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1 hour ago, bodga said:

A lot of the good  posters  have either left or been banned which TV no  longer show as  banned members so you  never  know if you message them, Bendix, Guesthouse et  al, always  good  posts.

I see alot of new posters lately, must of been open season on posters by mods.

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8 minutes ago, rob63 said:

What do you actually think international law is? It's a set of rules prescribed by the country with the strongest military. China has the strongest military, so it now makes the rules instead of USA. Learn to live with it!

you might have to learn to live with it if you live in los,that is if they don,t kick you out.

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2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

As we get older, we do not automatically become better versions of ourselves. So, unless we are making a real effort, or doing some sincere inner work, we tend to become grumpier and less fun to be around. Some of that is reflected here. 

I think as we get older we get more realistic about human kind and the 'human condition' and much less idealistic. We are a lot less influenced by others, by the media, by news generally, by advertising, so we are more cynical, as we start to see the world, and people,  as they really are and not as we would wish them to be, or expect them to be in our later years. I rather like this new (grumpy) self as I have got older, because I know for a fact that I cannot be taken advantage of, or hoodwinked as easily as in my youth. So if people don't like the new me, the older me, well then they can just <deleted> off  and leave me alone, I will not be offended.   

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12 hours ago, kingdong said:

what a wonderful return on the investment of your lives savings it must be to be wai,ed when you loan them money.p.s do you ever get it back?

Yes, they do repay loans, though they've only borrowed twice. 

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On 7/20/2020 at 8:53 PM, spidermike007 said:

There are multiple answers to your question. Number one. As we get older, we do not automatically become better versions of ourselves. So, unless we are making a real effort, or doing some sincere inner work, we tend to become grumpier and less fun to be around. Some of that is reflected here. 

 

Second, no matter where we move to, our selves follow. Greener horizons are fine, but we have to adapt to them. 

 

Third, it is all about perspective. Some just love to moan. Personally, I love most Thais. I find most friendly, warm, light hearted, humorous and pleasant. And I find the quality of life here to be fine. Infinitely better than back in the US, unless you are quite wealthy, and even then, you would still have to put up with the Zombie apocalypse, the sour and bitter attitudes, women who prefer to oppress their femininity, an overly PC culture, out of control inflation, and alot of other nonsense. Not fun! 

 

As far as the racism goes, I know alot of guys who are married to Thai women, and genuinely seem to dislike the Thai people. If you figure that one out, let me know. 

Your post started out great, but then, once again, you delve in your tirade against the USA and most of what you say is untrue.

 

How can you say out of control inflation when the subprime interest rate is <3%?

 

I think we get your point over and over and over that you cannot afford to live in the USA and are very bitter about that.

 

Sure Mike, no 20 year old woman in America is going to go out with a 60 year old.

 

There are lovely, fit, feminine women everywhere.

 

They just don't want a grandpa for a husband. Cannot blame them for that. 

 

Any person can find faults in any country in the world.

 

That is your right and your opinions, even if they are not true!

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8 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

Your post started out great, but then, once again, you delve in your tirade against the USA and most of what you say is untrue.

 

How can you say out of control inflation when the subprime interest rate is <3%?

 

I think we get your point over and over and over that you cannot afford to live in the USA and are very bitter about that.

 

Sure Mike, no 20 year old woman in America is going to go out with a 60 year old.

 

There are lovely, fit, feminine women everywhere.

 

They just don't want a grandpa for a husband. Cannot blame them for that. 

 

Any person can find faults in any country in the world.

 

That is your right and your opinions, even if they are not true!

Only someone living in the US, could be that defensive about it! 

 

Inflation has been out of control in the US for a long time. Not officially, of course. But, every time I go back there it is surprising how much basic staples have gone up. Not to mention highly overinflated housing and health care. 

 

As far as living back there, it would take alot. Maybe a million dollars a year, for five years? 

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13 hours ago, bwpage3 said:

Mike are you broke?

 

Food is probably cheaper here than at Tesco Lotus on many things.

 

Gas is cheaper.

