8 hours ago, Dene16 said:

I read only yesterday that Eu fleets catch 4 times the amount of fish in British waters than the UK

Many french fishermen catch 70 to 80% of their fish in British waters

Macron tried everything he could to make an example of the Uk for leaving the EU. A possible deal could of been made if it were not for him who attempted to thwart any type of deal. I hope he truly suffers for his obstinate stance

Fishing rights were SOLD by the UK, not STOLEN by the EU.

 

5 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

At least I live under a 21th century rock, unlike you, under your 19th century rock.

Time for a clean up.

Did you know you lost India? Did that news reach you under YOUR rock?

 

 

sums you up 

4 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

Fishing rights were SOLD by the UK, not STOLEN by the EU.

 

They were part of being member of the club, Now no longer a member of the club it returns to pre 1972

Edited September 2, 20205 yr by pixelaoffy

1 minute ago, pixelaoffy said:

They were part of being member of the club, Now no longer a member of the club it returns to pre 1972

English fishing rights owners have already sold over half their quota to various EU members. This mainly happened in the 90s when the prospects for fishing looked poor, so we sold out. The buyers were thinking long term (Something uncommon in the profit taking UK) and they were proved right. 

 

If we try to take back what we have sold, we will face massive legal action. Try telling the neighbour that you sold your field to that, "Things are returning to 1972" and he no longer owns the field. 

13 minutes ago, pixelaoffy said:

They were part of being member of the club, Now no longer a member of the club it returns to pre 1972

Does that apply to football transfers too ?

 

We (and that is only the nation state Belgium NL/FR/DE) demand in return for giving you back your fishy rights (...) the return and/or a reasonable wiedergutmachung for

 

• Philippe Albert – Newcastle United – 1994–99
• Toby Alderweireld – Southampton, Tottenham Hotspur – 2014–20
• Adrian Bakalli – Watford – 1999–2000
• Michy Batshuayi – Chelsea, Crystal Palace – 2016–20
• Christian Benteke – Aston Villa, Liverpool, Crystal Palace – 2012–20^{[b ZAI]}
• Jonathan Benteke – Crystal Palace – 2016–17
• Jonathan Blondel – Tottenham Hotspur – 2002–04
• Ruud Boffin – West Ham United – 2010–11
• Dedryck Boyata – Manchester City, Bolton Wanderers – 2009–12, 2013–15
• Nacer Chadli – Tottenham Hotspur, West Bromwich Albion – 2013–18^{[c MAR]}
• Philippe Clement – Coventry City – 1998–99
• Thibaut Courtois – Chelsea – 2014–18
• Gilles De Bilde – Sheffield Wednesday, Aston Villa – 1999–2001
• Kevin De Bruyne – Chelsea, Manchester City – 2013–14, 2015–20
• Steven Defour – Burnley – 2016–19
• Marc Degryse – Sheffield Wednesday – 1995–96
• Ritchie De Laet – Manchester United, Norwich City, Leicester City – 2008–10, 2011–12, 2014–16
• Mousa Dembélé – Fulham, Tottenham Hotspur – 2010–19
• Jason Denayer – Sunderland – 2016–17
• Leander Dendoncker – Wolverhampton Wanderers – 2018–20
• Laurent Depoitre – Huddersfield Town – 2017–19
• Steve De Ridder – Southampton – 2012–13
• Björn Engels – Aston Villa – 2019–20
• Marouane Fellaini – Everton, Manchester United – 2008–19
• Régis Genaux – Coventry City – 1996–97
• Eden Hazard – Chelsea – 2012–19
• Carl Hoefkens – West Bromwich Albion – 2008–09
• Adnan Januzaj – Manchester United, Sunderland – 2013–17
• Christian Kabasele – Watford – 2016–20^{[b ZAI]}
• Vincent Kompany – Manchester City – 2008–19
• Roland Lamah – Swansea City – 2012–14^{[b CIV]}
• Romelu Lukaku – Chelsea, West Bromwich Albion, Everton, Manchester United – 2011–19
• Dodi Lukebakio – Watford – 2017–18^{[c DRC]}
• Isaac Mbenza – Huddersfield Town – 2018–19^{[b FRA]}
• Simon Mignolet – Sunderland, Liverpool – 2010–18
• Kevin Mirallas – Everton – 2012–18
• Émile Mpenza – Manchester City – 2006–08
• Geoffrey Mujangi Bia – Wolverhampton Wanderers – 2009–11^{[b ZAI]}
• Charly Musonda – Chelsea – 2017–18
• Julien Ngoy – Stoke City – 2016–18
• Luc Nilis – Aston Villa – 2000–01
• Vadis Odjidja-Ofoe – Norwich City – 2015–16
• Denis Odoi – Fulham – 2018–19
• Divock Origi – Liverpool – 2015–20
• Obbi Oularé – Watford – 2015–16
• Sébastien Pocognoli – West Bromwich Albion – 2014–16
• Dennis Praet – Leicester City – 2019–20
• Cédric Roussel – Coventry City – 1999–2001
• Branko Strupar – Derby County – 1999–2002^{[b CRO-YUG]}
• Youri Tielemans – Leicester City – 2018–20
• Leandro Trossard – Brighton & Hove Albion – 2019–20
• Nico Vaesen – Birmingham City – 2002–03, 2005–06
• Daniel Van Buyten – Manchester City – 2003–04
• Jelle Van Damme – Southampton, Wolverhampton Wanderers – 2004–05, 2010–11
• Anthony Vanden Borre – Portsmouth – 2009–10^{[b ZAI]}
• Thomas Vermaelen – Arsenal – 2009–14
• Jan Vertonghen – Tottenham Hotspur – 2012–20

