Trump's clemency for Roger Stone wipes away fine and supervised release

[david555]

1 minute ago, J Town said:

Off topic. If you want to discuss their crimes (and there are many, no argument) I would suggest you start another thread. Again - specious red herring.

 

 

 

ow .... that is really poor defense ….but I stop it here as I see the honesty raped once more …...

Sorry to embarrass you with the Obama comparing Gov. pardon  link

[J Town]

Just now, david555 said:

ow .... that is really poor defense ….but I stop it here as I see the honesty raped once more …...

Sorry to embarrass you with the Obama comparing Gov. pardon  link

Yes, your defense is very poor. Specious red herrings attempt to distract from the actual discussion. And embarrass ME? 555! Obama is as crooked as a dog's hind leg!

[Walker88]

stone demanded a jury of his peers. He got it. That jury convicted him of 7 felonies.

 

Only his long history of turning on co-conspirators to save himself punishment, plus a well-timed interview with Howard Fineman, where Stone said "I could have turned on 45, but didn't", kept him out of jail. 45 knew stone could take him down, and still can. I wouldn't write an insurance policy on stone now, that's for sure.

 

For the nation, it is clear that Rule of Law is dead and buried. Those who abolished that may come to rue the day, because what it leaves us is frontier justice.

 

We are all free now to get away with whatever we can get away with.

 

After WWII, the Israelis showed the world that real justice might take time, but eventually it is imposed.  Those who have so far benefited or aided the abject corruption and lawlessness of 45 might remember that history often rhymes. There will be a day of reckoning, and there are many of us who will make sure it comes to pass.

 

 

[Walker88]

3 minutes ago, J Town said:

Yes, your defense is very poor. Specious red herrings attempt to distract from the actual discussion. And embarrass ME? 555! Obama is as crooked as a dog's hind leg!

Perhaps you have some FACTS as to how or why Obama is crooked?

 

No doubt if you make such a statement, you have verifiable FACTS based on insider knowledge. Were you in law enforcement? The intel community? The DoJ?

 

Absent direct experience in any of those entities, I would have no choice but to believe your opinion is absolutely NOT FACT-based.

 

The ball is in your court.

[Phoenix Rising]

The criminal Stone is not out of the woods yet:

 

'New York should prosecute Roger Stone'

[JusticeGB]

Wow so many Trump haters and Liberals on this thread the lynch mob is out in full.

[jcsmith]

It's hilarious to see the flailing accusations against Obama trying to say he was corrupt. How many scandals did Obama have? The closest thing to a scandal is the made up one from Trump trying to make it sound like Obama personally ordered an investigation into him when there is no evidence of that whatsoever. Meanwhile Trump has been dogged with scandals and corruption for his entire presidency. There is no equivalency between those two. One guy was squeaky clean. The other is a con man. Even die hard Trump supporters will immediately know which is which.

[jcsmith]

14 minutes ago, JusticeGB said:

Wow so many Trump haters and Liberals on this thread the lynch mob is out in full.

According to pretty much every poll that is representative of the United States right now. He's the least popular president in modern history by a landslide. There is good reason for that. People didn't just decide hey let's hate on the redhead. He brought this on himself.

[J Town]

Just now, jcsmith said:

According to pretty much every poll that is representative of the United States right now. He's the least popular president in modern history by a landslide. There is good reason for that. People didn't just decide hey let's hate on the redhead. He brought this on himself.

I didn't vote for him but tried to get behind him. With every unbelievable act or speech, he became too much for me early on. Over the last few months he obviously cares not about trying to reach anyone who isn't already beholden to him. His numbers are in the minority but their blind fealty has them voting like rabid weasels. The only hope is for the opposition to vote as if their lives were in jeopardy. They literally are.

[bendejo]

2 hours ago, david555 said:

O.K. …. but check a moment the Obama list AND the crimes they did also ….

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....................

 

 

[bendejo]

59 minutes ago, JusticeGB said:

Wow so many Trump haters and Liberals on this thread the lynch mob is out in full.