 

Cars are cheaper.

 

Over inflated housing? You are really reaching.

 

Somehow Mike, there are millions of Americans making minimum wage that are able to find a place to live. It is not all doom and gloom.

 

Do expect to live Oceanfront for 10,000 baht a month?

 

Not sure what standard of living you think you deserve, however, we all work and can afford what our career's and life worked has afforded us.

 

If you cannot afford anything, either you are looking in Beverly Hills where you don't belong, or you never did any meaningful work for an income that lets you afford to live the way you want.

 

It's not the USA's fault.

 

I moved back to go back to work so I wouldn't be living a meager existence in Thailand. 

 

Have a beautiful home, cars, travel, go out to eat a lot and no I don't make anywhere near $1 million. Just a Joe Blow like everyone else.

 

You would be surprised how many uneducated Thai's I have run across in the USA with nice houses, driving a Benz.

 

 

That has not been my experience. I know alot of Americans working two jobs, trying to survive. They do not have a high quality of life. 

 

Thailand is still reasonable. It used to be cheap. Has not been cheap for a long time. But, it is still reasonable. I know people who pay 10,000 baht a month for newer 3 bedroom houses in nice towns. In major cities in the US? $2000-3800 a month. That is 120,000 baht!


I had my motorbike seat recently redone on my scooter. 400 baht. A friend of mine had similar work done in the US. $275.


I recently had a guy come over and insulate my ceiling. I bought the insulation and paid him 2000 baht for labor. In the US? $500 and up.


I recently had an electrician do some work on the house. Nearly a full day of work. Paid him 1000 baht. In the US? $800 and up.


An oil change for my scooter costs me 200 baht, with Castrol oil. In the US? 


When I travel here I stay in nice four star hotels in Bangkok. 1800-2000 baht. In the US? $130 for a crappy motel. $200 and up for a nice room.


I eat well here. In a smaller town you can get a three course meal for 200-250 baht. In the US? 2000 baht and up, plus tax and a nearly mandatory 15% tip.


I visit the emergency room here to see a specialist, and with x-rays I am out the door for 2000 baht, at a private hospital. In the US? $300-2000.


Friends of mine, who are single, enjoy the company of a young, beautiful woman for a couple of hours, for 2500 baht. In the US? $800 an hour now for a decent look gal, with alot of attitude. 


I could go on and on, all day long. I live at a level here, that I would never be able to live at, in the US, in most of Europe, in Oz, or Canada.


Yes, the higher baht is an annoyance. And yes things are more expensive than they used to be. But, it is very relative.

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24 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

That has not been my experience. I know alot of Americans working two jobs, trying to survive. They do not have a high quality of life. 

 

Thailand is still reasonable. It used to be cheap. Has not been cheap for a long time. But, it is still reasonable. I know people who pay 10,000 baht a month for newer 3 bedroom houses in nice towns. In major cities in the US? $2000-3800 a month. That is 120,000 baht!


I had my motorbike seat recently redone on my scooter. 400 baht. A friend of mine had similar work done in the US. $275.


I recently had a guy come over and insulate my ceiling. I bought the insulation and paid him 2000 baht for labor. In the US? $500 and up.


I recently had an electrician do some work on the house. Nearly a full day of work. Paid him 1000 baht. In the US? $800 and up.


An oil change for my scooter costs me 200 baht, with Castrol oil. In the US? 


When I travel here I stay in nice four star hotels in Bangkok. 1800-2000 baht. In the US? $130 for a crappy motel. $200 and up for a nice room.


I eat well here. In a smaller town you can get a three course meal for 200-250 baht. In the US? 2000 baht and up, plus tax and a nearly mandatory 15% tip.


I visit the emergency room here to see a specialist, and with x-rays I am out the door for 2000 baht, at a private hospital. In the US? $300-2000.


Friends of mine, who are single, enjoy the company of a young, beautiful woman for a couple of hours, for 2500 baht. In the US? $800 an hour now for a decent look gal, with alot of attitude. 


