Democrat Joe Biden chooses U.S. Senator Kamala Harris for White House running mate

[EVENKEEL]

2 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Less of the snide personal remarks. You well know anyone can post to any topic, no matter thier nationality. trump has failed with his social management policies, or rather lack of. IMO very timely to endeavour to find a more equitable path.

 

BTW you do understand, don't you, trump supporters are the minority in the USA?

Nothing snide about pointing out posters origin, I'm European with a yank passport. See, it doesn't hurt.

Folks from other countries have been jealous of the US for as long as I can remember.

[simple1]

Just now, EVENKEEL said:

Nothing snide about pointing out posters origin, I'm European with a yank passport. See, it doesn't hurt.

Folks from other countries have been jealous of the US for as long as I can remember.

I'm UK, NZ & Australian nationalities - never in my life been 'jealous' of the US, nor have I met anyone who has expressed that opinion. I have met socially a number and worked with Americans, mostly they are good people. But I have met some Americans who really should tone down their hubris. 

[simple1]

15 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Whoa hoss, all your opinion. Innut that right Mate.

No - read the Portland City Police 2020 budget

[luckyluke]

25 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Folks from other countries have been jealous of the US for as long as I can remember.

When I was young (about 60 years ago), we all wanted to be American. 

With the Vietnam war, it became  the most hated country. 

Can not say jealous or despise now. 

With Mr. Trump as president, well continously in the news, rarely in a positive way. 

Edited August 15, 2020 by luckyluke

[Eric Loh]

25 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Nothing snide about pointing out posters origin, I'm European with a yank passport. See, it doesn't hurt.

Folks from other countries have been jealous of the US for as long as I can remember.

Then there are more Americans who are fed up with Trump and denouncing their citizenships. 
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/09/us/us-citizenship-renounced-data-trnd/index.html

[Tie Dye Samurai]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't see as to how a person ( Harris ) could be the candidate for POTUS if they had been rejected in the primaries. If Biden is not the candidate then she is ( or should be ) NOT automatically the candidate, as her legitimacy, IMO, stems only from Biden.

However, in the real world, I'm guessing the DNC will pick whomever they think can defeat Trump.

I dont understand how this question is not aimed more at Trump....Biden was just riding his mountain bike the other day and looks to be in great shape...Trump rides in his golf cart and obviously wears a girdle (and probably spanks). Trump could be the poster child for hypertension and he looks old, tired, slurs his speech and wears more makeup than Kiss on their Love Gun Tour in 1977. 

[EVENKEEL]

2 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Why I was young (about 60 years ago), we all wanted to be American. 

With the Vietnam war, it became  the most hated country. 

Can not say jealous or despise now. 

With Mr. Trump as president, well continously in the news, rarely in a positive way. 

My father loved what America stood for, he gave up a good life in the old country to bring his family here.

But now it hurts to see it ripped apart by protesters and covid. So, here I am in Thailand swimming in the sea.

[Opl]

26 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

My father loved what America stood for, he gave up a good life in the old country to bring his family here.

But now it hurts to see it ripped apart by protesters and covid. So, here I am in Thailand swimming in the sea.

There is hope, you mentioned "old country" , so... 

“I understand people having to make themselves known and felt and seen,” she said in an apparent show of support. “And of course Black lives matter. Do we think our little white asses are the only ones that matter? No!”“First of all, I’m not a judgmental person. I do believe we all have a right to be exactly who we are, and it is not my place to judge. All these good Christian people that are supposed to be such good Christian people, the last thing we’re supposed to do is to judge one another. God is the judge, not us. I just try to be myself. I try to let everybody else be themselves.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-country/dolly-parton-black-lives-matter-1044200/

[EVENKEEL]

2 minutes ago, Opl said:

There is hope, you mentioned "old country" , so... 

“I understand people having to make themselves known and felt and seen,” she said in an apparent show of support. “And of course Black lives matter. Do we think our little white asses are the only ones that matter? No!”“First of all, I’m not a judgmental person. I do believe we all have a right to be exactly who we are, and it is not my place to judge. All these good Christian people that are supposed to be such good Christian people, the last thing we’re supposed to do is to judge one another. God is the judge, not us. I just try to be myself. I try to let everybody else be themselves.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-country/dolly-parton-black-lives-matter-1044200/

I'm so confused, please make it stop....

[Tippaporn]

No criticism of Kamala Harris allowed.

 

Washington Times - Democratic Party sets rules for criticizing Biden's VP pick Kamala Harris

 

"Media organizations have just been warned by the Democratic Party machine that they better be very, very careful with how they cover Joe Biden’s vice presidential choice — just revealed to be Kamala Harris. Any criticism of the expected woman will be considered racist and sexist, we are told. Oh, they wrap up that threat in a word salad, but that’s the bottom line: There should be second and even third thoughts about any criticism of Mr. Biden’s VP pick."

