mtls2005 27021 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 6 hours ago, Jingthing said: Herd immunity gained from both the already infected and the vaccinated eventually means the pandemic phase of the virus is over and with that the extreme measures would be over as well. or at least until the next novel virus. H2N2, H1N1, we got a bit lucky, Covid-19 less so. Between a limited efficacy, multiple applications (two, annual booster) and cost, I think Herders, Hoaxers and Anti-Vaxxers will somewhat limit the effectiveness of a vacine in the U.S. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KonaRain 104 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 20 hours ago, RangerP703 said: shut up and take my money. when its available I'll be there the morning day 1. I had to quote to get the box to appear to comment! My young (40's) neighbor told me his Dad got very hurt by the polio virus, physically.. Then he told me about the 'virus Court's okay, NPR was talking about the billion dollars to give Moderna?, I forget, then they have to buy many doses. A scientific, good blind?, test has to be 50%,effective, therefore no guarantee of immunity for Me or Thou.. Alohaas (Hey, no worry about Bill G, had him in my 4 Seasons taxi, nice folks!) Young people believe everything! Alohoho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkered flag 1074 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, BritManToo said: I don't have one. Look on you forehead, it's probably there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elkski 2001 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 I will take it after some time so we get more data. I don't trust this fast track process. If I needed to travel that may change my priorities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkered flag 1074 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, mtls2005 said: or at least until the next novel virus. H2N2, H1N1, we got a bit lucky, Covid-19 less so. Between a limited efficacy, multiple applications (two, annual booster) and cost, I think Herders, Hoaxers and Anti-Vaxxers will somewhat limit the effectiveness of a vacine in the U.S. Hopefully we will learn and be better prepared for the next one. A strategic stock pile of essential meds, PPEs, and medical equipment should never be in a depleted state. Also a proactive plan to quickly limit the spread. Because these things were ignored in past administrations and a lot of catch up was needed. I was part of disaster preparation group at a large hospital in the US. We did regular inventory checks to assure amounts and proper rotation of supplies, disaster drills, etc. At the year 2000 there were fears of computer and electrical outages. We had 1) regular and local emergency electrical services covered; 2) Our back up generators were rechecked (beyond regular checks); 3) we brought in additional generators on trucks. Back up to our computer system we up to date and we were prepared to move to manual systems. Each department had to do inventory checks to assure adequate supplies. All department managers and directors were on 30 minute notice to come in. It wasn't a waste of time and taught us all about planning and teamwork. We were fortunate that non of our efforts were needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo 62282 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 14 minutes ago, checkered flag said: Hopefully we will learn and be better prepared for the next one. Wouldn't it just be easier to ban Chinese from entering other countries? Almost all new disease comes from China. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgenon 1953 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 22 hours ago, dinsdale said: The glaring flaw in this questionare is the assumption there WILL be a vaccine. This is not a given. There will be some kind of vaccine. The US government has ordered a bunch before the testing. But what type and how effective it/they will be is open to question. Also an antibody vaccine is close. Cheap and plentiful. How long it will last is unknown at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suua 394 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 "Wouldn't it just be easier to ban Chinese from entering other countries? Almost all new disease comes from China." Gets my vote......you are absolutely correct....They've done it 4 times in the last 60 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkside Gray 836 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 If it was a Chinese vaccine then the chances of me taking it would be 0% western 100% yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KohKood 66 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 For any uneducated person, far away from reality, that laughed at me because I said that there are already programs that will make sure everyone on this <deleted> earth will get the COVID(CertificateOfVaccinationIdentificationDocument)-vaccine, I attached the picture. I would kindly request a reaction to that, that includes more than a „tinfoil-wearing conspiracy theorist“-comment And here you have a scientific study that proves than unvaccinated children are generally more healthy than vaccinated children: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2050312120925344 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jak2002003 6347 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 15 hours ago, KohKood said: Ah yes, one question for all these people here shouting about conspiracies and tinfoil-hats: Bill Gates mentioned several times that he thinks the world is overpopulated and the amount of people should be descreased drastically. Fact, you can see videos of him talking about this at TED and so on. So IF this Coronavirus is really as dangerous and only the vaccine will keep the people from dying in masses, WHY a guy who wanna decrease world population should force the vaccine?! It just makes no fukkin sense. Don't think he wants to cull people or have them die from diseases in order to reduce the population. The population can be decreased by using birth control. I also agree that their are too many of us humans...and we are putting a massive strain on the worlds resources and natural environment. If the population continues to increase this will just get worse and cause suffering to us humans. I believe in vaccines...so long as they are rigourously tested and also studies for their long term effects. So I would not get the vaccine straight awaym .but rather wait a few years to check it's safety. