Seven people missing after Koh Samui ferry capsizes

[khunkarl]

25 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

Despite your "seaman" background, you seem blissfully unaware of te significance of this vessel being a R0 -Ro.

 

nothing to do with whether it is carrying cars or trucks or called cargo not passenger - the physical state of the vessel remains the same and that is the crucial point here.

I've been working at sea on various vessels for 20 years. You?

[GAZZPA]

2 minutes ago, khunkarl said:

I've been working at sea on various vessels for 20 years. You?

You 2 playing "my Dad's bigger then your Dad"? ???? You need a tape measure to compare the next bit..

[khunkarl]

3 minutes ago, khunkarl said:

I've been working at sea on various vessels for 20 years. You?

Besides a RoRo vessel is not necessary a ferry but a cargo or passenger ship! We split hairs all day but I've got other things to do.

[Airbagwill]

13 minutes ago, khunkarl said:

I've been working at sea on various vessels for 20 years. You?

Since the 70s but unlikely;ike many seaman I am capable of critical thinking and analysis - you seem to have learned little from your time at sea, but then that isn't unusual.

[keystonecoppers2]

 

 

                    GAZZPA!

 

           Yes, I am. and you will see it happen again and again!

[Airbagwill]

6 hours ago, khunkarl said:

I've been working at sea on various vessels for 20 years. You?

You really don't get it do you - its the message not the messenger and you simply don';t understand so you think that by clamming to work at sea gives some kind of credence to your argument when in fact all it shows is that you are all at sea.0n this.

[keystonecoppers2]

 

 

                     Airbagwill!

 

      Please, enlightning me what knowledge you have about how ships

      behave in different circumstancies, regarding storms, or other difficult

      problems, rising in high sea or even in dead calm waters.

      44 years at sea, I`ve seen everything. I can show you pictures of a car ship

      capsize in the port of Antwerp, when being alongside, and tied up!

      The reason for this? Loading or discharging cars, the Chief Officer must be

      at the panel that opens or shut valves, that will keep the ship at even keel,

      operating the ballast-system, filling or empty the tanks as the op. goes on.

      He failed! Simple as that! And risking others life. People working in the engine,

      what chance do they have, going about their business, maybe a piston overhaul,

      and suddenly their world turns upside down, literally! Absolute terror!!

      The ship was a Grimaldi car ship. You might find something if you googling,

      or mayby not, not good PR to be on youtube for the company.

   

     I can tell you, you have NOTHING to teach me, regarding Safety at Sea!

 

       Cheers! 

      

[keystonecoppers2]

 

 

                       Airbagwill!

 

         One more thing: Yes, working at sea for many years gives you

         credential, simply because you learn all the time. Life is a school,

         it don`t end when you go out of ordinary school before 20-yearsome.

         Every day you learn something (if you want).

 

[Redline]

“We take safety seriously, number one, safety first!”

TAT

[thaibeachlovers]

On 8/2/2020 at 4:14 PM, Tropicalevo said:

I have not been on a Raja ferry for a while, but I am sure that they do carry lifejackets. Whether the passengers wear them or not is another thing.

Looking at some photos on another thread, I cannot see any lifejackets on the people in the water.

 

 

This was not a passenger ferry, apparently, so will it have had life jackets?

[khunPer]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

This was not a passenger ferry, apparently, so will it have had life jackets?

I think it's a normal ferry, but old, and now used for transporting lorries. Probably the ferry had life saving equipment, and according to other posters and photos it might be out of date, however it could still be working.

 

I presume any boat will always have life saving equipment for crew and number of souls onboard...????

 

The photo here from the first night of the accident shows both inflatable boats and life jackets...

Source:

 

[animatic]

On 8/3/2020 at 12:16 AM, Albert Zweistein said:

If not he gets sacked !

Sacked beats dead.

But the owners lose their ship.

they should no better but of course they don’t.

 

[Airbagwill]

On 8/3/2020 at 5:24 PM, keystonecoppers2 said:

 

 

                       Airbagwill!

 

         One more thing: Yes, working at sea for many years gives you

         credential, simply because you learn all the time. Life is a school,

         it don`t end when you go out of ordinary school before 20-yearsome.

         Every day you learn something (if you want).

 

Obviously unaware of the Dunning Kruger affect

 

It is quite obvious that people in jobs for a long time mistake "experience" for knowledge or learning - basically they never realise how little they know.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 8/5/2020 at 5:26 PM, khunPer said:

I think it's a normal ferry, but old, and now used for transporting lorries. Probably the ferry had life saving equipment, and according to other posters and photos it might be out of date, however it could still be working.

 

I presume any boat will always have life saving equipment for crew and number of souls onboard..

Back when I traveled regularly on those big car ferries I always carried my own inflatable life preserver, as I never saw any life jackets and the inflatable lifeboats were obviously not functional.

Good to see from the photo that things have improved.

As long as they could radio for help it wasn't going to be long before a rescue vessel turned up, as so many vessels in that area.

Edited August 17, 2020 by thaibeachlovers