 

If that's all well and good then perhaps any criticism of Trump should be considered hate speech.  Makes sense, doesn't it?  And it should be prosecuted as such too, no?  LOL  Crazy Dems.

[Opl]

15 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I'm so confused, please make it stop....

"vote" for Harris, the Top Cop

Edited August 15, 2020 by Opl

[Nigel Garvie]

21 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

When I was young (about 60 years ago), we all wanted to be American. 

With the Vietnam war, it became  the most hated country. 

Can not say jealous or despise now. 

With Mr. Trump as president, well continously in the news, rarely in a positive way. 

When I was young (about 70 years ago!) the US and Americana were certainly very popular. There was a feeling of open mindedness, positivity, and un-stuffiness that we all admired. The music that came from the US at that time - early Rock and Roll, the great musicals, and Jazz,  has been a wonderful gift to the whole world. 

You are right, by the end of the 60s that all changed, Vietnam was a scar on the US, and the UK was making the best rock music in the world, which the hugely positive balance in music exports in our favour clearly confirms (From a popularity point at least).

 

But closer to topic,  I would say the overwhelming image that we get on the Kamala Harris issue, is the sad focus on prejudices rather than abilities. It is clear that she is Trump's worst nightmare.

She is a woman ................he is a misogynist

She is coloured..................he is a racist

She is highly intelligent..........he is rambling incoherently and floundering around like a dying fish on the beach. 

 

Trump appears to dislike, and indeed be afraid of, intelligent women that he can't control. He thinks that women should be obscene but not heard. Unfortunately for him, the world is changing, and he and his sort of dinosaur - the fat, old, corrupt, white, power obsessed males- are very slowly fading away. Neither they, nor the USA for that matter, will rule the world forever. 

[simple1]

8 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

No criticism of Kamala Harris allowed.

 

Washington Times - Democratic Party sets rules for criticizing Biden's VP pick Kamala Harris

 

"Media organizations have just been warned by the Democratic Party machine that they better be very, very careful with how they cover Joe Biden’s vice presidential choice — just revealed to be Kamala Harris. Any criticism of the expected woman will be considered racist and sexist, we are told. Oh, they wrap up that threat in a word salad, but that’s the bottom line: There should be second and even third thoughts about any criticism of Mr. Biden’s VP pick."

 

If that's all well and good then perhaps any criticism of Trump should be considered hate speech.  Makes sense, doesn't it?  And it should be prosecuted as such too, no?  LOL  Crazy Dems.

An opinion hit piece from a Fox commentator who once attempted to ban a publisher - what an outstanding supporter of "Free Speech". Among other not so wonderful activities, a racist who once said after Barack Obama and his family had moved into the White House,..

 

"we've got trash in the White House"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammy_Bruce

 

 

[Tippaporn]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

An opinion hit piece from a Fox commentator who once attempted to ban a publisher - what an outstanding supporter of "Free Speech". Among other not so wonderful activities, a racist who once said after Barack Obama and his family had moved into the White House,..

 

"we've got trash in the White House"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammy_Bruce

Yes, focus on the source and not the content.  LOL  Any other argument/perspective?

[simple1]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

Yes, focus on the source and not the content.  LOL  Any other argument/perspective?

Focus on the source and you understand the motivation for writing an opinion hit piece. You did note, didn't you, the author failed to quote the entire alleged memo and only quoted snippets, wonder why...

[Tippaporn]

4 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Focus on the source and you understand the motivation for writing an opinion hit piece. You did note, didn't you, the author failed to quote the entire alleged memo and only quoted snippets, wonder why...

LOL.  Look away folks, nothing to see here.  Just an opinion hit piece.  LOL  When inconvenient facts come out just bury your head in the sand.

[checkered flag]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

I'm UK, NZ & Australian nationalities - never in my life been 'jealous' of the US, nor have I met anyone who has expressed that opinion. I have met socially a number and worked with Americans, mostly they are good people. But I have met some Americans who really should tone down their hubris. 

You fooled me, alot. You spend a lot of time bashing American values and promoting those of your globelist friends. Get over it with Trump's America First agenda the US is no longer the world's piggy bank. If you aren't jealous why are you so interested in events in the US. Plenty to focus on your home in the UK.

[checkered flag]

3 hours ago, simple1 said:

Think you will find police who are to be laid off / not replaced will not be from front line duties. Funds will be reallocated to other departments so they can step up with handling matters such as homelessness, mentally ill, parking enforcement etc. Should crime increase you would be fairly certain there will be a realignment with policy / budgets. I suggest you can define the response to current situation a social experiment with attempting to deescalate tensions and social grievances. 

It doesn't work that way in America. The police are unionized and any reduction will be based on strict seniority. This means the most recently hired police will be let go first. Since both Seattle and Portland have actively recruited minorities they will be affected for sure. 

