NFL: Trump slams Washington Redskins as team re-evaluates name

[tifino]

the White House, knowing its own title must soon be a threat target;  

 - just wants things to slow down enough for logic to prevail

 

just chew on it a while  

[ThailandRyan]

Looks like Oscar Mayer will have to find a new name for their Weiner's, as the term is deemed offensive as well 

[CorpusChristie]

16 minutes ago, Sujo said:

The people that pay the bills.

 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

They are all over this thread.

Do you agree with the name change , and if so, why ?

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

Do you agree with the name change , and if so, why ?

It’s entirely a matter for the business owners.

 

Businesses change names all the time, why then the fuss over this name change?

[phantomfiddler]

Meanwhile the world,s monkey population campaign against the use of the term "Monkey Business", claiming that such words put them in an unfavorable light ????

[CorpusChristie]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s entirely a matter for the business owners.

 

Businesses change names all the time, why then the fuss over this name change?

Yes, they are rather stupid names for sports teams when you think about it .

*Cowboys, Indians , Eskimos, Red sox , Yankees *

They should change their names to sensible names  , like 

Washington United

New York City

Detroit Wanderers 

Edmonton Albion .

Time for the silly names to go 

[ThailandRyan]

3 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Yes, they are rather stupid names for sports teams when you think about it .

*Cowboys, Indians , Eskimos, Red sox , Yankees *

They should change their names to sensible names  , like 

Washington United

New York City

Detroit Wanderers 

Edmonton Albion .

Time for the silly names to go 

So instead of the Los Angeles Rams, they should be the Los Angeles Stormdrain, The Dodgers should be the LA Bases, and the Anaheim Angels should be just the Halo's, I think I get what your saying, what is in a name anyway....well lets see, how about History, or as the teams jump ship from one State to another, the names are sometimes owned by the city and the name is changed instead of paying out for the name to be kept.....Easy to get rid of a sponsor and rename your stadium if you have the money to break the contract. 

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

So instead of the Los Angeles Rams, they should be the Los Angeles Stormdrain, The Dodgers should be the LA Bases, and the Anaheim Angels should be just the Halo's, I think I get what your saying, what is in a name anyway....well lets see, how about History, or as the teams jump ship from one State to another, the names are sometimes owned by the city and the name is changed instead of paying out for the name to be kept.....Easy to get rid of a sponsor and rename your stadium if you have the money to break the contract. 

Agree with you that the la angels should be renamed to include the town they're playing in.

[IAMHERE]

11 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

Will it become the Washington Blackskins? Whiteskins won't do of course ????

For Skins ?

Edited July 7, 2020 by IAMHERE
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[Monomial]

4 hours ago, JCauto said:

Any source for this completely fabricated claim?

 

I had that same question when I saw his statement. But rather than risk looking like a complete idiot by calling it a "fabricated claim" I simply Googled it.

 

Found it on page 1 of the search results. Oops. Looks like he is right and you are the one making fabricated claims.  A little bit of humility and not assuming your personal opinion is always the right one can go a long way to civil discourse.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-survey-explores-how-native-americans-feel-about-the-name-washington-redskins-no-its-not-that-survey-this-one-is-new/2019/08/09/e38553bc-b581-11e9-8949-5f36ff92706e_story.html

 

[ThailandRyan]

It is only offensive to the Woke movement and there agenda.  A name has historical connotations for the franchise, and becomes there Identity, not only in marketing, but in memories of fans as well.

[earlinclaifornia]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

 Screwing around with names and traditions is an attack on Americas culture ! In this instance, It's Americas past time, Football,Baseball and Basketball ! Ya have to be American to appreciate that!

I have sent out emails to various professional sports organizations recently ,opposing these far left attack tactics by the social justice warrior cults! 

They all emailed me and said you overstepped yourself.

[CorpusChristie]

34 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s entirely a matter for the business owners.

 

Businesses change names all the time, why then the fuss over this name change?

I did ask you whether you agreed with the name change or not .

From the survey above , 90 % of American Indians  werent offended by the name *Redskins* and the most picked emoticon was *Proud* of the name .

   Should the Redskins be made to change their name, against the wishes of the Club , supporters  and Native American Indians themselves , just because some antifas, White supremacists, KKK have issues with the name (Redskins)/ peoples ?

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

I did ask you whether you agreed with the name change or not .

From the survey above , 90 % of American Indians  werent offended by the name *Redskins* and the most picked emoticon was *Proud* of the name .

   Should the Redskins be made to change their name, against the wishes of the Club , supporters  and Native American Indians themselves , just because some antifas, White supremacists, KKK have issues with the name (Redskins)/ peoples ?

Did the survey reveal if any of those people/groups own the team?

 

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Did the survey reveal if any of those people/groups own the team?

 

Errrrm, can you answer my questions please or address my post instead of asking me questions in reply ?

[Dap]

11 hours ago, H1w4yR1da said:

No. Its not.

 Whether you agree or not, it most definitely is by enough to make it an issue.

Edited July 7, 2020 by Dap

[ThailandRyan]

4 minutes ago, Dap said:

At the very least, it's a start in the right direction.

 

The direction to the gray zone where everyone is to be satisfied and satiated.  I think not.  It is destroying not only history, culture, but heritage as well.  Everything has already been painted with a broad brush and everyone and anyone is offended by something in this world.  People need to just suck it up and quit being babies about what they perceive to be a injustice in their own views.

[Kelsall]

12 hours ago, Thailand said:

This political correctness has gone way way over the top and probably for the first time ever I agree with Trump.????