I could go on and on, all day long. I live at a level here, that I would never be able to live at, in the US, in most of Europe, in Oz, or Canada.


Yes, the higher baht is an annoyance. And yes things are more expensive than they used to be. But, it is very relative.

The cost of 'development' is high.

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33 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I recently had an electrician do some work on the house. Nearly a full day of work. Paid him 1000 baht. In the US? $800 and up.

I hope he did a proper job. I sometimes paid an "electrician" to do some work in the house as it wasn't my house and I needed someone to blame if it went wrong. I almost always had to redo their work as I didn't want to die of electrocution. Were not even able to join two pieces of wire properly.

My wife paid someone to do some welding on a gate. Gate fell off after they left- had to borrow welder and do it myself.

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18 hours ago, bwpage3 said:

Sure Mike, no 20 year old woman in America is going to go out with a 60 year old.

 

There are lovely, fit, feminine women everywhere.

I agree that there are lovely fit western women to be found, but "feminine"- doubt it. western women stopped being feminine when PC started sometime last century. Perhaps "looking feminine" but don't confuse with "being feminine", which is something Asian women have loads of. Millions of western men didn't come to LOS looking for loooove because western women were so "feminine".

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16 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I hope he did a proper job. I sometimes paid an "electrician" to do some work in the house as it wasn't my house and I needed someone to blame if it went wrong. I almost always had to redo their work as I didn't want to die of electrocution. Were not even able to join two pieces of wire properly.

My wife paid someone to do some welding on a gate. Gate fell off after they left- had to borrow welder and do it myself.

Outstanding work. As good as in the US. It is all about vetting contractors here. He came highly recommended. 

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On 7/20/2020 at 7:20 PM, jasperno said:

The dual pricing struck me as absolutely reeking of racism (or at least xenophobia / corruption). Whatever it is, it left a bad taste i struggled to get past.

Ditto. And the recent anti-foreigner rhetoric, though granted, this should be temporary and a knee jerk reaction to covid AND is not limited to Thailand either. Reports out of Vietnam suggest similar things are going on there.

 

Also, I am sick of the pollution (though it's seasonal and depends on the region...currently it's not too bad at all), bad driving at times (although it's better than it was 15-20 years ago I'll give them that), and what I perceive to be some selfish behavior on the part of some Thais.


I will say this though: only a minority of Thais are like this, and in my experience, driving standards in Thailand are far better than in neighboring Myanmar (where drivers are known to double and triple park, make u-turns right in front of you and basically have zero regard for your safety) or India/Bangladesh for that matter. Dual pricing is even worse in Myanmar than Thailand.

 

I could go on and on.

 

Thailand is actually pretty OK in my opinion. I offer constructive criticism when it's warranted because I would like to see things improve. At the same time, I have lower expectations here than say in the west simply because it's a developing country. Also, despite everything I know there are many places where things are far worse than here, exemplified by my examples.

 

Over on the Bangkok Post comments section - lots of delusional trolls who hate everything about Thailand and find fault even in the most positive news stories. Those are the sick people who need help I think.

 

There is one guy calling himself Dante1000 from Germany, who, 6 years after apparently being given the boot from Thailand continues to post anti-Thai posts every single day. He really is a sore loser. Even that had happened to me, I wouldn't waste my time getting angry about it. I would get on with my life.

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2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

That has not been my experience. I know alot of Americans working two jobs, trying to survive. They do not have a high quality of life. 

 

Thailand is still reasonable. It used to be cheap. Has not been cheap for a long time. But, it is still reasonable. I know people who pay 10,000 baht a month for newer 3 bedroom houses in nice towns. In major cities in the US? $2000-3800 a month. That is 120,000 baht!


I had my motorbike seat recently redone on my scooter. 400 baht. A friend of mine had similar work done in the US. $275.


I recently had a guy come over and insulate my ceiling. I bought the insulation and paid him 2000 baht for labor. In the US? $500 and up.


I recently had an electrician do some work on the house. Nearly a full day of work. Paid him 1000 baht. In the US? $800 and up.