The pro trolls haven't been provided with their positions yet.  They usually start showing up on Tuesdays: weekly topic cycles, you know.

 

 

[Mavideol]

3 hours ago, david555 said:

1 rule for 1 and other rules for other ?…..I just was curious about the former president(s)….. Obama beat in numbers the 3 other ones ….Bush , Clinton and Trump ….. I saw even several cocain delicts pardoned ….

that's correct but none for lying to Congress, witness tampering and obstruction of justice to cover up for the president himself

[ehs818]

Trump seems to think that the only way to have an impact is to come down hard on people and make them an example. I would not be surprised if some enterprising patriot realized that Cro Magnon Man Stone represents the downfall of democracy in the US and took him out. Second Amendment rights work in mysteriously effective ways!

[Proboscis]

Roger Stone apparently told the learned audience of Fox News that Donald "The Don" Trump saved his life because, with his life-long respiratory problems he would not be able to survive prison.

 

If you think about it, that is not an argument for releasing Roger Stone. Instead, it is an argument for reforming American prisons to make them safe for those with respiratory problems (and other medical issues). But somehow I don't think that you will hear Roger Stone at the vanguard of prison reform activism.

[ukrules]

5 hours ago, J Town said:

Absolutely! If he does not get a second term, the Southern District of New York (SDNY) is ready to pounce.

Doesn't the SDNY Federal prosecutors office deal solely with federal crimes?

 

He can't be tried for the same crimes again.

 

I expect a full pardon to come at some point in the future.

 

Also, I had a thought. At some point in time, either January 2021 or January 2025, President Trump will leave office unless he chooses to retire early.

 

If he's worried about the following administration 'coming after him' should he lose an election then he could choose to do something unprecedented.

 

He could 'retire' at a time of his choosing between some time in December and January (2029 or 2024 depending on election results) - probably depending on who's the incoming president.

 

At that point President Pence would take office and believe me, President Pence can and will pardon whoever he wants.

 

Edited July 14, 2020 by ukrules

[J Town]

4 minutes ago, ukrules said:

Doesn't the SDNY Federal prosecutors office deal solely with federal crimes?

No. State level. And even if Biden were to win and pardon 45 for every crime he could, SDNY still has jurisdiction for crimes uncovered while 45 was a resident of New York or crimes committed there. Why do you think he's fighting SO HARD to keep his financials from the light of day? Why do you think he's having his pit bull AG fire multiple SDNY attorneys working on cases involving 45 for no reasonable cause?  An innocent man would have said long ago "Here, look all you want. I have nothing to hide."

 

 

Edited July 14, 2020 by J Town

[david555]

2 hours ago, bendejo said:

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....................

 

 

Yes ...i know his list is endless ......by the end you could sleep …   

[david555]

2 hours ago, Mavideol said:

that's correct but none for lying to Congress, witness tampering and obstruction of justice to cover up for the president himself

Right , but …. both sides are a long time each other  rival in doing this the " very naughty way " …… lying to congress …. tapering and obstruction ….. please  let us remember dear Hillary with smashing her phones and emails files ….. and she got away with it ….????

Sad to see 2 party's descending to this level …. but if one start's so  the other is invited to it to......

And if not polarized enough  the BLM comes on top  .. while ALM  is the ultimate correct option  (ALL lives matter )

Edited July 14, 2020 by david555

[metisdead]

Some posts that were too far off topic and the replies have been removed.

[J Town]

1 hour ago, ukrules said:

Doesn't the SDNY Federal prosecutors office deal solely with federal crimes?

I must correct myself. SDNY IS a federal court, and they prosecute civil AND criminal cases. One of these does not fall under the jurisdiction of presidential pardons.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_District_Court_for_the_Southern_District_of_New_York#:~:text=The United States District Court,the state of New York.

[Dave0206]

2 points 1 guilty of anything or not you are not going to hear Biden chant lock him up although more than half the country would love it.As. Usual anything he may be guilty of will be swept under the Nixon style rug.