 

And among others Mercedes changing their racing livery to black, out of control!

 

And others who never liked or agreed with Trump will join you as this nonsense escalates. Many of them will be US voters.  Trump 2020 guaranteed.

Edited July 7, 2020 by Kelsall

[Chomper Higgot]

23 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Errrrm, can you answer my questions please or address my post instead of asking me questions in reply ?

I’ve already been very clear in expressing my view.

 

The ‘Redskins’ are a private business, if they feel it in the best interests of their business to change their name (as many other businesses do) then doing so is entirely a matter for the business to decide.

[Chomper Higgot]

17 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

The direction to the gray zone where everyone is to be satisfied and satiated.  I think not.  It is destroying not only history, culture, but heritage as well.  Everything has already been painted with a broad brush and everyone and anyone is offended by something in this world.  People need to just suck it up and quit being babies about what they perceive to be a injustice in their own views.

Perhaps lead by example and don’t get offended when a private business considers changing its name.

[stevenl]

30 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

The direction to the gray zone where everyone is to be satisfied and satiated.  I think not.  It is destroying not only history, culture, but heritage as well.  Everything has already been painted with a broad brush and everyone and anyone is offended by something in this world.  People need to just suck it up and quit being babies about what they perceive to be a injustice in their own views.

History can not be destroyed.

 

I would say it is creating history.

[Dap]

31 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

The direction to the gray zone where everyone is to be satisfied and satiated.  I think not.  It is destroying not only history, culture, but heritage as well.  Everything has already been painted with a broad brush and everyone and anyone is offended by something in this world.  People need to just suck it up and quit being babies about what they perceive to be a injustice in their own views.

It's a sports team.

[ThailandRyan]

13 minutes ago, stevenl said:

History can not be destroyed.

 

I would say it is creating history.

Say what?  Yes new history is being created with a whitewashing of the prior history because folks find it either, offensive, the players are now deemed to be racists, and historical views of the past are now deemed bad.  The way to correct this is to write addendums to historical events and indicate how certain folks actually created problems later in life for those that came after them instead of re-writing and whitewashing it or destroying things such as films or books, franchise names, and marketed goods. 

[CorpusChristie]

23 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’ve already been very clear in expressing my view.

 

The ‘Redskins’ are a private business, if they feel it in the best interests of their business to change their name (as many other businesses do) then doing so is entirely a matter for the business to decide.

Yes, but what do you think that they should do ?

Do you think that they should either keep or change their name ?

Its unlike you you to sit on the fence and not to have an opinion .

You cannot answer because naturally you want to change everything and be telling everyone else what they should be doing and saying  , but, on this occasion you would be siding with the White supremacists and telling ethic minorities what they should be doing, even if its again their own will .

  Difficult situation 

[riclag]

7 hours ago, DavisH said:

Rather than changing their name, why doesn't the team so something to support their local native populations - reduced price tickets to games, finding their kid's education, etc. I'm sure the team has plenty of money. Or is this not the US way?

Sounds like ransom !

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Say what?  Yes new history is being created with a whitewashing of the prior history because folks find it either, offensive, the players are now deemed to be racists, and historical views of the past are now deemed bad.  The way to correct this is to write addendums to historical events and indicate how certain folks actually created problems later in life for those that came after them instead of re-writing and whitewashing it or destroying things such as films or books, franchise names, and marketed goods. 

Nobody is rewriting or whitewashing history here.

[ThailandRyan]

4 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Nobody is rewriting or whitewashing history here.

No just a team being extorted and pushed to make a decision on a franchise name that serves as an identity for many former players, Hall of famers, and fans.  Will the memorabilia be worth more if the name of the team is changed or will it diminish in Value.  Will my signed football and Joe Theismann Jersey become worthless or what.  Will the name be changed in historical records or will they be known as the team formerly named the Washington Redskins as an annotated note in the Hall of Fame or in sport books from here on forward.  Do you see what this all leads too?

[stevenl]

34 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

No just a team being extorted and pushed to make a decision on a franchise name that serves as an identity for many former players, Hall of famers, and fans. 

<Snip>

Thanks for confirming nobody is changing or whitewashing history.

 

Nobody is being extorted, the team has been asked by one of its main sponsors to change their name. A main sponsor which is a commercial enterprise, so it stands to reason they are asking this for commercial reasons. Now the team has to decide if they want to adhere to the request or not, their choice. They will make a decision based on commercial and emotional reasons, and the decision made will be, according to the management, the best decision for the franchise.

No extortion whatsoever.

 

Personally I think that general sentiment pro name change is not strong enough to warrant a change, but that may and probably will change in the future. I also feel that Trump is not helping by, as usual, making it much more divisive than is necessary.

Edited July 7, 2020 by stevenl

[Chomper Higgot]

37 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Yes, but what do you think that they should do ?

Do you think that they should either keep or change their name ?

Its unlike you you to sit on the fence and not to have an opinion .

You cannot answer because naturally you want to change everything and be telling everyone else what they should be doing and saying  , but, on this occasion you would be siding with the White supremacists and telling ethic minorities what they should be doing, even if its again their own will .

  Difficult situation 

I have made my views crystal clear.

 

If you wish to argue a point, I recommend you argue with what I have said, not what you imagine to be my motivations.

 

[hugocnx]

>Having problems coming up with excuses for him again?<

No excuses for him/her/it; is to blunt for that. Thought I try it another way to sting him/her/it.

Edited July 7, 2020 by hugocnx