Vaccine -- Will you take it or not?

[ChrisKC]

15 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

You do know what assuming makes out of you and me?

 

It's a trust issue. If it's a CCP vaccine, anything coming from there must be handled with extreme prejudice, absolute zero trust. If it's Oxford, first thing to check if any Chinese were involved. Even if it is a western product, it's a hastily gobbled together one. Let hapless guinea pigs take it first and only after a good body of research on them, perhaps consider taking it, unless the virus has already waved goodbye.

 

But hey, guinea pigs are welcome. We others will need them for tests.

You have only more cynicism to offer with some prejudice thrown in for good measure. I hold my position!

[DrTuner]

6 minutes ago, ChrisKC said:

You have only more cynicism to offer with some prejudice thrown in for good measure. I hold my position!

Remember to report back about the side effects. Much appreciated.

[runamok27]

Given that vaccines are never 100% effective and flu vaccines are around 50% effective I don't see how a vaccine will change much with regards to international travel. A return to normalcy is impossible with a 50% effective vaccine. The world population is well and truly terrified of this virus so I don't think a vaccine will do nearly as much as people think. People are putting way too much importance on a vaccine when, after a vaccine is available, as soon as the news reports of vaccinated people getting the virus and giving the virus to others, and it will, what then? This is not even throwing in a mutation to the virus that makes all of the current vaccines useless. 

[tingtongfarang]

I work the the medical industry (when i can travel to work) i'm suspect of all vaccines for the simple reason 5 times i have had the anti flu vaccine i came down just days after with very serious influenza which laid me out for a week or so.

[richard_smith237]

33 minutes ago, ChrisKC said:

Am i the first to say that I will take a vaccine?

 

Why cannot we presume proper science has been effected and proper trials shown that the vaccine is safe and will do its job?

 

Too many people on this forum are simply cynical; most of you have made a judgement about a vaccine that hasn't yet even been created. The question in the OP is about "what if"?

 

I would sincerely hope so, however, the politics makes the creation of a vaccine such a race I find it hard to believe that some shortcuts will not be taken. 

 

I haven’t made a judgement about a vaccine which has not been created, I’ve made a judgement about those who stand to profit from being the first to ‘create’ a vaccine, either politically or economically. 

 

 

 

 

[DrTuner]

4 minutes ago, tingtongfarang said:

I work the the medical industry (when i can travel to work) i'm suspect of all vaccines for the simple reason 5 times i have had the anti flu vaccine i came down just days after with very serious influenza which laid me out for a week or so.

Well AFAIK it is made out of viral material that causes your immune system to react and learn from it. Perhaps your system overreacts. I haven't taken any flu shots nor will I until I hit 100y. My system seems to be battling the usual suspects just fine.

[Antonymous]

28 minutes ago, runamok27 said:

Given that vaccines are never 100% effective and flu vaccines are around 50% effective I don't see how a vaccine will change much with regards to international travel. A return to normalcy is impossible with a 50% effective vaccine. The world population is well and truly terrified of this virus so I don't think a vaccine will do nearly as much as people think. People are putting way too much importance on a vaccine when, after a vaccine is available, as soon as the news reports of vaccinated people getting the virus and giving the virus to others, and it will, what then? This is not even throwing in a mutation to the virus that makes all of the current vaccines useless. 

 

I reckon most people will avoid international travel for quite a long time, vaccinated or not. That is a disaster for tourist industries. Hard to see how it will benefit anyone really. Oh wait...

 

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Edited August 9, 2020 by Scott

[runamok27]

4 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

There's no way of knowing if this is true yet. Nobody knows yet, what level of immune response is required to prevent infection with CoVid-19. Once phase 3 trials of various candidate vaccines have gathered enough data, we might have an answer to both what level of immunity is required and how effective each candidate vaccine is.

Neither of those questions will be answered after the phase 3 trials. In my opinion, under the current conditions phase 3 trials are nearly impossible. Even with a vaccine the test groups will be social distancing and wearing masks, not to mention, in a lot of the areas the vaccine will be tested some level of lock down will still be in effect. The numbers for the phase 3 trials will be completely bogus. I would be willing to hazard a guess that the people volunteering to be test subjects are also the people far more likely to social distance and wear masks and all of the other stuff to prevent infection, which would leave me to think that almost none of the test subjects will get infected. So they won't have nearly enough infected people to know the level of immunity required and the efficacy numbers will be grossly inflated because none of the test subjects will be behaving normally like we were a year ago. Those numbers will become known many years after the vaccine is released.

[tingtongfarang]

6 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Well AFAIK it is made out of viral material that causes your immune system to react and learn from it. Perhaps your system overreacts. I haven't taken any flu shots nor will I until I hit 100y. My system seems to be battling the usual suspects just fine.