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal 10010 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Never mind Covid. How many of the posters of the above 191 posts have been vaccinated against Pneumonia? Vaccines already available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max69xl 2767 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 On 8/9/2020 at 8:03 AM, meechai said: No...Have never taken any flu vaccines H1N1/SARS etc & do not see myself taking this one either Not against it in any way & am glad it is there for those that want it You're not against it, but have never taken any flu shots? It seems to be quite clear that you are against it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner 24597 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 6 hours ago, Mama Noodle said: I don't have a small pox scar. Nobody in our household has a scar. It was apparently some method of administering the vaccine in the dark ages that caused it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer 3703 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 16 hours ago, runamok27 said: Given that vaccines are never 100% effective and flu vaccines are around 50% effective I don't see how a vaccine will change much with regards to international travel. A return to normalcy is impossible with a 50% effective vaccine. While it's true that vaccines are never 100% effective, some are over 90% effective. For instance, two doses of MMR vaccine are about 97% effective at preventing measles and one dose is about 93% effective. Flu vaccines do not provide a good point of comparison - they are developed on a totally different basis to almost all other vaccines. Flu vaccines are not produced in reaction to a virus that is already circulating in the population, they are made in anticipation of what people think next year's most widespread strains of the virus are going to be. They are basically just a guess and the reason they are often less effective than hoped is because the epidemiologists guessed wrong and the strain(s) they thought would be prevalent, turned out not to be. The flu is also a highly mutagenic virus so that a previously-developed vaccine is not necessarily going to be effective against each year's new strains. So far, the SARS-Cov-2 virus is staying relatively stable with only minor mutations that would not affect the efficacy of a vaccine. It's early days yet, but most of the coronavirus candidate vaccine trials that have been completed so far showed that large percentages of the participants (100% in some cases) developed high levels of neutralizing antibodies. What is still not known of course, is just what level of antibodies is required to stave off infection. Hopefully the larger, phase 3 trials going on in countries where infection levels are still high, such as Brazil, South Africa and the US, will give us some answers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnysunshine 281 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 For you 51.6% who answered : "Yes, but only if it proven to be safe and effective" Who will you trust to determine that it is safe...some fake scientist? If your determination is incorrect, we may never see you again...I hope your life was wonderful! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer 3703 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 23 minutes ago, johnnysunshine said: For you 51.6% who answered : "Yes, but only if it proven to be safe and effective" Who will you trust to determine that it is safe...some fake scientist? If your determination is incorrect, we may never see you again...I hope your life was wonderful! What exactly is a "fake scientist" - can you provide any examples and if you can, can you also show that these fake scientists are currently involved in conducting coronavirus vaccine trials? In any event, the people I would trust to determine if a vaccine is safe are the same long-established regulatory authorities that have been doing this for decades and decades in the various countries, such as the MHRA in the UK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uli65 512 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 No vaccine for the last 30 years, still alive and more healthy than many of these vaccine junkies. I have my own strong immune system, I do not need Billy with his neuro toxins. Last but not least I am not scared this covid Mickey Mouse virus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
runamok27 302 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 11 hours ago, Jingthing said: I don't agree with you. Herd immunity gained from both the already infected and the vaccinated eventually means the pandemic phase of the virus is over and with that the extreme measures would be over as well. The virus stays with us but becomes normalized. This clip discusses the benefit of a vaccine with at least 50 percent effectiveness: Herd immunity is in question now. There have already been reports of a wide variety of reactions to getting the virus and losing the supposed immunity quite quickly. Herd immunity is not a done deal, it may be possible but then again maybe not. I think the best case scenario is that we get a vaccine that will give us flu numbers and I just don't think that will be enough to lower the paranoia running rampant across the globe right now. This virus is with us for the long haul and unfortunately for normalcy's sake, it is not viewed as just a flu by a huge number of people so to convince them of this will be next to impossible. I'm just hoping that the virus is indeed weakening like its being reported it is and/or herd immunity is possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 41489 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 27 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said: What exactly is a "fake scientist" - can you provide any examples and if you can, can you also show that these fake scientists are currently involved in conducting coronavirus vaccine trials? In any event, the people I would trust to determine if a vaccine is safe are the same long-established regulatory authorities that have been doing this for decades and decades in the various countries, such as the MHRA in the UK. Waiting a couple of years for more information and continued testing results. Waiting for the hysteria to die down by which time a vaccine may only be as necessary for those in high-risk groups anyway. The same long-established regulatory authorities that have been doing this for decades and decades in the various countries, such as the MHRA in the UK are under huge political and economic pressure to source, approve and distribute a vaccine - under such pressure I am somewhat cynical of results presented by any organisation or body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