You seem to have zero knowledge of working in America and only get information through filtered sources.

You really sound like a shill for the undemocratic lawless mobs currently plaguing some democratic cities. 

[johnnybangkok]

58 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

No criticism of Kamala Harris allowed.

 

Washington Times - Democratic Party sets rules for criticizing Biden's VP pick Kamala Harris

 

"Media organizations have just been warned by the Democratic Party machine that they better be very, very careful with how they cover Joe Biden’s vice presidential choice — just revealed to be Kamala Harris. Any criticism of the expected woman will be considered racist and sexist, we are told. Oh, they wrap up that threat in a word salad, but that’s the bottom line: There should be second and even third thoughts about any criticism of Mr. Biden’s VP pick."

 

If that's all well and good then perhaps any criticism of Trump should be considered hate speech.  Makes sense, doesn't it?  And it should be prosecuted as such too, no?  LOL  Crazy Dems.

Pleeeeeese!! 

Written by Tammy Bruce, president of Independent Women’s Voice, author and Fox News contributor, is a radio talk-show host. 

It is obvious whatever Dem wrote this was just pointing out the VERY obvious fact that when reporting on Harris, reporters shouldn't be racist or sexist tones in the report. That's all this was but aal it takes is a Fox News contributor to twist it to 'don't criticise Harris'.

Nice try but no cigar. 

[johnnybangkok]

39 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

LOL.  Look away folks, nothing to see here.  Just an opinion hit piece.  LOL  When inconvenient facts come out just bury your head in the sand.

You demean your own standing by ignoring important points such as who wrote it and why is that person cherry picking the parts they want? It is important to know who is saying what and it's even more important to see the whole memo before understanding the whole context. From the VERY little that was quoted, it seems all the memo asks is to refrain from sexist and racist aspects when refering to Harris. Now I know this may seem like some sort of dictate for your average Trump fan but many would simply observe this as common decency which shouldn't have to be pointed out, but obviously in these times and under this presidency, obviously does.

Edited August 15, 2020 by johnnybangkok

[johnnybangkok]

29 minutes ago, checkered flag said:

You fooled me, alot. You spend a lot of time bashing American values and promoting those of your globelist friends. Get over it with Trump's America First agenda the US is no longer the world's piggy bank. If you aren't jealous why are you so interested in events in the US. Plenty to focus on your home in the UK.

Trumps values are not American values. If anything they are the reverse.

And 'globelist friends'? Really? And just exactly who might they be?

(Anyone want to take a bet he mentioned Soros?)

[rcummings]

46 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

LOL.  Look away folks, nothing to see here.  Just an opinion hit piece.  LOL  When inconvenient facts come out just bury your head in the sand.

Just maybe that memo is timely because Trump himself is now raising nonsensical issues about Harris the way he did about Obama.

[rcummings]

Obama Hurt By Trump’s Reuse of Birther Strategy: “I Thought It Was a Special Thing Between Him and Me”

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/obama-hurt-by-trumps-reuse-of-birther-strategy-i-thought-it-was-a-special-thing-between-him-and-me

[Phoenix Rising]

6 minutes ago, rcummings said:

Obama Hurt By Trump’s Reuse of Birther Strategy: “I Thought It Was a Special Thing Between Him and Me”

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/obama-hurt-by-trumps-reuse-of-birther-strategy-i-thought-it-was-a-special-thing-between-him-and-me

A great example of class dealing with no class.

[GroveHillWanderer]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

No criticism of Kamala Harris allowed.

 

Washington Times - Democratic Party sets rules for criticizing Biden's VP pick Kamala Harris

 

"Media organizations have just been warned by the Democratic Party machine that they better be very, very careful with how they cover Joe Biden’s vice presidential choice — just revealed to be Kamala Harris. Any criticism of the expected woman will be considered racist and sexist, we are told. Oh, they wrap up that threat in a word salad, but that’s the bottom line: There should be second and even third thoughts about any criticism of Mr. Biden’s VP pick."

 

If that's all well and good then perhaps any criticism of Trump should be considered hate speech.  Makes sense, doesn't it?  And it should be prosecuted as such too, no?  LOL  Crazy Dems.

That article contradicts itself within the first two paragraphs. It starts by saying that the "Democratic Party" was setting rules about criticising Harris but then let's slip that it was actually something put out by an "ad hoc group of Democratic operatives."

 

So in fact, the article itself makes it clear that it's not the actual Democratic Party doing this, just an unofficial grouping of some people who also happen to be Democrats.

[simple1]

1 hour ago, checkered flag said:

You fooled me, alot. You spend a lot of time bashing American values and promoting those of your globelist friends. Get over it with Trump's America First agenda the US is no longer the world's piggy bank. If you aren't jealous why are you so interested in events in the US. Plenty to focus on your home in the UK.

