UK concerned by rise in small boats crossing from France, immigration official says

[CG1 Blue]

On 8/8/2020 at 2:58 PM, Bluespunk said:

On 8/8/2020 at 2:53 PM, CG1 Blue said:

So what percentage of the migrants crossing the channel to the UK are women? It would be nice if you could copy/paste the relevant bits to save everyone having to trawl though whole articles. 

 

No. 
 

It is enough to know it is false to claim most refugees are young men. 

The story is about migrants entering the UK illegally on boats (having passed through several safe countries already). So let's focus on that rather than your general point about global migration. 

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, CG1 Blue said:

The story is about migrants entering the UK illegally on boats (having passed through several safe countries already). So let's focus on that rather than your general point about global migration. 

No, I won’t.

 

The refugee crisis is a worldwide issue. 
 

The claim that young men form bulk of refugees is patently false. 

Edited August 10, 2020 by Bluespunk

[CorpusChristie]

3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

No, I won’t.

 

The refugee crisis is a worldwide issue. 
 

The claim that young men form bulk of refugees is patently false. 

What is the percentage of refugees in regards to gender ?

What is the percentage split between males and females ? 

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

What is the percentage of refugees in regards to gender ?

What is the percentage split between males and females ? 

Already posted links to this information on this thread. 

[mokwit]

15 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

No, I won’t.

 

The refugee crisis is a worldwide issue. 
 

The claim that young men form bulk of refugees is patently false. 

The claims that they were "families fleeing war", that they were "Syrian" that they were "Doctors* and Engineers" (the odd Syrian Particle Physicist), that they were "unaccompanied children" was just deliberately misrepresentative propaganda.

 

*Of the 1.8m refugees processed in Germany, 47 were Doctors

Edited August 10, 2020 by mokwit

[CorpusChristie]

7 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Already posted links to this information on this thread. 

"By October 2015, women comprised 18%, 12% and 15% of Syrian, Afghan and Iraqi asylum seekers respectively."

 

   This ^ ?

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, mokwit said:

The claims that they were "families fleeing war", that they were "Syrian" that they were "Doctors and Engineers" (the odd Syrian Particle Physicist), that they were "unaccompanied children" was just unrepresentative propaganda.

 In the current refugee crisis the evidence and facts show that the claim that the bulk of refugees are young men is false

[Heppinger]

Bigots, xenophobes, racists, homophobes, transphobes and other isms and phobias look at these poor migrant children and have a brain.... i mean HEART.

[mokwit]

3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

current refugee crisis

What refugee crisis? I just see economic migrants trying to get to UK.

[Bluespunk]

7 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

"By October 2015, women comprised 18%, 12% and 15% of Syrian, Afghan and Iraqi asylum seekers respectively."

 

   This ^ ?

Oh dear, selective quoting again, you really think I don’t read through the links I post?

 

Would you care to quote what followed that...tell you what, let me save you the trouble

 

“Between 2000 and 2015, the number of international migrants has increased by 41 per cent to reach 244 million. Almost half of them are women”

[CorpusChristie]

5 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

 In the current refugee crisis the evidence and facts show that the claim that the bulk of refugees are young men is false

The gender split overall was 72% male, 28% female."

 

 

https://fullfact.org/immigration/ask-full-fact-are-asylum-seekers-mostly-men/

[Bluespunk]

Just now, mokwit said:

What refugee crisis? I just see economic migrants trying to get to UK.

Ah huh, well I disagree with what you choose to see. 

[mokwit]

1 minute ago, Heppinger said:

Bigots, xenophobes, racists, homophobes, transphobes and other isms and phobias look at these poor migrant children and have a brain.... i mean HEART.

The war and the arduous journey made them grow up fast. HTH

[Bluespunk]

Just now, CorpusChristie said:

The gender split overall was 72% male, 28% female."

 

 

https://fullfact.org/immigration/ask-full-fact-are-asylum-seekers-mostly-men/

See post #272

[Heppinger]

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

Oh dear, selective quoting again, you really think I don’t read through the links I post?

 

Would you care to quote what followed that...tell you what, let me save you the trouble

 

“Between 2000 and 2015, the number of international migrants has increased by 41 per cent to reach 244 million. Almost half of them are women”

what does "almost" mean?

[mokwit]

2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Ah huh, well I disagree with what you choose to see. 

They are fleeing war torn France - there is something akin to the Dunkirk evacuation going on? No? then they are economic migrants.

 

Did you believe it last time when there were 6 flights a week from Stockhom to Baghdad for people fleeing persecution in Iraq to go back once they had lodged their claim with the Swedish authorities? Think it possible you are being played for a fool by schemers who have got it all worked out.

Edited August 10, 2020 by mokwit

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

Oh dear, selective quoting again, you really think I don’t read through the links I post?

 

Would you care to quote what followed that...tell you what, let me save you the trouble

 

“Between 2000 and 2015, the number of international migrants has increased by 41 per cent to reach 244 million. Almost half of them are women”

Are we talking about "migrants "now ?

Lets keep on topic and the question is *What is the gender divide in regards to asylum seekers coming to the UK by boat from France * 

 What percentage are Males  is the question 

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, Heppinger said:

what does "almost" mean?

Ask the authors. 

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Are we talking about "migrants "now ?

Lets keep on topic and the question is *What is the gender divide in regards to asylum seekers coming to the UK by boat from France * 

 What percentage are Males  is the question 

No, we are talking about refugees. They may be migrating but they are doing so as refugees fleeing war, violence and failed states. 

Edited August 10, 2020 by Bluespunk

[Bluespunk]

4 minutes ago, mokwit said:

They are fleeing war torn France - there is something akin to the Dunkirk evacuation going on? No? then they are economic migrants.

Nope. 

[mokwit]

Just now, Bluespunk said:

No, we are talking about refugees. 

Again, think it possible you are being played for a fool by schemers who have got it all worked out.

[CorpusChristie]

Just now, Bluespunk said:

No, we are talking about refugees. 

Why did you give figures for migrants then ?

[Bluespunk]

Just now, mokwit said:

Again, think it possible you are being played for a fool by schemers who have got it all worked out.

Nope. 

[Bluespunk]

Just now, CorpusChristie said:

Why did you give figures for migrants then ?

Read rest of post. 

[mokwit]

2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

No, we are talking about refugees. 

Refugees from what? War, persecution or just from a country with less prospects than the UK?

Edited August 10, 2020 by mokwit

[Bluespunk]

Just now, mokwit said:

Refugees from what? War, persecution or just from a countryy with less prospects than the UK?

The former. 

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

Read rest of post. 

Will that explain why you gave figures on migrants , when we were discussing asylum seekers ?

Was you trying to be deceptive and hoped that no one would notice ?

[mokwit]

Just now, Bluespunk said:

The former. 

Some may be - Pakistani Christians are legitimately fleeing persecution IMO, but when the Austrian authorities rejected 2000 people in one day for having fake Syrian documents you realise many are coattailing on sympathy for the genuine refugee.

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

Will that explain why you gave figures on migrants , when we were discussing asylum seekers ?

Was you trying to be deceptive and hoped that no one would notice ?

Nope, I was highlighting the facts to expose false claims. 

Edited August 10, 2020 by Bluespunk

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, mokwit said:

Some may be - Pakistani Christians are legitimately fleeing persecution IMO, but when the Austrian authorities rejected 2000 people in one day for having fake Syrian documents you realise many are coattailing on sympathy for the genuine refugee.

No, I am pointing out the facts that expose false claims being peddled about the current refugee crisis.