U.S. swoops down on Portland protesters after Trump order to protect monuments

[riclag]

2 minutes ago, cantata said:

How does this prove that your opinion jibes with all Americans (including the ones protesting) or even a majority?

How does the statement you quoted prove that most of the demonstrations are not peaceful?

What is your agenda

[riclag]

4 minutes ago, cantata said:

How does this prove that your opinion jibes with all Americans (including the ones protesting) or even a majority?

How does the statement you quoted prove that most of the demonstrations are not peaceful?

Do you approve of violence

[cantata]

Just now, riclag said:

Do you approve of violence

No, I do not approve of violence. Do you approve of characterizing peaceful protests as violent?

[cantata]

What about local governance? Do you approve of that? 

[riclag]

8 minutes ago, cantata said:

How does this prove that your opinion jibes with all Americans (including the ones protesting) or even a majority?

How does the statement you quoted prove that most of the demonstrations are not peaceful?

All under, what started as a peaceful protest!

All these protest in many instances have ended this way!

48 days and counting

 

a snip from a previous comment

 

I left room for not all

Edited July 18, 2020 by riclag

[Somtamnication]

18 years in the force; it was never like that. The militarization of the police is truly scary. Feels like Chile back in 1973 all over again.

 

[cantata]

Just now, riclag said:

All under, what started as a peaceful protest!

All these protest in many instances have ended this way!

48 days and counting

What does "all these protests in many instances" mean?

[cantata]

1 minute ago, Somtamnication said:

18 years in the force; it was never like that. The militarization of the police is truly scary. Feels like Chile back in 1973 all over again.

 

Actually, in this case it's not the police but US paramilitary troops. And they weren't asked for by the local government.

[riclag]

3 minutes ago, cantata said:

No, I do not approve of violence. Do you approve of characterizing peaceful protests as violent?

I told you Many  I was careful to include that 

[cantata]

2 minutes ago, riclag said:

I told you Many  I was careful to include that 

"All these protest[sic] in Many instance." 

All or many?

[riclag]

3 minutes ago, cantata said:

"All these protest[sic] in Many instance." 

All or many?

Your deflection and constant badgering about your confusion over violence during many peaceful  protests has awarded you a spot on  my ignore list! Congratulations!

[Heppinger]

6 minutes ago, Dap said:

Ok! I'm telling you, as you seem to know how a WWII vet would respond to those wartime horrors. Please, tell me.

How would i know how a WW2 vet would respond to the use of flamethrowers?  The two WW2 vets that i'm related to didn't use one, to my knowledge.  Though flamethrowers were widely used by allied troops during WW2. 

You stated the following:

 

 There is EVERYTHING questionable about using flamethrowers on ANY living creature ... ALWAYS!! under any and all administration. 

 

I'm suggesting that the WW2 vets that did use them may disagree with your statement. 

 

[cantata]

3 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

He obviously isn't confused by anything but your deflections and bad language and he's not alone.

I think he used it as an excuse to avoid the issue of local control. The local government didn't ask for and doesn't want Federal law enforcement agents. In other words, he's not exactly a principled conservative.

[Mama Noodle]

2 minutes ago, cantata said:

And yet the local government don't want them there.

 

You be honest and stop pretending to know what people who disagree with you want. 

The local politicians are playing games with peoples lives and livelihoods and have hamstrung the police in every way, even releasing the terrorists to regroup the very next day. How many people have died as a direct result of the lawlessness of northwestern politicians over the last few weeks? CHAZ/CHOP/I-5 Roadblocks/Assaults and Robberies/Murder/Property Damage. 
 

And you show all your cards the minute you equate antifa to peaceful protesters and minimize their destruction, so I know all about how you’d think had the shoe been on the other foot. 

[riclag]

8 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Do you mean following them on credible news sources or loony alt right sites?

Is this a loony credible alt right site !

 

Violence In Portland

"Violence in Portland draws national attention"

 

NBC affiliate

 

[Mama Noodle]

4 minutes ago, riclag said:

Is this a loony credible alt right site

Don’t even bother, they’ll never change their minds until a Molotov comes flying in their bedroom window. 

[cantata]

13 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

The local politicians are playing games with peoples lives and livelihoods and have hamstrung the police in every way, even releasing the terrorists to regroup the very next day. How many people have died as a direct result of the lawlessness of northwestern politicians over the last few weeks? CHAZ/CHOP/I-5 Roadblocks/Assaults and Robberies/Murder/Property Damage. 
 

