Just now, bert bloggs said:

so why is it always the men fleeing ,very,very few women and children ,if there is war MEN stay and fight for their women and children.

Already posted the facts in links on this thread that show what you say above is false. 

4 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

No, what I do is point out the realities of why refugees flee.
 

You can’t refute that so you deflect. 

The reality is that's part of the DNA of their countries to keep their people poor and ignorant, so that they can submit them using religious beliefs. The more ignorant the better. The more the population is booming the better. It's the norm.

Now I don't see why we should sponsor these regimes and their populations.

1 minute ago, Opl said:

The reality is that's part of the DNA of their countries to keep their people poor and ignorant, so that they can submit them using religious beliefs. The more ignorant the better. The more the population is booming the better. It's the norm.

Now I don't see why we should sponsor these regimes and their populations.

Pseudoscience nonsense in opening sentences. Didn’t read beyond them. 

2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Already posted the facts in links on this thread that show what you say above is false. 

the pictures do not lie ,always men ,you know it we all know it ,

Just now, bert bloggs said:

the pictures do not lie ,always men ,you know it we all know it ,

Pictures can and frequently do lie. 

Just now, Bluespunk said:

Pictures can and frequently do lie. 

by by ,must be nice in your rose tinted world .

2 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

by by ,must be nice in your rose tinted world .

More deflection. 

31 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

More deflection. 

no i had a bath ,now off for my tea by by

40 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

the pictures do not lie ,always men ,you know it we all know it ,

Except the pictures show many women and children.

 

Even The Mail acknowledges that: A newborn baby, a heavily-pregnant woman and children are among 120 migrants to land in Kent today

46 minutes ago, Opl said:

The reality is that's part of the DNA of their countries to keep their people poor and ignorant, so that they can submit them using religious beliefs. The more ignorant the better. The more the population is booming the better. It's the norm.

Now I don't see why we should sponsor these regimes and their populations.

Are you talking about the UK now?

3 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Except the pictures show many women and children.

 

Even The Mail acknowledges that: A newborn baby, a heavily-pregnant woman and children are among 120 migrants to land in Kent today

Oh boy one woman and a couple of kids and about 117 men landed today ,oh sorry ,i did not realise so many women and children arrived????

7 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Are you talking about the UK now?

I'm talking about countries that produce " asylum seekers" " fake asylum seekers - real economic migrants - documented or not." since decades, poor countries with booming populations - mostly uneducated. 

Yesterday French border police found 8 illegal migrants - half of them minors - Bengalis and Pakistanis - hidden in a truck, from Italy... just 1 example - destination : the UK..

Edited August 9, 20205 yr by Opl

11 hours ago, simon43 said:

Why worry about these illegals?  The UK is beyond hope.  It is a cesspool.  Enoch would turn in his grave.  I'm proud to be English and am amazed at what I see and read about the UK in the news, (not just concerning immigration).  I'm happy that I left 20 years ago.....

Obviously not been back lately and relying on secondhand accounts.

I have been following this thread and others ,it seems we have about 4 souls on here who are all for the invasion of Britain by these  deserters from their lands ,wonder what would have happened if all the men in Britain had run away when war broke out .

I know the usual people will come on and talk about "deflection" or how that is not the same ,but if life is so bad in their countrys ,and i see that most of these countrys are mainly Muslim ones ,why do they not head for a Muslim country or to the first safe place? why do they insist on coming to lands where most of the inhabitants dont want them? 

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Obviously not been back lately and relying on secondhand accounts.

I go back every year ,some country parts are still lovely ,but most of the old large  working class towns are ,foreign lands ,London is a cesspit ,why even today i read three men chase another down Oxford street with a Machete and hack him to death,thats not the London i spent my youth in .

4 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

I go back every year ,some country parts are still lovely ,but most of the old large  working class towns are ,foreign lands ,London is a cesspit ,why even today i read three men chase another down Oxford street with a Machete and hack him to death,thats not the London i spent my youth in .

“London is a cesspit”

 

Righty-O

 

 

Illegal immigration is a problem; and a growing one, which needs to be dealt with; but humanely. This is the UK, a civilised country. We have a history of accepting refugees going back at least to Dutch Protestants fleeing Spanish persecution in the 16th century. 

 

But I am not saying that we should simply welcome this current lot. Obviously each case has to be looked at and assessed. Chancers should be sent back; but the genuine should be allowed to remain.