 

 

 

24 minutes ago, pixelaoffy said:

They were part of being member of the club, Now no longer a member of the club it returns to pre 1972

 

15 hours ago, Logosone said:

You can't demand on the one had that there be fully elected EU officials with political power and on the other that there be no United States of Europe. The MEPs have limited power because there is no United States of Europe, hence the real decisions are made by the Commission and governments. If there were a full United States of Europe perhaps MEPs would have more power.

 

Many EU laws benefit Britain. It was EU law that stopped the LSE being taken over by a German group. 

 

However I do agree that the wealth transfer is going too far and likewise I deeply object to German taxpayer money being squandered in Greece, Poland etc.

 

I don't think Italy can organise an Italexit, that's expecting a bit much. 

 

But yes, in terms of members paying for the C19 bailout fund, it's again criminal and reckless spending by the EU which is a real problem, as is immigration.

What's wrong with the UK Parliament making ALL the decisions for the UK? The nation state proved successful for centuries. Even if we had the United States of Europe you'd end up with MEP's from 28 countries squabbling about which member state (their own) gets the lions share of their own cash returned to them (once Brussels has taken Billions to fund the gravy train for EU staff/buildings/functions etc.)

 

As for Italexit, I wouldn't be so sure. Farage is getting heavily involved behind the scenes. You might laugh at that. They laughed at him when he said he'd get Britain out. Then post referendum he stood up in the European Parliament and declared "You're not laughing now, are you?".

An off-topic, troll post has been reported and removed.  Stay on topic and keep it civil.  

 

16 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Trump has also lots of experts working for him.

But both have the problem that they don't listen and/or don't care.

Hey, your Trump obsession is showing again and it is still irrelevant to a Brexit topic.

 

You are going to have to confess how you know the inner workings of Boris's cabinet, or I might have to decide that you are making it all up and don't actually know anything. Boris not listening or caring about what his experts say? I'm tending towards you actually knowing nowt. We have a whole cohort of Remainers here who are convinced that Boris is only the puppet of a Machiavellian Dominic Cummings. Do they know more about UK cabinet goings-on than you? Why not let us into some of the secrets of the Bundestag? 

12 hours ago, oldhippy said:

Fishing rights were SOLD by the UK, not STOLEN by the EU.

 

Who said they they were STOLEN by the EU?

Correct me if i.m wrong but weren't they given away/traded as part of the UK's entry to the the common market. Under the EU.s common fishery policy

well, were not in it now so were taking it back. As we should

My point was that the French fisherman have the most to lose and that they have their prime minister, Macron, to thank as he did everything he could to undermine a deal

 

I'm talking about when the UK were trying to negotiate a deal to stay within the EU

Edited September 3, 20205 yr by Dene16
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3 hours ago, Loiner said:

Hey, your Trump obsession is showing again and it is still irrelevant to a Brexit topic.