Two of the nurses in the clinic also have the same reaction to the vaccine.

[runamok27]

4 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

You mention the vaccine will only be 50-60% effective.

Where does that come from?

Are you a doctor?

 

There's several hundred vaccines in tests, my guess (hope) is that many will be much effective at the 99% level.

Given normal efficacy numbers for a flu vaccine 50% to 60% would be normal. The 2019 flu vaccine was only 45% effective and that was an average between the different flu's it protected you from, so for some of the flu's in that vaccine it was less than 45% and some were greater. No I'm not a doctor but I can Google these numbers just as easily as any doctor.

 

99% is wishful thinking. The TB vaccine is only 70% to 80% effective and even the polio vaccine is only 90% effective after one shot. You can get the polio vaccine to 99% but it takes at least 3 shots. Just from the reading I have done, flu vaccines appear to have the lowest efficacy numbers of all vaccines.

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, ChrisKC said:

Am i the first to say that I will take a vaccine?

 

Why cannot we presume proper science has been effected and proper trials shown that the vaccine is safe and will do its job?

 

Too many people on this forum are simply cynical; most of you have made a judgement about a vaccine that hasn't yet even been created. The question in the OP is about "what if"?

I rarely catch disease, and when I do it's extremely minor.

I don't need vaccine, so I don't have them.

My decision doesn't affect you or your decision.

My body, my choice.

 

The flu I had in February was a strange an unusual event for me, but still minor.

Edited August 9, 2020 by BritManToo

[BTB1977]

How will you know it is safe. There won't be enough history of it's usage until years from now. Plus the corvid is an over exaggerated illness.  The more information that is coming out points to China and some socialist liberals causing panic.  

[herwin1234]

I only would take a vaccin if i had to travel to the usa. Luckely i dont have to. Glad to be in Thailand, dont need vaccin. But sure hope Thailand will be smart and ONLY let foreigners who are vaccinated into the country. 

[herwin1234]

8 minutes ago, BTB1977 said:

How will you know it is safe. There won't be enough history of it's usage until years from now. Plus the corvid is an over exaggerated illness.  The more information that is coming out points to China and some socialist liberals causing panic.  

So basically "covid" is safe (its all an exaggerated hoax) but a covid vaccine is totally dangerous. (big pharma and evil Bill Gates).

 

So what are you smoking? Pretty strongstuff i guess...

Edited August 9, 2020 by herwin1234

[2 is 1]

8 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

There were concerns raised in two countries (Sweden and Finland) about an increase in the incidence of narcolepsy (not sleep apnea) shortly after administration of the Pandemrix vaccine. However other countries reported an increase in narcolepsy cases before they started vaccinating, suggesting that it may have been the flu itself that caused the problem.

 

Fascinating article about it on the link below which basically says the jury is still out.

 

A stubborn medical mystery: Was pandemic flu vaccine tied to an increase in narcolepsy cases?

Yeah you right! But both coming from vaccine (also reported  sleep apnea)! In Finland and Sweden they give different vaccine to people than in other parth in europe! Yes and even in China is shown that people who get flue had narcolepsy more than normaly ! Whit vaccine every 1/10000 get that one (narcolepsy).So many different point of wiew but main is , sht coming from vaccine if not test enough!

Edited August 9, 2020 by 2 is 1

[CGW]

6 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

You do understand that chimpanzees are a different species to humans, so what infects them is less likely to infect us, don't you?

Really! you do understand we are human beings that have immune systems, don't you?

[3NUMBAS]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/virus-vaccine-december-best-case-114817530.html

 

The Health Secretary says he expects frontline health workers will be the first to benefit from any successful COVID-19 vaccine.

[3NUMBAS]

On what he predicts for the future for COVID-19

I'd be surprised if we're still wearing masks and 6-feet distancing in two or three years. I think the most likely outcome is that we'll eventually get to herd immunity. The best way to get to herd immunity is through a vaccine and some certain populations who have already been exposed or will be exposed.

And then the expectation I have is that this virus will actually become the next common cold coronavirus. What we don't know with these common cold coronaviruses is if they went through a similar transition period.

So, say something like OC43, which is a common cold coronavirus that was originally from cows. It's been historically reported that there was an outbreak associated with the transition of this virus from cows to humans that was very severe disease, and then after a few years, the virus became just the common cold. So in three to five years it may be that you're still getting COVID-19 in certain populations of people or every few years, but the expectation is hopefully that it'll just be a common cold and it's something that we can just each deal with and it won't lead to hospitalization and the shutting down of society.

 

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/09/900490301/covid-19-may-never-go-away-with-or-without-a-vaccine?t=1596994583405

[3NUMBAS]

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-further-boosts-uk-vaccine-manufacturing-capacity

 

Press release

Government further boosts UK vaccine manufacturing capacity

Pharmaceutical and biotech organisation Wockhardt will carry out the crucial 'fill and finish' stage of the vaccine manufacturing process.

