most EU members anyway! Zero hours contracts: is the UK "the odd one out"?

 

 

But you have contradicted yourself; first you say there are too many employee rights, then you say there are not enough! 

 

Not all EU immigrants have taken cheap labour jobs from native Brits. Indeed, many fill jobs Brits don't want. Remember the special flights in March and April bringing in EU fruit and vegetable pickers during the pandemic because Brits didn't want to do it: 

• British workers reject fruit-picking jobs as Romanians flown in.  
• 0.2% of the 50,000 UK workers who said they'd replace Eastern European fruit pickers actually showed up

Of course, concerns over migrant labour in agriculture arose before the pandemic; Brits don’t want to work on farms – so who will pick fruit after Brexit?

 

But it isn't just seasonal workers in agriculture who do the jobs Brits don't want; many non skilled workers in the NHS and care homes are EU nationals or other immigrants.

 

The construction industry is the one in which the effect of EU workers is most often raised by Brexiteers. But why are so many building workers EU nationals? Well, they're not. The latest ONS figures (2018) show that the vast majority of workers in the construction industry are UK born. 

 

Brexit is considered a problem by many in the industry, but the reasons for using EU migrant labour go back many years: The impact of EU migrants in the UK construction industry

Can you explain why, if EU workers have been 'stealing' British jobs, there have been these shortages? 

 

 

all your post has done is underline what is fundamentally wrong with benefits britain,british workers don,t want to pick fruit,then stop their benefits then.and what mileage you got from me putting a letter wrong "employer" instead of  employee,still all academic,we,re leaving and all the whingeing in the world isn,t going to stop it

[vogie]

2 hours ago, tebee said:

Once again no it's not.

 

We appoint politicians to take care of us. The electorate can not be expected to comprehend all of the ramifications of brexit. Once we had decided to leave they should have looked for a course that will produce as little damage to the populus as a whole, rather than going for the most extreme version possible. We only voted to leave, not to leave and make sure we shoot ourselves in both feet on the way out.   

Once again yes it is.

 

We appoint politicians on a mandate, and the mandate was to leave the EU, every party agreed to that mandate, unfortunately some parties changed their minds, luckely for us the Tories were honest enough to carry out the wish of the British people, those that didn't paid a very hefty price. It would seem that a divided parliament didn't understand the ramifications with all the skullduggery that was going on at the time, never mind the electorate. But once the dead wood was cleared from parliament things have gone much more smoothly.

And it's no good crying over spilt milk, you and the rest of the remainers had a choice to take Mays capitulation Brino, but that was not good enough for you, you wanted a complete revoke of art50 and you have only the Labour party, the SNP and the Lib/Dems to blame for the outcome, being selfish and greedy didn't work and now we'll have a perfect Brexit, you snooze, you lose.

Boris and Cummings have played a blinder.

 

 

[7by7]

1 hour ago, bannork said:

I don't think the voters chose a no-deal Brexit. On the contrary they were promised a good deal.

Indeed; we were promised by the various Leave campaigns, Cummings and Boris's in particular, that Brexit would mean keeping all the advantages of EU membership without any of the responsibilities. 

 

When Remain pointed out this was simply untrue, out came the 'Project Fear' label.

[7by7]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

"They didn't know wot they voted for" was torpedoed last December by a stonking majority.

a stonking minority....

I wouldn't necessarily say 'stonking minority;' but yet another Brexiteer shows their maths skills are sadly lacking.

 

A reminder that 53% is larger than 47%.

[nauseus]

37 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 As said, I never denied that the 1974 Health and Safety Act came before EU or EEC membership. But it has had several amendments via Statutory Instruments since which have incorporated EU law.

 

Last time of asking; what you consider the 'nasty bits' of EU law that you would do away with?

Yes, the EU finally woke up in the late 80's and hijacked our Health and Safety regulations. Are you seriously suggesting that the UK would have not made similar further H&S improvements? The same goes for all the others on your list except your free roaming (brought in right before the referendum - pathetic). EU roaming and healthcare only apply anyway if we are in. I would certainly scrap the right to return goods for no good reason (pun intended) anyway. Ticket refunds were already available if the fault of the carrier. And finally:

 

• Etc., etc..  Methinks I'd scrap that too!

