UK ready to quit EU on 'Australia terms' if no Brexit deal, Johnson says

[7by7]

8 hours ago, transam said:

21 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 Boris the bumbling fool; who can't make a decision without Cummings telling him what to do!

Are you an insider, do you listen to Boris's chats with whoever, or are you again making more wild assumptions again ? 

 

So please explain the following:

• Cummings often being seen lurking in the background to ensure Boris stays on message;
• Cummings being allowed to summarily sack one of the Chancellor's advisors without any reference to the Chancellor 
• Boris's frantic defence of Cummings when he broke lockdown rules;
• the continued and growing concern among Tory MPs over Cummings' undue influence

[evadgib]

12 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

So please explain the following:

• Cummings often being seen lurking in the background to ensure Boris stays on message;
• Cummings being allowed to summarily sack one of the Chancellor's advisors without any reference to the Chancellor 
• Boris's frantic defence of Cummings when he broke lockdown rules;
• the continued and growing concern among Tory MPs over Cummings' undue influence

- Exactly what he's employed for.

- Civil Service types have their own rank structure in much the same way that MP's do. It may seem strange but that's how it is.

- Cummings neutered a coup. The Barnard Castle affair was an MSM orchestrated pile-on spoon fed to the public in order to justify it. It failed.

- 'Some' Tory MPs

HTH

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Project fear was project reality. You were all warned about the consequences of Brexit but decided to ignore the facts.

If by facts you mean consequences, there were none available at the time and they are still not known. 

 

If by facts you mean propaganda, then it seems that most of that was ignored, which is good. 

[nauseus]

43 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

So please explain the following:

• Cummings often being seen lurking in the background to ensure Boris stays on message;
• Cummings being allowed to summarily sack one of the Chancellor's advisors without any reference to the Chancellor 
• Boris's frantic defence of Cummings when he broke lockdown rules;
• the continued and growing concern among Tory MPs over Cummings' undue influence

Speculation.

[7by7]

7 minutes ago, evadgib said:

- Exactly what he's employed for.

- Civil Service types have their own rank structure in much the same way that MP's do. It may seem strange but that's how it is.

- Cummings neutered a coup. The Barnard Castle affair was an MSM orchestrated pile-on spoon fed to the public in order to justify it. It failed.

- 'Some' Tory MPs

HTH

 Advising is one thing, making sure that Boris doesn't forget his instructions is another!

 

Cummings is not a civil servant. He has no power over any civil servant. OK, Neither Sonia Khan nor Lynn Davidson were civil servants; both being employed by their minister they worked for. But Cummings sacked the former and had her frogmarched out of Downing Street without any reference to or even informing Sajid Javid, her boss. Remember him? He resigned because Cummings was allowed to get away with it. The latter was sacked by Number 10, against the wishes of her boss defence secretary Ben Wallace, after she criticised Cummings.

 

Attempted coup by whom? According to you everything is hunky dory and the vast majority of Tory MPs love Cummings!

 

Durham police confirmed that Cummings' trip to Barnard Castle broke the lockdown rules and that enforcement action would have been taken had he been stopped at the time. The MSM didn't make it up; it happened. But, like the Prime Minister, you seem to believe taking your young son on a lengthy drive because you believe your eyesight may make you unfit to drive makes good sense and is an acceptable reason for breaking the law. Not just the lockdown law, but if true than he could easily be guilty of driving while unfit!

 

Not 'some' Tory MPs. In May 61 such criticised Boris's defence of Cummings and 44 called on Cummings to resign or be sacked. 

 

That concern is growing: Boris Johnson faces backbench backlash for ‘iron curtain’ around Downing Street

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Boris Johnson is facing a party crisis as angry Conservative MPs have urged him to listen to them instead of Dominic Cummings.

 

[7by7]

10 minutes ago, nauseus said:

54 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

So please explain the following:

• Cummings often being seen lurking in the background to ensure Boris stays on message;
• Cummings being allowed to summarily sack one of the Chancellor's advisors without any reference to the Chancellor 
• Boris's frantic defence of Cummings when he broke lockdown rules;
• the continued and growing concern among Tory MPs over Cummings' undue influence

Speculation.

 No, facts; facts which are easily checked.

 

See also my reply to the evasive one above.

 

[RayC]

20 hours ago, kingdong said:

don,t work in the city by any chance?

Sorry, you've lost me. Don't see the connection. But the answer's no anyway.