An oil change for my scooter costs me 200 baht, with Castrol oil. In the US? 


When I travel here I stay in nice four star hotels in Bangkok. 1800-2000 baht. In the US? $130 for a crappy motel. $200 and up for a nice room.


I eat well here. In a smaller town you can get a three course meal for 200-250 baht. In the US? 2000 baht and up, plus tax and a nearly mandatory 15% tip.


I visit the emergency room here to see a specialist, and with x-rays I am out the door for 2000 baht, at a private hospital. In the US? $300-2000.


Friends of mine, who are single, enjoy the company of a young, beautiful woman for a couple of hours, for 2500 baht. In the US? $800 an hour now for a decent look gal, with alot of attitude. 


I could go on and on, all day long. I live at a level here, that I would never be able to live at, in the US, in most of Europe, in Oz, or Canada.


Yes, the higher baht is an annoyance. And yes things are more expensive than they used to be. But, it is very relative.

There you go again. Just because you have friends working 2 jobs. Come on man. Who do you think man's all the minimum wage jobs across America. Not a couple of your friends. Millions and millions of people. You judge a country of 330,000,000 people on a few friends? You might have to work 10 jobs to afford a real house in Bangkok!

 

Comparing a 3 bedroom house in a town in Thailand to a major city in the USA. How much is a newer 3 bedroom HOME in Bangkok? Not condo!

 

Your friend is driving a scooter in the USA same as yours? I doubt it. Maybe he has a real motorcycle with a real leather seat?

 

Mike most people I know are pretty hands on, learned how to use tools and do things around the house from their Dad's. Pretty easy to roll out insulation if your are not lazy.

 

I had my entire garage wired for 20 amp service with (4) 4 bay outlets. US $200. You probably do not know anyone in the trades or anyone that can do anything for themselves. 

 

450 baht for an entire oil change for a car in the US. Do you even own a car?

 

PS to change the oil in a scooter, you can probably do that yourself in like 2 minutes or less. That oil plug is not rocket science.

 

You eat well? How many 5 star restaurants have you eaten at lately? Had any good steak with lobster tails, scallops and fried clams? Veal Parmigiana? Lamb? BBQ? Do you own a gas grill? Grill your own meats? Have friends over for some BBQ and a few beers? Or eat the same exact Thai food year in and year out?

 

Friends of your's have to pay for sex? Wow, to travel half-way around the world to pay for sex. Ever wonder why HUMAN trafficking and prostitution is against the law in many countries?

 

Ever heard of company health insurance? VA? Medicare?

 

I don't know what you did in your life, but it appears you didn't do things most men do to afford a life.

 

From your own statements, it appears the way you complain about money, that you don't have any.

 

You are very bitter and I suspect it is because you cannot afford to live in your own country or else you want to live in Beverly Hills and can't afford to.

 

Glad that you can make due in Thailand Mike

 

Your whole existence seems to be people you know.

 

People that work 2 jobs and can't make it, people that pay 10,000 baht for a house, people that pay prostitutes

 

Who know everyone according to you

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, drbeach said:

Ditto. And the recent anti-foreigner rhetoric, though granted, this should be temporary and a knee jerk reaction to covid AND is not limited to Thailand either. Reports out of Vietnam suggest similar things are going on there.

 

Also, I am sick of the pollution (though it's seasonal and depends on the region...currently it's not too bad at all), bad driving at times (although it's better than it was 15-20 years ago I'll give them that), and what I perceive to be some selfish behavior on the part of some Thais.


I will say this though: only a minority of Thais are like this, and in my experience, driving standards in Thailand are far better than in neighboring Myanmar (where drivers are known to double and triple park, make u-turns right in front of you and basically have zero regard for your safety) or India/Bangladesh for that matter. Dual pricing is even worse in Myanmar than Thailand.

 

I could go on and on.

 

Thailand is actually pretty OK in my opinion. I offer constructive criticism when it's warranted because I would like to see things improve. At the same time, I have lower expectations here than say in the west simply because it's a developing country. Also, despite everything I know there are many places where things are far worse than here, exemplified by my examples.