2) For the life of me I can not fathom how the religious zealots manage to conveniently be blind to anything the Donald stands for ( if he stands for anything other than himself)

Its not my country thank god I can not understand Why a population supposedly educated manage to vote against there own interests ie medi care allowing drug companies to charge more than anywhere else in world.

you would have thought when Mitch blocks anything he does not like population would revolt no nothing

perhaps they get what they deserve .

perhaps I liked Bernie too much he was unlucky coz he was selling Medicare for all and fox was fear mongering you work medical cover is better now so many unemployed cover gone also

[Sujo]

2 hours ago, david555 said:

Right , but …. both sides are a long time each other  rival in doing this the " very naughty way " …… lying to congress …. tapering and obstruction ….. please  let us remember dear Hillary with smashing her phones and emails files ….. and she got away with it ….????

Sad to see 2 party's descending to this level …. but if one start's so  the other is invited to it to......

And if not polarized enough  the BLM comes on top  .. while ALM  is the ultimate correct option  (ALL lives matter )

But hilllary. 8 republican investgations. Zero.

Lock her up. Another trump nothingburger.

[J Town]

1 minute ago, Dave0206 said:

2) For the life of me I can not fathom how the religious zealots manage to conveniently be blind to anything the Donald stands for ( if he stands for anything other than himself)

The largest plot that 45 has accomplished was to load the courts with extreme right wing judges - about 200 of them. In some cases they were flat out not qualified, but their political views exempted the need for experience. Abortion is on the verge of becoming outlawed again, so the "Christians" will overlook his multitude of crimes. He has filled all the court appointments that he can, so I sense support will start to pull away, particularly as his racist rhetoric is heating up. To openly state BLM is a symbol of hate is unbelievable. On a side note, I've never had a Christian satisfactorily answer this question: If God is all powerful then couldn't He take the soul that was to be assigned to the aborted fetus and plant it somewhere else?

[rosst]

Nobody in Australia has that authority. 

[Dave0206]

Now of course we receive our news as we “ like” it if you are a maga it’s from fox and frauds or vice versa cnn or msnbc when I was younger we got news at 6 pm and 10 pm bbc or itn.

Now you can read every conspiracy theory that suits you’re thinking 24 hours a day or wait 5 mins and trump will tweet it ( I used to think only birds did the tweeting) now the cuckoo in whitehouse is addicted to it.

biden just needs to keep quiet and he will be elected by trump blowing it.

Bidens biggest asset is republicans that hate trump like the Lincoln project making terrific adverts.

i often wonder how the Conway conversations are like hee hee 

[ukrules]

1 hour ago, J Town said:

I must correct myself. SDNY IS a federal court, and they prosecute civil AND criminal cases.

Sure, I know...that's why I mentioned it.

 

President Trump just commuted the only federal charges they could come up with so the SDNY will not be doing anything because under federal law he's been sentenced already, it was commuted which doesn't matter - they can't come for him again. It's over.

 

Some people don't like this, hard luck I guess.

Edited July 14, 2020 by ukrules

[J Town]

5 minutes ago, ukrules said:

President Trump just commuted the only federal charges they could come up with so the SDNY will not be doing anything because under federal law he's been sentenced already, it was commuted which doesn't matter - they can't come for him again. It's over.

I must have misunderstood. I was referring to 45 when he leaves office. There are crimes that, even if Biden were of a mind to, cannot be pardoned or commuted that SDNY can and will prosecute.

 

 

Edited July 14, 2020 by J Town

[ukrules]

9 minutes ago, J Town said:

I must have misunderstood. I was referring to 45 when he leaves office. There are crimes that, even if Biden were of a mind to, cannot be pardoned or commuted that SDNY can and will prosecute.

Lol, there's only thing that can't be pardoned and that's impeachment and it's certainly not under the remit of SDNY.

 

State law however is a very different thing, maybe that's what you're referring to but that's a whole different bunch of guys.

[metisdead]

Some troll posts and replies have been removed. 

[joecoolfrog]

The saving grace is that as from the beginning of next year , Trump will spend the rest of his miserable life hobbling from one corruption trial to the next.