[Jingthing]

4 hours ago, runamok27 said:

Given that vaccines are never 100% effective and flu vaccines are around 50% effective I don't see how a vaccine will change much with regards to international travel. A return to normalcy is impossible with a 50% effective vaccine. The world population is well and truly terrified of this virus so I don't think a vaccine will do nearly as much as people think. People are putting way too much importance on a vaccine when, after a vaccine is available, as soon as the news reports of vaccinated people getting the virus and giving the virus to others, and it will, what then? This is not even throwing in a mutation to the virus that makes all of the current vaccines useless. 

I don't agree with you. Herd immunity gained from both the already infected and the vaccinated eventually means the pandemic phase of the virus is over and with that the extreme measures would be over as well. The virus stays with us but becomes normalized. 

 

This clip discusses the benefit of a vaccine with at least 50 percent effectiveness:

 

 

 

 

Edited August 9, 2020 by Jingthing

[gearbox]

6 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

That's possible...but I'm retired in Thailand and there's nowhere I need to go.

If the vaccines are proven to work, I think it is likely that a vaccination certificate would be required for any new visas, renewals and extensions.

[Onrai]

18 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I don't believe in vaccination.

Refused my first vaccination (TB) aged 13, only had one since then.

Been everywhere in the world, caught nothing worth worrying about.

Hardly ever catch flu, but oddly my vaccinated friends seem to often catch it.

Have you ever wondered what that crater shaped scar on you arm is? That is from a small pox vaccine.

Never met anyone who didn’t have a small pox scar.

[Mama Noodle]

10 minutes ago, Onrai said:

Never met anyone who didn’t have a small pox scar.

 

I don't have a small pox scar. 

[LomSak27]

Just now, Mama Noodle said:

Just now, Onrai said:

Never met anyone who didn’t have a small pox scar.

 

I don't have a small pox scar. 

1958 - 59 ??

 

Varies by country, and this for western countries; if you were born in this year or after you have  a good chance of not having it as it stopped being mandatory in a number of western countries.

 

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flu vaccines are around 50% effective I don't see how a vaccine will change much with regards to international travel. A return to normalcy is impossible with a 50% effective vaccine

 

Flu vaccines are distinctly different than other vaccinations. As regards all the ear-blather about flu vaccines on this thread. It is a <deleted> shoot, and always has been with the flu. They identify what they think might be the most dangerous new strain of flu and make a vaccine based on it. Many times another strain, or mutation of flu turns out to be the one that rolls across the world in flu season and the vaccine is not effective. That is how human influenza viruses work. A doctor or health professional should have explained all this, pre vaccination. Yet posters seem oblivious; fascinating. Especially those who claim they work in the health field. ???? 

 

In the future if you want to travel, very likely will have to have a vaccination, a documented one. then have a preflight test and likely post flight. For all the people who claim they are not going to get a vaccination. That leaves them either stuck in Thailand, or out of Thailand, exactly where they are now. Better get used to it.  

[Mama Noodle]

8 minutes ago, LomSak27 said:

1958 - 59 ??

Way later. I’ve had more vaccinations than I care to remember, even got an anthrax one, malaria meds etc, but no smallpox scar. 

[Mama Noodle]

Vaccines can’t get here fast enough and I for one will be the first in line as long as it isn’t a chinese one. 

[LomSak27]

Just now, Mama Noodle said:

Way later. I’ve had more vaccinations than I care to remember, even got an anthrax one, malaria meds etc, but no smallpox scar. 

I just base it on personal, what would they say here, anecdotal family info. My sister was born in 56, she had the smallpox, required (or recommended). I was born in 59, not required for me. And that went for people I went to school with, we all did not have the smallpox. Conversely my sister friends from her same grade, all did.

[checkered flag]

11 hours ago, DrTuner said:

I don't really get why people are after Old Bill. He got pussy-whipped by Melissa, she's the mastermind behind the vaccine schemes. Look at her.

I think her name is Melinda, but I think her's his own man.

[checkered flag]

5 hours ago, gearbox said:

If the vaccines are proven to work, I think it is likely that a vaccination certificate would be required for any new visas, renewals and extensions.

I agree that it will likely be a requirement for extensions of all type and entrance into Thailand. Look at how efficiently they've done quarantine. Requiring vaccination will be easy.

If your against vaccination but want to stay in Thailand, you need to get over your fears.

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, Onrai said:

Have you ever wondered what that crater shaped scar on you arm is? That is from a small pox vaccine.

Never met anyone who didn’t have a small pox scar.

I don't have one.

Edited August 10, 2020 by BritManToo