 

Over on the Bangkok Post comments section - lots of delusional trolls who hate everything about Thailand and find fault even in the most positive news stories. Those are the sick people who need help I think.

 

There is one guy calling himself Dante1000 from Germany, who, 6 years after apparently being given the boot from Thailand continues to post anti-Thai posts every single day. He really is a sore loser. Even that had happened to me, I wouldn't waste my time getting angry about it. I would get on with my life.

Only a minority of Thai's are like this? 

How many of the 60,000,000+ Thai's do you know to claim this as fact?

 

Thailand has been a developing country for the past 30+ years. The thing is, it is developing in the wrong direction. Pollution is a nasty by-product of development when no one cares what the outcome is besides putting money in their own pocket from the next billion dollar corruption project. Shang-Hai China comes to mind. What happens when the pollution in Thailand gets that bad?

 

Annual Thai road deaths should be enough evidence to convince anyone how poor Thai drivers are.

 

What is worse? The delusional troll that experienced Thailand and tells the truth?

 

Or the delusion trolls living in a one room flat at age 60, paying for sex thinking they are living in Paradise?

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Outstanding work. As good as in the US. It is all about vetting contractors here. He came highly recommended. 

As good as the US?

 

He probably didn't go to school for a couple of years, work 5+ years as an apprentice, take a state board to pass to get an electrical license?

 

Did a state inspector come out and sign off his work?

 

Do they even have an electrical code that anyone follows?

 

How do you know he did a good job if you had to hire him?

 

Vetting contractors? You speak fluent Thai? Did you see his certificates and licenses? Does he have any?

 

He came highly recommended from who? Some more of your friends? You already stated it is all about vetting contractors which isn't true.

 

And as far as being as good as in the USA?

 

 

 

 

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I think that I have mentioned this before on TVF, but my family (Wife's family) still refer to me as 'the Farang', and that's after 23/4 years.  It is in no way a racist term to them, it's just the way they find easiest to refer to me.  The younger members call me 'Uncle', but pre fix it with 'Farang Uncle', to differentiate me from their other uncles. They would not, in their eyes,  insult me by called me by my first name as they see this as disrespectful.  We also have two nieces in the family called Noi, so one is referred to as 'White Noi', due to her white skin and the other 'Black Noi'.  Again, nothing racist about it. I think a lot of foreigners in Thailand need to leave their Western heads in the freezer when considering what racism means here, or doesn't mean. 

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4 hours ago, Pilotman said:

I think that I have mentioned this before on TVF, but my family (Wife's family) still refer to me as 'the Farang', and that's after 23/4 years.  It is in no way a racist term to them, it's just the way they find easiest to refer to me.  The younger members call me 'Uncle', but pre fix it with 'Farang Uncle', to differentiate me from their other uncles. They would not, in their eyes,  insult me by called me by my first name as they see this as disrespectful.  We also have two nieces in the family called Noi, so one is referred to as 'White Noi', due to her white skin and the other 'Black Noi'.  Again, nothing racist about it. I think a lot of foreigners in Thailand need to leave their Western heads in the freezer when considering what racism means here, or doesn't mean. 

It took 11 years for my brother in law to call me by my name.

 

My father in law still speaks through my wife.

 

I don't think he has ever called me anything.

 

He does call our son by his name and I suspect that is because he can speak the Isaan dialect, where I cannot.

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7 hours ago, bwpage3 said:

There you go again. Just because you have friends working 2 jobs. Come on man. Who do you think man's all the minimum wage jobs across America. Not a couple of your friends. Millions and millions of people. You judge a country of 330,000,000 people on a few friends? You might have to work 10 jobs to afford a real house in Bangkok!

 

Comparing a 3 bedroom house in a town in Thailand to a major city in the USA. How much is a newer 3 bedroom HOME in Bangkok? Not condo!

 

Your friend is driving a scooter in the USA same as yours? I doubt it. Maybe he has a real motorcycle with a real leather seat?