And you show all your cards the minute you equate antifa to peaceful protesters and minimize their destruction, so I know all about how you’d think had the shoe been on the other foot. 

Please, tell us how many people have died? And it's up to the Feds to decide if local politicians are playing games?

And you show your endorsement of demagoguery by citing antifa, a movement that it considered tiny and unorganized even by the Justice department.

Edited July 18, 2020 by cantata

[Sujo]

The US under trump really has prospered.

[JensenZ]

9 hours ago, stevenl said:

This behaviour is very much reminiscent of that of thought police forces in countries like Russia, China, and others where free thought is not allowed.

Wake up before you post. What does destroying public property have to do with "free thought". 

 

If people want to remove historical statues and monuments, they need to debate the issue in a legal forum of some type. What about the "free thought" of people who likes these statues. There are many, but most are too afraid to speak up because they are genuinely afraid of the BLM mob, and for good reason.

 

[TPI]

9 hours ago, simple1 said:

Federal government agents have been detaining people in clear breach of their First Amendment rights.

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/portland-george-floyd-protests-president-trump-federal-officers-1030441/

I'm sure you're on top of all the legal ramification in the US while swinging in your hammock in Noosa, or are you just waiting to go back to Uni?

[Mama Noodle]

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

The US under trump really has prospered.

And just like that, a poster pops in with a zinger meant to be damning, but in fact is the precise reason that politicians are allowing this <deleted> to continue. 
 

They’d fracture the country in half and make the rubble their soapbox if they though it would bring them more power and make the opposition look bad. 

[cantata]

4 minutes ago, riclag said:

Can you believe this ,the minimizing of violence  that has accompanied peaceful protests!!!!! 

Jeepers creepers even when the left sees the msm report it  they aren't willing to accept it, don't you agree?

Are we denying peaceful protest,no!  

Minimizing or not, whatever violence is occurring doesn't justify disregarding the Constitution.

[Mama Noodle]

Just now, cantata said:

Minimizing or not, whatever violence is occurring doesn't justify disregarding the Constitution.

Oh this should be good. 
 

What part of the constitution are they violating by detaining rioters and suspects of crimes? 

[simple1]

2 minutes ago, TPI said:

I'm sure you're on top of all the legal ramification in the US while swinging in your hammock in Noosa, or are you just waiting to go back to Uni?

Nope. just posting a Rolling Stone article calling out the situation in Portland in relation to the OP; if you can factually dispute the content go for it. BTW don't have a hammock, but your inference is correct, Noosa is beautiful and peaceful.

[Heppinger]

6 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

Wake up before you post. What does destroying public property have to do with "free thought". 

 

If people want to remove historical statues and monuments, they need to debate the issue in a legal forum of some type. What about the "free thought" of people who likes these statues. There are many, but most are too afraid to speak up because they are genuinely afraid of the BLM mob, and for good reason.

 

I think they aren't against the idea of statues and monuments, rather they just want to replace them with their own hero's who are......cough cough, champions of equality, humanity and civil rights, such as Lenin, Stalin and Mao Zedong.

[Eric Loh]

Another own goal by Trump. His allies must be appalled with another polarizing dent. Majority of Americans want clear standards on when police officers use force and the consequences for officers who use excessive force. This disproportionate use of force will not sit well with the people and will do his re-election no good. GOPs will be quivering in apprehension that their seats are simply dangling by a thin thread

and regretting that they lost the chance to get rid of him. 

[wwest5829]

10 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

So, it's OK for cities to be destroyed in the name of free speech.

Do tell why law enforcement used purposely lacks identification if they are acting within the law?

[TooBigToFit]

10 hours ago, stevenl said:

This behaviour is very much reminiscent of that of thought police forces in countries like Russia, China, and others where free thought is not allowed.

And like that in Thailand. This happened during the coup. It also happened last month with on activist disappeared and presumed murdered at the hands of fascist royalists Thais.

[Mama Noodle]

8 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

Do tell why law enforcement used purposely lacks identification if they are acting within the law?

The big yellow “POLICE” patches and Department shoulder patches not enough?

 

Should they also politely ask antifa if the can be arrested too?

[Heppinger]

2 minutes ago, TooBigToFit said:

And like that in Thailand. This happened during the coup. It also happened last month with on activist disappeared and presumed murdered at the hands of fascist royalists Thais.

So fascist's have been living right next door to communists for the last 100 years to no consequence?  I think your confused.