 

You are going to have to confess how you know the inner workings of Boris's cabinet, or I might have to decide that you are making it all up and don't actually know anything. Boris not listening or caring about what his experts say? I'm tending towards you actually knowing nowt. We have a whole cohort of Remainers here who are convinced that Boris is only the puppet of a Machiavellian Dominic Cummings. Do they know more about UK cabinet goings-on than you? Why not let us into some of the secrets of the Bundestag? 

What would be the point of explaining it to you? I am sure you will find something in The Sun which you like to believe.

The source said: “Barnier’s speech is a deliberate and misleading caricature of our proposals aimed at deflecting scrutiny from the EU’s own positions which are wholly unrealistic and unprecedented.

 

“For our part, we have been consistently clear that we are seeking a relationship that respects our sovereignty and which has a free trade agreement at its core, similar to those the EU has already agreed with like-minded countries.”

The exchange of insults left chances of a deal looking unlikely ahead of a make-or-break round of trade talks next week look in danger of failure.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1330554/brexit-news-michel-barnier-eu-trade-deal-no-deal-brexit-latest-boris-johnson-response

Boris said he had a ready made oven deal ready. 

What happened to that?

It seems he meant the withdrawal agreement which he signed but which he is now attempting to deviate from.

No wonder the EU are turning their backs on bothering to find a deal.

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

What would be the point of explaining it to you? I am sure you will find something in The Sun which you like to believe.

So you are arrogant enough to allude to me believing something in a newspaper that you consider inferior, but cannot back up your arrogance by actually explaining to little ole me the reason for all your privileged information. Perhaps I have to dig the dirt in der Bild?

You display the same European conceit that thought the Merkel/May pact was permanent and invincible. Well Boris has sorted that and there will be no more surrender to your EU demands. 

Der Spiegel

3 hours ago, Loiner said:

So you are arrogant enough to allude to me believing something in a newspaper that you consider inferior, but cannot back up your arrogance by actually explaining to little ole me the reason for all your privileged information. Perhaps I have to dig the dirt in der Bild?

You display the same European conceit that thought the Merkel/May pact was permanent and invincible. Well Boris has sorted that and there will be no more surrender to your EU demands. 

If you would be interested in accurate information then you would have seen that information already. It's out there on the internet. Just read! There is no point for me to repeat what is written when you don't want to read it.

And who cares what the stupid Bildzeitung reports? If you want accurate information try Der Spiegel. Or The Guardian - all in English.

Boris wanted to get elected and he was elected. Where did you get the impression that he is able or even interested to solve problems and improve life for all UK citizens? You can be sure Boris knows already who to blame. That is one of the few things he actually does constantly.

16 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

If you would be interested in accurate information then you would have seen that information already. It's out there on the internet. Just read! There is no point for me to repeat what is written when you don't want to read it.

And who cares what the stupid Bildzeitung reports? If you want accurate information try Der Spiegel. Or The Guardian - all in English.

Boris wanted to get elected and he was elected. Where did you get the impression that he is able or even interested to solve problems and improve life for all UK citizens? You can be sure Boris knows already who to blame. That is one of the few things he actually does constantly.

Ah so, all your detailed info about the inner workings of the UK cabinet comes from Der Spiegel. Well I don’t believe that and I know for sure it’s not from The Grauniad. You’re obviously arrogant and gullible. 

 

Boris was elected to get Brexit done. He’s solved the problem already and sorting the No Deal now. 

5 minutes ago, Loiner said:

He’s solved the problem already

That sums it up. Not what Boris did but your "understanding" of it.

 

You started with that German "newspaper" Bild for dummies. I just offered a better alternative to widen your knowledge.

9 hours ago, Dene16 said:

Who said they they were STOLEN by the EU?

Correct me if i.m wrong but weren't they given away/traded as part of the UK's entry to the the common market. Under the EU.s common fishery policy

well, were not in it now so were taking it back. As we should

My point was that the French fisherman have the most to lose and that they have their prime minister, Macron, to thank as he did everything he could to undermine a deal

 

I'm talking about when the UK were trying to negotiate a deal to stay within the EU

Fishing rights were SOLD - long after UK's entry.

It was a commercial transaction.