 

Mike most people I know are pretty hands on, learned how to use tools and do things around the house from their Dad's. Pretty easy to roll out insulation if your are not lazy.

 

I had my entire garage wired for 20 amp service with (4) 4 bay outlets. US $200. You probably do not know anyone in the trades or anyone that can do anything for themselves. 

 

450 baht for an entire oil change for a car in the US. Do you even own a car?

 

PS to change the oil in a scooter, you can probably do that yourself in like 2 minutes or less. That oil plug is not rocket science.

 

You eat well? How many 5 star restaurants have you eaten at lately? Had any good steak with lobster tails, scallops and fried clams? Veal Parmigiana? Lamb? BBQ? Do you own a gas grill? Grill your own meats? Have friends over for some BBQ and a few beers? Or eat the same exact Thai food year in and year out?

 

Friends of your's have to pay for sex? Wow, to travel half-way around the world to pay for sex. Ever wonder why HUMAN trafficking and prostitution is against the law in many countries?

 

Ever heard of company health insurance? VA? Medicare?

 

I don't know what you did in your life, but it appears you didn't do things most men do to afford a life.

 

From your own statements, it appears the way you complain about money, that you don't have any.

 

You are very bitter and I suspect it is because you cannot afford to live in your own country or else you want to live in Beverly Hills and can't afford to.

 

Glad that you can make due in Thailand Mike

 

Your whole existence seems to be people you know.

 

People that work 2 jobs and can't make it, people that pay 10,000 baht for a house, people that pay prostitutes

 

Who know everyone according to you

 

 

 

 

 

 

It seems to me he is saying that you can get work done in Thailand cheaper than in the USA.  It seems to me that must be for two reasons: because people in ThIland are willing to work more hours for international products, and because international markets will pay less for labour in Thailand than In the USA. Otherwise, people would migrate to the higher paying exporting jobs, and wages would rise generally in Thailand.

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10 hours ago, drbeach said:

Ditto. And the recent anti-foreigner rhetoric, though granted, this should be temporary and a knee jerk reaction to covid AND is not limited to Thailand either. Reports out of Vietnam suggest similar things are going on there.

 

Also, I am sick of the pollution (though it's seasonal and depends on the region...currently it's not too bad at all), bad driving at times (although it's better than it was 15-20 years ago I'll give them that), and what I perceive to be some selfish behavior on the part of some Thais.


I will say this though: only a minority of Thais are like this, and in my experience, driving standards in Thailand are far better than in neighboring Myanmar (where drivers are known to double and triple park, make u-turns right in front of you and basically have zero regard for your safety) or India/Bangladesh for that matter. Dual pricing is even worse in Myanmar than Thailand.

 

I could go on and on.

 

Thailand is actually pretty OK in my opinion. I offer constructive criticism when it's warranted because I would like to see things improve. At the same time, I have lower expectations here than say in the west simply because it's a developing country. Also, despite everything I know there are many places where things are far worse than here, exemplified by my examples.

 

Over on the Bangkok Post comments section - lots of delusional trolls who hate everything about Thailand and find fault even in the most positive news stories. Those are the sick people who need help I think.

 

Therregarding life in thailande is one guy calling himself Dante1000 from Germany, who, 6 years after apparently being given the boot from Thailand continues to post anti-Thai posts every single day. He really is a sore loser. Even that had happened to me, I wouldn't waste my time getting angry about it. I would get on with my life.

regarding life in thailand,i think one should look at whats happening between china and the usa,when it escalates whose side will thailand be on? there is also the effects of the corona virus on thailand and the world economy which is going to get a whole lot worse before it starts to get better,just hope when things escalate the farangs aren,t blamed.

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7 hours ago, PoodThaiMaiDai said:

It is my belief that "racism" is the most overused word right now.

 

I believe "stereotype" is more appropriate.

 

We all use stereotypes for different cultures and countries.

 

Not all of us are racist.

Like substituting 'differently able' to disabled?

Languages are beautiful. The more you are fluent, the more beautiful you can present.

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