[7by7]

38 minutes ago, evadgib said:

An RSM isn't in charge 49

Showing your ignorance again.

 

In the British Army if no commissioned officer is on parade then the highest ranked WO present is in charge. If no WO is present, then the highest ranked NCO is in charge.

 

41 minutes ago, evadgib said:

but as you don't do banter the point once again evaded you.

So what was your point?

[nauseus]

12 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

I wouldn't necessarily say 'stonking minority;' but yet another Brexiteer shows their maths skills are sadly lacking.

 

A reminder that 53% is larger than 47%.

What are you talking about now?

[kingdong]

12 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

I wouldn't necessarily say 'stonking minority;' but yet another Brexiteer shows their maths skills are sadly lacking.

 

A reminder that 53% is larger than 47%.

a majority of 80 odd seats in the election,the peoples vote won the day.

[nauseus]

16 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Indeed; we were promised by the various Leave campaigns, Cummings and Boris's in particular, that Brexit would mean keeping all the advantages of EU membership without any of the responsibilities. 

 

When Remain pointed out this was simply untrue, out came the 'Project Fear' label.

No, we weren't.  

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

a majority of 80 odd seats in the election,the peoples vote won the day.

Was it 80? Wow. Stonkin'!

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Showing your ignorance again.

 

In the British Army if no commissioned officer is on parade then the highest ranked WO present is in charge. If no WO is present, then the highest ranked NCO is in charge.

 

So what was your point?

And if no NCO is in charge everyone marches off to the boozer.

[Rookiescot]

35 minutes ago, kingdong said:

remainer walks into a bar,the barman says what do you want?,he says bitter,barman says i know you are you mug,now what do you want to drink?

Brexiteer walks into a bar. Barman say "What can I get you?"

Brexiteer says "I'll have a Guinness"

Barman says "Nope. None of that. Its been stuck of a ferry for the last six months. Something to do with paperwork. Now is there anything else I can get you?".

Brexiteer says "Fine I'll have a Stella".

Barman "Nope its the same".

Brexiteer "Heineken?".

Barman "Are you doing this on purpose?".

Brexiteer "OK tell me what you have got".

Barman "We have this new beer. It's made out of fermented fish".

 

[7by7]

24 minutes ago, kingdong said:

all your post has done is underline what is fundamentally wrong with benefits britain,british workers don,t want to pick fruit,then stop their benefits then.and what mileage you got from me putting a letter wrong "employer" instead of  employee,still all academic,we,re leaving and all the whingeing in the world isn,t going to stop it

Maybe forcing people to do work they don't want to do is an answer to unskilled shortages; but what about skilled labour shortages?

 

Are you really suggesting pulling unskilled people off the dole queue and forcing them to work as plumbers, bricklayers, electricians etc.?

 

No mileage at all; I simply wanted to make sure I was commenting on what you really meant, not a typo.

 

I see you have failed to acknowledge the correction to the misinformation you posted about zero hours contracts etc.; no surprise there!

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Brexiteer walks into a bar. Barman say "What can I get you?"

Brexiteer says "I'll have a Guinness"

Barman says "Nope. None of that. Its been stuck of a ferry for the last six months. Something to do with paperwork. Now is there anything else I can get you?".

Brexiteer says "Fine I'll have a Stella".

Barman "Nope its the same".

Brexiteer "Heineken?".

Barman "Are you doing this on purpose?".

Brexiteer "OK tell me what you have got".

Barman "We have this new beer. It's made out of fermented fish".

 

Oh Lordy. I bet you've been working on that all afternoon. 

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

Oh Lordy. I bet you've been working on that all afternoon. 

Enjoy your Haddock ale mate ????

[kingdong]

12 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Brexiteer walks into a bar. Barman say "What can I get you?"

Brexiteer says "I'll have a Guinness"

Barman says "Nope. None of that. Its been stuck of a ferry for the last six months. Something to do with paperwork. Now is there anything else I can get you?".

Brexiteer says "Fine I'll have a Stella".

Barman "Nope its the same".

Brexiteer "Heineken?".

Barman "Are you doing this on purpose?".

Brexiteer "OK tell me what you have got".

Barman "We have this new beer. It's made out of fermented fish".

 

don,t give up the day job just yet.