[vogie]

Latest poll on Boris Johnsons popularity for those that are doubting Thomas, never doubt Thomas.

 

 

[kingdong]

7 hours ago, Surelynot said:

Fair point.....but we do have PMQ's, which provides a good insight into his total inability to even deliver one line gags. The man is an embarrassment to the nation. A third rate journalist, liar and a cheat...few, if any, 'real' qualifications and he is (supposedly) running the country.....what a complete joke.

the best of a bad bunch,a jewel in a grubby setting,all your post did is outline the calibre of the opposition,a year ago the electorate had their chance and their bottles went when they realised what would happen if momentum,sorry labour got in.

[7by7]

22 hours ago, vinny41 said:

47% voted for parties supporting Brexit

41.5% voted for parties supporting a vote on the final deal

11.5 voted for a party that wanted to cancel Brexit without a final say on the deal 

So it would seem that the majority of the voters that voted in the December 2019 General Election voted for parties supporting Brexit 

 Forgetting for a moment that the LibDems said that if they did not form the next government with the majority of seats in the House then they would support calls for a referendum on the final deal; kindly explain how 47% is a majority.

 

[kingdong]

1 minute ago, 7by7 said:

 Forgetting for a moment that the LibDems said that if they did not form the next government with the majority of seats in the House then they would support calls for a referendum on the final deal; kindly explain how 47% is a majority.

 

perhaps he read it on a big red bus.

[tebee]

23 minutes ago, vogie said:

Latest poll on Boris Johnsons popularity for those that are doubting Thomas, never doubt Thomas.

 

 

Yes, but they're Conservatives, so they are stupid people to start with.....

[Lormak]

The Remainers here need to be taken on a trip to France and Belgium.  Take a walk around the graveyards and reflect on the British boys who gave their lives to prevent the German domination of Europe (and beyond) during 20th century. Now it is for Great Britain to halt German hegemony in the 21st century. The EU is nothing more than a Trojan Horse for the Germans.

Thankfully those of us with balls and a backbone outnumber the spineless knee-taker Remainers.

[tebee]

53 minutes ago, nauseus said:

If by facts you mean consequences, there were none available at the time and they are still not known. 

 

If by facts you mean propaganda, then it seems that most of that was ignored, which is good. 

 

Reality punctures Britain’s Brexit balloon

 

https://www.ft.com/content/29276560-c74f-11ea-9d81-eb7f2a294e50

[welovesundaysatspace]

26 minutes ago, vogie said:

Latest poll on Boris Johnsons popularity for those that are doubting Thomas, never doubt Thomas.

 

 

I believe asking Republican party members about Trump would yield the same results. 

[7by7]

22 hours ago, Loiner said:

,snip.

By Parliament, you mean the House of Lords, which is stacked full of Labour supporters.

No, I mean Parliament which is the Commons and Lords.

 

The Lords is not 'stacked full of Labour supporters!'

 

Currently, out of 773 members, the largest group are the Conservatives with 242 (31%). Second largest are crossbenchers, who are not affiliated to any party, with 178 members (23%). Labour come in third with 176 (22%). (Source)

 

Those figures will of course change with the next honours list; and I doubt that Johnson will be creating many Labour peers!

 

 

 

[hotandsticky]

1 minute ago, tebee said:

 

Reality punctures Britain’s Brexit balloon

 

https://www.ft.com/content/29276560-c74f-11ea-9d81-eb7f2a294e50

 

 

Not my balloon tebee, only yours - and that has been as flat as witches t1t for 5 years.

[kingdong]

2 minutes ago, tebee said:

 

Reality punctures Britain’s Brexit balloon

 

https://www.ft.com/content/29276560-c74f-11ea-9d81-eb7f2a294e50

the current crisis with china and corona are going to dwarf brexit into oblivion.

[tebee]

1 minute ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

Not my balloon tebee, only yours - and that has been as flat as witches t1t for 5 years.

So what Brexit promises are going to be fulfilled ?

[kingdong]

1 minute ago, tebee said:

So what Brexit promises are going to be fulfilled ?

no more freedom of movement?

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

I believe asking Republican party members about Trump would yield the same results. 

Some members on here from Team 'I don't believe in democracy' seem to have other ideas, they are saying he is losing his popularity while all along Labour are going down the pan just like Scots Labour. HTH

[7by7]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

If by facts you mean consequences, there were none available at the time and they are still not known. 