 

Those who don't surrender to the authorities should, when caught, be confined in Immigration Detention Centres until their cases are decided.

 

Of course, placing every migrant/refugee/asylum seeker, call them what you will, in IDCs would require the building of many more.

 

Sending them straight back to France, without at least the agreement of the French government, would be breaking international law.

 

"If a boat carrying people is found within national waters it's fairly clear-cut - that country has a duty to rescue them to a place of safety.

In international waters, it's slightly less clear and may vary on a case by case basis. But there is still a legal obligation to rescue those in distress and take them to a place of safety

(source)"

 

Could the French do more? Certainly. But it is not just their problem.

 

After Brexit is complete and the UK is no longer subject to the Dublin Agreement, the French will not be obliged to do anything. We need their cooperation and Patel trashing the French rather than talking to them doesn't help!

Edited August 9, 20205 yr by 7by7
typos

20 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

Oh boy one woman and a couple of kids and about 117 men landed today ,oh sorry ,i did not realise so many women and children arrived????

That is not what the Mail article says.

 

You should read articles before commenting on them; stops you looking so foolish.

11 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

I go back every year ,some country parts are still lovely ,but most of the old large  working class towns are ,foreign lands ,London is a cesspit ,why even today i read three men chase another down Oxford street with a Machete and hack him to death,thats not the London i spent my youth in .

Rose tinted glasses.

 

Lot's of gang crime back then!

 

What about the Krays and Richardsons, to name just two? 

 

What about razor gangs?

 

How about football hooliganism?

 

1 minute ago, 7by7 said:

Rose tinted glasses.

 

Lot's of gang crime back then!

 

What about the Krays and Richardsons, to name just two? 

 

What about razor gangs?

 

How about football hooliganism?

 

Funny you should mention this.....my father, born 1918, told me he was sat (as a kid) on a charabanc listening to two old guys bemoaning the violence and gangs in Liverpool, how the whole situation was totally out of control and how they could only see things getting worse.....(ha! Some might say they were right I guess)

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Why do the left condone illegal activity, what message are we sending out by rewarding illegal behaviour. If migrants want to come to our country let them do it legally, it's not that difficult.

Have you ever tried taking your thai wife to the UK?

3 minutes ago, tebee said:

Have you ever tried taking your thai wife to the UK?

Now that is fun......might get a Schengen visa next time, fly to France and get a dinghy across the channel ......quicker, cheaper and easier.

On 8/8/2020 at 12:04 PM, Orton Rd said:

concerned but not enough to do anything about it, apart from giving them 40 quid a week, putting them up in 4 star hotels and providing free meals, wi fi and medical services. Hardy a way to discourage thousands more is it? Nigel Farage even proves a party of these illegal immigrants were given a tour of Liverpool FC, total insanity.

Interesting,  Do they get room service do you know?????

7 minutes ago, tebee said:

Have you ever tried taking your thai wife to the UK?

By dinghy?

10 minutes ago, vogie said:

By dinghy?

It might be easier.....

7 minutes ago, tebee said:

It might be easier.....

So are you condoning illegal immigrants entering the UK. 

Would you let some-one you didn't know babysit for your children, I know I wouldn't.

 

2 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Rose tinted glasses.

 

Lot's of gang crime back then!

 

What about the Krays and Richardsons, to name just two? 

 

What about razor gangs?

 

How about football hooliganism?

 

and out comes the old chestnut ,The Krays and the Richardsons, yes they killed each other ,they did not run wild in the streets knifing each other ,oh whats the use ,none so blind as those who do not want to see.

2 hours ago, tebee said:

Have you ever tried taking your thai wife to the UK?

yes i did ,we lived there for 7 years???? before coming back here .

8 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

and out comes the old chestnut ,The Krays and the Richardsons, yes they killed each other ,they did not run wild in the streets knifing each other ,oh whats the use ,none so blind as those who do not want to see.

Gangs of today only fight with each other as well, as do all other gangs , gangs dont go around attacking random people and if you arent in a gang, you will not have any issues with them 

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

Gangs of today only fight with each other as well, as do all other gangs , gangs dont go around attacking random people and if you arent in a gang, you will not have any issues with them 

Trouble is ,there are hundreds of them ,and they are on the whole not original native British(you just have to look in the papers at their pictures to see that) and they fight and kill amongst the ordinary people , but we all know it ,just some will never admit it but will make excuses . anyway the wife is calling ,my hot chocolate is on the table ,so night night ,and dont let the illegals bite