 

First of all I recommend you acquaint yourself with forum etiquette as to posting in any topic no matter one's nationality. Now I'll give you the courtesy of an answer in no particular order...

 

My posts show where I now live - Australia - not the UK. 

 

Since when has the US been the world's 'piggy bank' - all nations act in their self-interest one way or another. 

 

US politics are of interest as they affect world affairs and Australia's economy and military. By 'America's values' you must mean yours. The US values articulated in the Constitution for humanity and governance I support. For most of my working life I worked for MNCs who did very well for thier customers, shareholders and staff - nothing I am ashamed of. I do believe America First is a strategic error for the future well-being of the US by trump - you disagree - so be it.

Edited August 15, 2020 by simple1

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

Pleeeeeese!! 

Written by Tammy Bruce, president of Independent Women’s Voice, author and Fox News contributor, is a radio talk-show host. 

It is obvious whatever Dem wrote this was just pointing out the VERY obvious fact that when reporting on Harris, reporters shouldn't be racist or sexist tones in the report. That's all this was but aal it takes is a Fox News contributor to twist it to 'don't criticise Harris'.

Nice try but no cigar. 

 

58 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

You demean your own standing by ignoring important points such as who wrote it and why is that person cherry picking the parts they want? It is important to know who is saying what and it's even more important to see the whole memo before understanding the whole context. From the VERY little that was quoted, it seems all the memo asks is to refrain from sexist and racist aspects when refering to Harris. Now I know this may seem like some sort of dictate for your average Trump fan but many would simply observe this as common decency which shouldn't have to be pointed out, but obviously in these times and under this presidency, obviously does.

Here's the full letter.

 

We Have Her Back - Letter To The Media

 

The letter is from a link provided in this article:

 

Fox News - Group called 'We Have Her Back' warns media against 'sexist' or 'racist' coverage of Biden VP pick

 

Or if you prefer a liberal point of view:

 

Los Angeles Times - Why celebrities are declaring ‘We have her back’ about Kamala Harris

 

If you expect me to believe that this memo from an ad hoc organization which is promoted by the likes of Valerie Jarrett, Hillary Clinton and other political activists isn't going to attempt to muzzle valid criticism then you're mistaken.  On it's face it may seem noble, and if it truly was noble I would support it, but these days accusations of sexism and racism labels are thrown around liberally (pun intended) and unjustly all too often.  I made a comment earlier in one thread or another in which I called Harris out as a political opportunist.  Even though I consider many people, male and female, to be political opportunists I have no doubt that that would earn me the label of sexist by this group.  Unjustly so.

 

Sorry if I'm not as naive as you appear to be on this issue.

[simple1]

1 hour ago, checkered flag said:

It doesn't work that way in America. The police are unionized and any reduction will be based on strict seniority. This means the most recently hired police will be let go first. Since both Seattle and Portland have actively recruited minorities they will be affected for sure. 

You seem to have zero knowledge of working in America and only get information through filtered sources.

You really sound like a shill for the undemocratic lawless mobs currently plaguing some democratic cities. 

You are making claims that are not outlined in policy and budget for Portland Police. The info talks to certain departments being disbanded as non-core function to policing, except one whose members will be reassigned, not the entire police force. One would expect HR/union will work with them to be assigned with other departments / employers as is usual in these matters, unless they take retirement.

 

I have worked for a number of very large US multinational's; HR policy will reflect corporate culture and local laws.

 

Your personal attack has no grounds in reality - why do so many from the right of centre behave in this manner? Can you explain as you're obviously a practitioner of personal abuse - is it because we have different opinions - if so, childish is it not.

Edited August 15, 2020 by simple1

[stevenl]

5 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

 

Here's the full letter.

 

We Have Her Back - Letter To The Media

 

The letter is from a link provided in this article:

 

Fox News - Group called 'We Have Her Back' warns media against 'sexist' or 'racist' coverage of Biden VP pick

 

Or if you prefer a liberal point of view:

 

Los Angeles Times - Why celebrities are declaring ‘We have her back’ about Kamala Harris

 

If you expect me to believe that this memo from an ad hoc organization which is promoted by the likes of Valerie Jarrett, Hillary Clinton and other political activists isn't going to attempt to muzzle valid criticism then you're mistaken.  On it's face it may seem noble, and if it truly was noble I would support it, but these days accusations of sexism and racism labels are thrown around liberally (pun intended) and unjustly all too often.  I made a comment earlier in one thread or another in which I called Harris out as a political opportunist.  Even though I consider many people, male and female, to be political opportunists I have no doubt that that would earn me the label of sexist by this group.  Unjustly so.

 

Sorry if I'm not as naive as you appear to be on this issue.

Your opinion on others is clouding your judgement.

[Tippaporn]

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Your opinion on others is clouding your judgement.

That works both ways, doesn't it?