Here is what your own TV station says:

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/52420116

 

Oeps, I forgot... BBC is a krypto trotskyist organisation, that wants to destroy the UK in particular and humanity in general.

32 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

That sums it up. Not what Boris did but your "understanding" of it.

 

You started with that German "newspaper" Bild for dummies. I just offered a better alternative to widen your knowledge.

Boris got us out of the EU, as he was elected to do. I’ve no problem understanding that but you appear to. 

 

I didn’t ask you how to widen my knowledge and I doubt your preferred German paper could achieve that. It also still doesn’t explain your claimed in depth knowledge of the UK cabinet. 

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Ah so, all your detailed info about the inner workings of the UK cabinet comes from Der Spiegel. Well I don’t believe that and I know for sure it’s not from The Grauniad. You’re obviously arrogant and gullible. 

 

Boris was elected to get Brexit done. He’s solved the problem already and sorting the No Deal now. 

Where is his oven ready deal?

1 hour ago, oldhippy said:

Fishing rights were SOLD - long after UK's entry.

It was a commercial transaction.

Here is what your own TV station says:

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/52420116

 

Oeps, I forgot... BBC is a krypto trotskyist organisation, that wants to destroy the UK in particular and humanity in general.

And it says: The EU's Common Fisheries Policy (CFP) sets quotas among EU member states, and similar deals are negotiated with neighbouring countries.

 

Member states, of which we are not one.

34 minutes ago, bannork said:

Where is his oven ready deal?

The EU cooker is too full of other rubbish.

1 hour ago, oldhippy said:

Fishing rights were SOLD - long after UK's entry.

It was a commercial transaction.

Here is what your own TV station says:

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/52420116

 

Oeps, I forgot... BBC is a krypto trotskyist organisation, that wants to destroy the UK in particular and humanity in general.

Exactly. According to 100% British property law and thanks to  100% British institutional system (producer organisations). There was no obligation to sell them to foreigners according to EU laws, and some other countries chose a different system and did not sell their rights to foreign owners. The UK did it according to its usual free market/privatisation/financialisation economic policy orientation.

Quite interesting historical account here:

 

Privatising the seas: how the UK turned fishing rights into a commodity

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2019/03/07/fishing-brexit-uk-fleetwood/

 

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

And it says: The EU's Common Fisheries Policy (CFP) sets quotas among EU member states, and similar deals are negotiated with neighbouring countries.

 

Member states, of which we are not one.

True!

 

But next the member states freely sold some of ther fishing rights.

More project fear I guess.......all these industry chiefs getting together and worrying over nothing (again).....give it a rest! Gove has assured us there will be little or no disruption and the French will do everything in their power to ensure it all runs smoothly. Plus we have Boris (he is so funny....love his hair....and he has just had a baby)

30 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

More project fear I guess.......all these industry chiefs getting together and worrying over nothing (again).....give it a rest! Gove has assured us there will be little or no disruption and the French will do everything in their power to ensure it all runs smoothly. Plus we have Boris (he is so funny....love his hair....and he has just had a baby)

Focus man!

12 hours ago, oldhippy said:

True!

 

But next the member states freely sold some of ther fishing rights.

If other EU nations will hold so many of these rights after the end of the year, what's all the fuss about then?

17 minutes ago, nauseus said:

If other EU nations will hold so many of these rights after the end of the year, what's all the fuss about then?

So many? Does it matter how many? A (commercial) deal is a deal.

 

And you are lucky you did not sell out your fishing rights to ths Chinese...... I am sure they would protect their fishermen with aircraft carriers!

 

And since you obviously did not read the facts that I presented you in my BBC link, here is a screen shot:

 

England and Wales were daft enough to sell more then half their fishing rights - contrarily to the Scots. That explains something, does it not?

 

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, oldhippy said:

So many? Does it matter how many? A (commercial) deal is a deal.

 

And you are lucky you did not sell out your fishing rights to ths Chinese...... I am sure they would protect their fishermen with aircraft carriers!

 

And since you obviously did not read the facts that I presented you in my BBC link, here is a screen shot:

 

England and Wales were daft enough to sell more then half their fishing rights - contrarily to the Scots. That explains something, does it not?

 

 

 

 

 

Quotas are not rights. This seems to be an ongoing point of confusion.