There were plenty known about and publicised. But Cummings, Farage etc. labelled those consequences 'Project Fear' and the gullible believed them; and while some still do, more and more people here in the UK realise that Project Fear was in fact Project Reality!

 

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

If by facts you mean propaganda, then it seems that most of that was ignored, which is good. 

Unfortunately the lies and propaganda from the various Leave campaigns was swallowed by enough of the gullible to swing the vote for Leave.

[7by7]

39 minutes ago, vogie said:

Latest poll on Boris Johnsons popularity for those that are doubting Thomas, never doubt Thomas.

 

 

 A poll from a private company set up and run by prominent Conservative party members, one of whom is now an MP, which only polled less than 10% of party members.

 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

 No, facts; facts which are easily checked.

 

See also my reply to the evasive one above.

 

Baseless speculation.

[nauseus]

34 minutes ago, tebee said:

 

Reality punctures Britain’s Brexit balloon

 

https://www.ft.com/content/29276560-c74f-11ea-9d81-eb7f2a294e50

If you pay my subscription I will, at least read it.

[nauseus]

32 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

No, I mean Parliament which is the Commons and Lords.

 

The Lords is not 'stacked full of Labour supporters!'

 

Currently, out of 773 members, the largest group are the Conservatives with 242 (31%). Second largest are crossbenchers, who are not affiliated to any party, with 178 members (23%). Labour come in third with 176 (22%). (Source)

 

Those figures will of course change with the next honours list; and I doubt that Johnson will be creating many Labour peers!

 

 

 

Don't you think Cummings will fire them all? 

[nauseus]

25 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

There were plenty known about and publicised. But Cummings, Farage etc. labelled those consequences 'Project Fear' and the gullible believed them; and while some still do, more and more people here in the UK realise that Project Fear was in fact Project Reality!

 

Unfortunately the lies and propaganda from the various Leave campaigns was swallowed by enough of the gullible to swing the vote for Leave.

How can the consequences be known if we are not yet fully independent? 

 

The Project Fear tag was given to the propaganda of the various remain campaigns, unfortunately supported by the efforts of the government of the day. Gullible people believed lies from both sides. You talk as if the remain campaigns were all full of truth, when, in fact, they were full of something else. Pooh!

 

 

[7by7]

28 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Baseless speculation.

No, facts based upon hard evidence.

 

23 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Don't you think Cummings will fire them all? 

No, but I'm sure he's telling, sorry, advising Johnson who to appoint in the next honours.

 

12 minutes ago, nauseus said:

How can the consequences be known if we are not yet fully independent?

Are you not paying attention? 

 

We know the consequences of no deal, we know the consequences of Cummings' preferred May MkII deal. But I'll grant you that we don't know exactly what will happen. But we do know whatever that is, it wont be the rosy, 'the EU will give us everything we want' deal Vote.Leave promised us in 2016!

 

15 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The Project Fear tag was given to the propaganda of the various remain campaigns

The Remain side told us the disadvantages of leaving and the Leave side simply labelled those disadvantages 'Project Fear.' Those disadvantages are becoming more and more apparent.

 

I listed some of the things we will lose, the disadvantages of Brexit, before in this topic and asked you for examples of what you called the nasty aspects of membership. But you wont, or more likely cant, answer.

 

19 minutes ago, nauseus said:

, unfortunately supported by the efforts of the government of the day.

Yes, the government did recommend Remain; and said why. Again, the only response Leave had was 'Project Fear!'

 

20 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Gullible people believed lies from both sides.

At least you finally admit that Leave lied and those who believed those lies are gullible!

 

I and others have given plenty of examples of lies from the Leave side; will you give some examples of those from Remain?

 

22 minutes ago, nauseus said:

You talk as if the remain campaigns were all full of truth, when, in fact, they were full of something else. Pooh!

Example, please, to support that statement.

 

[bannork]

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

the current crisis with china and corona are going to dwarf brexit into oblivion.

No, Brexit is the self-inflicted wound. The patient shooting his own kneecaps whilst reeling from corona virus, an illness he had told doctors he would take on the chin, rather than the lungs, (if only!)

Doctors, nurses, fellow patients and visitors, all shook their heads at the patient's madness.

'It's alright doc,' he grimaced, 'its only a flesh wound.'

[melvinmelvin]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

 

Reality punctures Britain’s Brexit balloon

 

https://www.ft.com/content/29276560-c74f-11ea-9d81-eb7f2a294e50

 

thank you for the bargain offer

 

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