runamok27 302 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 12 hours ago, Jingthing said: I don't agree with you. Herd immunity gained from both the already infected and the vaccinated eventually means the pandemic phase of the virus is over and with that the extreme measures would be over as well. The virus stays with us but becomes normalized. This clip discusses the benefit of a vaccine with at least 50 percent effectiveness: Find another video that explains the 50% effective vaccines better than this one. This one doesn't really discuss it at all. All that is on this video is that clown saying a 50% effective vaccine is better than what we have now. Well duh, no kidding but that proves absolutely nothing and doesn't show us any facts about what a 50% effective vaccine would do. There are plenty of them out there with good data, this one is junk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonymous 3951 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 4 hours ago, KohKood said: For any uneducated person, far away from reality, that laughed at me because I said that there are already programs that will make sure everyone on this <deleted> earth will get the COVID(CertificateOfVaccinationIdentificationDocument)-vaccine, I attached the picture. I would kindly request a reaction to that, that includes more than a „tinfoil-wearing conspiracy theorist“-comment And here you have a scientific study that proves than unvaccinated children are generally more healthy than vaccinated children: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2050312120925344 Illuminating and important info. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 41489 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, Antonymous said: Illuminating and important info. Thanks. I can foresee a situation whereby we need to show we have had a Covid-19 vaccine before we are permitted international travel. i.e. as with the Yellow Fever Vaccination. My Son would not be accepted at his school without the required vaccinations (we have to scan and e-mail the school his vaccination records). There has already been discussions of a Covid-19 passport. I agree with this in theory, in a perfect world. However, I remain highly sceptical of the safety of a vaccine rushed through invention, testing and production. Its difficult not to be cynical of this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner 24597 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Global IDs are coming regardless of covid. It's a simple necessity to get anything properly done on a global scale. That's not the problem - the problem is the privacy of the data that gets collected and connected to an ID. World is full of authoritarian a-holios that would love to track every movement and throw any "suspicious" dissidents to a CCP gulag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virt 2570 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 I wouldn't be surprised if a vaccine shot for covid 19 will be mandatory in the future for travellers entering Thailand until the virus is completely gone. So yeah i take a shot and then the nay sayers can stay at home Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A512 141 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 On 8/9/2020 at 8:06 AM, kno77 said: Yeah I'm gonna do it after Anutin. Apirat and Prayuth. Yeah chilling and have sure it is from the same batch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkered flag 1074 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 6 hours ago, elgenon said: There will be some kind of vaccine. The US government has ordered a bunch before the testing. But what type and how effective it/they will be is open to question. Also an antibody vaccine is close. Cheap and plentiful. How long it will last is unknown at the moment. Without getting too technical, the researchers are looking at T Cell (memory cell) response which is long term. T Cell lymphocytes are what provide lasting immunity. They produce antibodies that counter the virus. Injecting antibodies ( as a therapy) would be OK but not long lasting. That's why giving someone serum from a convalescent Covid19 patient works (short term). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkered flag 1074 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 7 hours ago, mtls2005 said: or at least until the next novel virus. H2N2, H1N1, we got a bit lucky, Covid-19 less so. Between a limited efficacy, multiple applications (two, annual booster) and cost, I think Herders, Hoaxers and Anti-Vaxxers will somewhat limit the effectiveness of a vacine in the U.S. I think most in US are smart enough to take the vaccine when offered. The hoaxers and anti-vaxxers are loud but small in numbers. Most will follow their doctor's advice and not that of the counterculture prophets of gloom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkered flag 1074 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 5 hours ago, jak2002003 said: Don't think he wants to cull people or have them die from diseases in order to reduce the population. The population can be decreased by using birth control. I also agree that their are too many of us humans...and we are putting a massive strain on the worlds resources and natural environment. If the population continues to increase this will just get worse and cause suffering to us humans. I believe in vaccines...so long as they are rigourously tested and also studies for their long term effects. So I would not get the vaccine straight awaym .but rather wait a few years to check it's safety. It will probably be required to travel and/or stay in Thailand. Then what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkered flag 1074 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 2 hours ago, uli65 said: No vaccine for the last 30 years, still alive and more healthy than many of these vaccine junkies. I have my own strong immune system, I do not need Billy with his neuro toxins. Last but not least I am not scared this covid Mickey Mouse virus. Probably a little scared of the needle though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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